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Great NY Post Editorial--Re: Class Warfare  
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/editorial/25688.htm

In case you didn't get enough class war fare and War-on-Terror revisionism at the Democratic convention on opening night, last evening's bash-fest should have more than made up for it.

And if that didn't do the trick, just wait until vice-presidential hopeful John Edwards steps up to the mike tonight.
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This editorial is so correct. The Democrats thrive on a system of class warfare, and they've been doing it for the past thirty years. They want the conservative rich to be the most hated people in America. Why? Because they earn the most money and are successful...and that is supposed make them an object of scorn. Dems, and their tax structures, thrive on feelings of inferiority and jealousy.

Democrats divide the country. Republicans do not.

And by the way, hows this for an interesting fact:
The percentage of low-income Americans that pays