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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13549 posts, RR: 62
Posted (10 years 4 weeks ago) and read 2508 times:
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Unbelievable.  Nuts

http://www.azcentral.com/families/articles/0727fetus-citizenship-ON.html

Pregnant woman wants re-entry to U.S., arguing fetus is citizen

Laura Wides
Associated Press
Jul. 27, 2004 01:20 PM


LOS ANGELES - A deported Mexican woman who is eight months pregnant is seeking to return to the United States to protect the unborn baby's health, arguing that under federal law the fetus is a viable human being and thus may be eligible for citizenship.





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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Key word: DEPORTED

Meaning that she herself is illegal.

to return to the United States to protect the unborn baby's health

Yeah....at taxpayer expense.

Keep this moocher out of the country at all costs.





User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Keep this moocher out of the country at all costs.

I agree. The father should be sent to Mexico to look after his kid.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Ok I agree this is some bullshit, but an interesting point nonetheless.


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

The father should be sent to Mexico to look after his kid

Assuming she knows who the father is.


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

I caught the flu here, does that mean they'll process my green card any faster?

User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

This is MattD's dream thread. I'll just sit back and watch him blast the illegal Immigrants back to where they are from.  Big grin

User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Come on guys, This unborn child could be the future President of the United States of America in 2044 and end up leading you all!

Can you picture it? "Yes, Mr. President Gonzalez"... I would laugh till the end of times!  Big thumbs up, the "Latino Revange"...



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Can you picture it? "Yes, Mr. President Gonzalez"... I would laugh till the end of times!

I won't be laughing... and there won't be a president Gonzales or Ricardo or Gomez for quite a while.



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Aracno,

I don't see why the idea of a latino US President (born in the US, of course) is comical to you. It seems like something that could happen.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12473 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2414 times:
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I don't see why the idea of a latino US President (born in the US, of course) is comical to you.

Just look at Vafi88's reply to see why it would be amusing! Big grin



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User currently offlineKC7MMI From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 854 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

We don't need another descendant of an illegal immigrant here...they're usually misfits. Send her and her unborn child back to Mexico!

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Come on guys, This unborn child could be the future President of the United States of America in 2044 and end up leading you all!

Or a future President of Mexico. Why deprive Mexico of such a child?

This law-breaking woman should not only be deported but also barred permanently from re-entry, even as a visitor. Illegal immigation is a crime.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

It is amazing that the attorney is claiming that she needs to be in the US because the baby is at risk:

Carrillo said Rubio, who was hospitalized with complications in her fifth month and has suffered severe stomach pains throughout her pregnancy, needs to be back in the United States because the baby is at risk.

As far as I know, we have very good hospitals in Mexico. The problem is that she would have to pay for them...

I can picture the future lawsuits in the US to get citizenship for babies:

I am a foreign national who conceived a baby on my honeymoon in Florida. Since it was conceived in the US, then you have to give him US citizenship...

Unfortunately, this is the reality of plenty of Mexicans who want to give birth in the USA. On our last flight from the USA to Mexico, my brother was talking to a pregnant girl who was deported because she was pregnant. When she got to immigration, she claimed to be a US citizen, but she only had a birth certificate. She claimed it was hers, but the immigration officer said that unless she had a drivers license, there is not way to prove it... She was angry but it was obvious that someone lent her the birth certificate. Obviously, AM had to pay for her flight and a penalty was imposed to AM.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

There is a certain twisted logic at work here. If as many people believe, an unborn foetus is a viable human being distinct from its mother, with rights that must be protected in law, this could be seen to imply that the foetus is in fact a citizen or whatever the latin legalese is for an individual with human rights, since human rights only accrue to a legally defined individual. If the foetus is a legally defined individual (let us use the term "citizen"), of which country is it a citizen, and to which country can it look for the protection of its rights ? Since it has not yet been born, it can't be it's country of birth. Is it a citizen of the country in which is was conceived ?

This raises interesting questions about the stage at which a foetus becomes biologically and legally distinct from its mother. If the foetus has rights, could the father of an unborn child insist that his unborn child not be taken out of the country, for instance, as is the case for children after they are born ?



User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

I totally agree with JGPH,

I think this could be a large loophole if the US decides to ban abortions by treating the foetus as a citizen (which in a sense is what they would have to do to make a legal arguement for banning abortions and what they already did with late term abortions). So this will bring up the question of when is the foetus considered an individual.

So I think she is 100% right by US law. If the foetus was past the legal stage of abortion then the child has essentially become a US citizen. I'm glad to see Mexicans understand US laws better than most US policy makers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

President Gonzalez 2056!!! I guess he would probably be a republican since they passed the bill that helped him become an American, so a good chance I wouldnt vote for him.



"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

MattD's racism again shows its ugly head in Reply #4.

"The father should be sent to Mexico to look after his kid."

Assuming she knows who the father is.

It seems that in Matt's eyes all Hispanic women are whores who sleep around with anyone and everyone and have one night stands left and right.

Matt any argument you've ever made that you aren't a racist has now been clearly destroyed as your own words betray you.

I agree that she should be sent back, but presuming that she's promiscuous simply because she's Mexican has crossed the line.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

"So I think she is 100% right by US law. If the foetus was past the legal stage of abortion then the child has essentially become a US citizen."

Interesting concept, but not necessarily true. For one the Courts can simply say that the protection of life concept in Roe v Wade is separate from citizenship rights, rights which only kick in upon birth, not conception.



User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13549 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2256 times:
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He's probably confusing them with the average american springbreaker college slut vacationing in CUN.

In all fairness, girls of ALL nationalities (yes, even Mexican) have been sluts when vacationing in CUN.




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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

EA CO AS -

That may be true but I never see MattD insinuating that all white american girls are sluts and might wonder who the father of their unborn children are.

Matt's a racist, pure and simple. If the A.net store sold a logo'd white hood, we know who would be first in line. The only question would be whether he'd buy it or secretly crave it but not be man enough to come out of the closet (so to speak) and admit that he's one of them.

-76M

[this is where KROC usually rushes to MattD's defense]


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5988 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

Someone made a very good point on this issue over at Democraticunderground - I'll repost it here:

14th Amendment to the Constitution: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..."

It means jack where the baby was concieved - it's where it's born that matters.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Re "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,..."

Since the foetus in question is "subject to the jurisdiction" of US laws re unborn protection etc, does this count ?


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5988 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Since the childs mother was born in Mexico (I assume she was), I don't see the point of your post, as the child haven't been born yet - and thus is not affected by the 14th ammendment.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

But the whole point of the argument is that since the law recognises the foetus as being biologically and legally distinct from the mother, in terms of protection from late-term abortion, should this distinction not be recognised by other laws ?

User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Funny how the neocons want to protect a fetus though that is just 1 second old...


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
25 JoseMEX : >In all fairness, girls of ALL nationalities (yes, even Mexican) have been sluts when vacationing in CUN
26 KROC : [this is where KROC usually rushes to MattD's defense] Check this - You can kiss my ass, because i do not run to defend Matt D at any time. Last time
27 EA CO AS : Just because she spread her legs in America with her feet pointed towards the sky does not mean that me or any other tax payer should have to foot the
28 CPH-R : JG, once again, look at the text - the baby is not yet born and it most certainly haven't been naturalized, ie. the 14th ammendment doesn't cover it.
29 777236ER : I love how foetuses are humans when the right-wing are against abortions, yet as soon as a Mexican claims exactly the same thing, she's told to fuck o
30 N6376m : Let's see: I write: [this is where KROC usually rushes to MattD's defense] KROC write: Check this - You can kiss my ass, because i do not run to defen
31 Goose : This law-breaking woman should not only be deported but also barred permanently from re-entry, even as a visitor. Illegal immigation is a crime. It is
32 N6376m : Goose, I don't believe that you are correct. A child born abroad to two US citizens may register for citizenship through some sort of consular action,
33 Post contains images EA CO AS : I love how foetuses are humans when the right-wing are against abortions, yet as soon as a Mexican claims exactly the same thing, she's told to fuck o
34 Goose : Goose, I don't believe that you are correct. A child born abroad to two US citizens may register for citizenship through some sort of consular action,
35 DLKAPA : Ok Matt, I'll bite. You seem like the kind of guy who is against abortion. Am I correct? And I would assume your reasoning behind this is that the Fet
36 EA CO AS : Ok Matt, I'll bite. You seem like the kind of guy who is against abortion. Am I correct? While I don't believe Matt needs defending, what led you to t
37 DLKAPA : Probably the thread after thread of him vehemently arguing against abortion.
38 North County : Since when does abortion and citizenship become intertwined? Citizenship = place of birth. (Except for those cases of those in the US military or both
39 B747-437B : This law-breaking woman should not only be deported but also barred permanently from re-entry, even as a visitor. This law-breaking woman WAS already
40 Smithfly114 : We need to put up a wall along the entire border and keep everyone and everything out...End of story
41 Dc10guy : Stupid Mexican ... Only white people are aloud in this great melting pot we call America .... Unless the lettuce and strawberries need picking of cour
42 Smithfly114 : DC10 I assume you mean only those who enter through LEGAL means.......
43 Dc10guy : Yes, Only white people with legal cash ...
44 North County : DC10guy, I welcome every legal immigrant from all over the globe. Legal immigration has made this county great. Future Legal immigration will build an
45 Post contains images EA CO AS : By the way, when did "legal immigrantion" become so politically incorrect? You mean you actually want to make them WAIT to legally enter the country?
46 Dc10guy : Legal immigration is another way of saying "we don't want you because your Mexican". Unless of course its time to pick the lettuce ....
47 Smithfly114 : Good lord, DC10 you have some seriously polarized views. I know personally about 10 Mexicans who have immigrated through LEGAL means and they don't pi
48 North County : Every country has is own immigration policy. Mexico has immigration policies, so they are telling us Americans of any color that we are not wanted unl
49 Post contains images B747-437B : Legal immigration is another way of saying "we don't want you because your Mexican". Yet a majority of legal immigrants are Mexicans.
50 Dc10guy : Sure there's lots of slave labor needed in landscaping, car washing etc. Too. I'm sorry if I seem one sided towards farming slaves. That just seems li
51 Smithfly114 : Its called "costs vs benefits" If the benefits outweigh the costs for the Mexicans to come over through legal means and work on farms in America then
52 KC7MMI : I'm sorry if I seem one sided towards farming slaves. That just seems like our biggest use of Mexicans. I wouldn't call them slaves. They're the peopl
53 B747forlife : Dc10guy, what you meant to say was that is our biggest use of illegal Mexicans. Which is true, they can't get a real job because, now read this slowly
54 Dc10guy : Right KC7MMI, they don't have to work ... There's lots of free food for them here if they don't work right ??? All they have to do is walk into any re
55 Matt D : this great melting pot we call America Therein lies the problem. fifty and a hundred years ago, America WAS a so-called melting pot. People who came o
56 Dc10guy : WOW MattD you are a bigot and a racist. No where in your rant did you ever mention the big America companies that pay illegal & legal Mexicans to pick
57 Matt D : Sheesh...put a sock in it would ya? You are right....shame on the Americans who encourage illegals by paying them so-called slave wages. But no one is
58 N6376m : Matt, Please share with all of us what exactly you did to be an American citizen? Of course you stand behind your racist remarks. Racism can only occu
59 Dc10guy : MattD, Your position as a Bigot is accepted. My position is that every human being has a right to work. And I have respect for the Mexicans especially
60 Matt D : Please share with all of us what exactly you did to be an American citizen? If you must know, 1) I was born here. Both of my parents are American Citi
61 Dc10guy : What A typical self centered "successful white man". One day you will learn how success is measured ... And here's a hint ... It ain't by what you own
62 MaverickM11 : "MattD, Your position as a Bigot is accepted. My position is that every human being has a right to work. And I have respect for the Mexicans especiall
63 Rindt : Whatever happened to working hard LEGALLY? The arguement here isn't about being against ALL Mexicans - the point is that if Mexicans wish to pick berr
64 DLKAPA : I think matt will learn what his success has brought him. For better or for worse. And it isn't mine, or anybody elses on this earth to judge where he
65 Post contains images JeffM : "Don't feed them, teach them to feed themselves..." Looks like you may have reached the expiration date on that Liberal Underdog card in your wallet.
66 B747-437B : I think we need to concentrate more on a permanent solution. Careful. You are beginning to sound a bit like Hitler now.
67 DLKAPA : I'm not talking about ethnic cleansing, dude. And right now it looks like nobody is working toward a permanent solution.
68 Aerobalance : Damn, does that mean that I have to go back?
69 DLKAPA : Goddamnit by find a permanent solution I DON'T MEAN STOPPING IMMIGRATION AND SENDING BACK THOSE WHO ARE HERE!!!! Aerobalance, you can stay. I think we
70 Post contains images JeffM : " I think we need to be more welcoming to those who are coming from hardship, just trying to make some money and have a good life." We already are, if
71 Post contains images Aerobalance : Damn, but I wanted too! You see I can be deported on MX's 752 out of TUS to MEX, write a trip report, have my gorgeous blonde-hair, blue eyed 26 yr. o
72 N6376m : Matt, You stated why you are an American not what you did to be an American. There are plenty of Americans who don't pay taxes, don't hold steady jobs
73 KROC : N6376m - Dude, get over it. You sit there and accuse me of lying in wait to defend Matt D, yet you hoover around just waiting to attack thim. Then you
74 N6376m : KROC - if it would make you feel better by calling me the "biggest dick rider" on this forum, then go ahead and do it. I certainly won't lose any slee
75 KROC : Where do oyu get the fact I am homophobic in all of this? Couldn't be father from the truth. Oh wait, now its clear. You are just scrapping for someth
76 N6376m : KROC - you use the threat of calling me the (in your words) the "biggest dick rider" on this forum - obviously that's supposed to be insulting and som
77 KROC : Dick rider is not a "threat". Stop fabricating things, and dick rider in the manner it is being used means that you follow around or jump on an indivi
78 N6376m : KROC, I have no need to fabricate anything, your own words betray you. You write in reply #73See, the next time I see you make a post where you agree
79 Airplay : It doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand that calling someone a "dick-rider" in any context is quite offensive and a poor example of behavior for
80 North County : N6376m writes "Your citizenship (like most people's) is a result of a passive act on your part - that is, your mommy gave birth to you here. As such,
81 EA CO AS : I think we need to focus on why they are coming here, and why America is the best country in the world From where I sit, the only "solutions" could be
82 North County : A note to Matt D - most legal immigrants to the US are sponsored. That is why a Polish immigrant would most likely live in a Polish neighborhood in Ch
83 N6376m : Northcountry writes - In order for political and economic freedom to survive you need the rule of law. Agreed. But wasn't our country founded on our v
84 KROC : -76m. Still grasping. Perfect. - Airplay. If you keep posting, I might consider hanging myself, but thats about all I can do for you.
85 North County : N6376m - please tell us what the immigration policies were of the Native Indian tribes? Just kidding. I think it is reasonable to look at the issue of
86 Ams : A child born abroad to two US citizens may register for citizenship through some sort of consular action, but a child born to parents of different nat
87 N6376m : NorthCountry - are you arguing (in good faith) that the US has abided by its treaty obligations to the Indians? Furthermore, why should we limit our a
88 North County : N6376m Subject is US imagration policy as it pertains to conceception and the issue of citizenship. I am not ignoring the Indian issue because it does
89 N6376m : NorthCountry - your argument (as stated in reply 80) is that "In order for political and economic freedom to survive you need the rule of law. So, ill
90 North County : N6376m, What was the accepted intentional law position concerning the settlement of colonies in the 1600's? What was the accepted intentional law posi
91 N6376m : What does international law have to do with this? I thought we were addressing the law of the host country/people w/r/t immigration. Are you sure you
92 North County : Well since the Indian nations did not have set borders or immigration policies then you would have to take it to the next level and that would be int
93 Airplay : But lets get back to the real topic: US immigration policy and the aliens that break the laws. How about: Americans exploiting foreign women for sex a
94 North County : Airplay: Are you talking about the bars in TJ or the story listed in the first post?
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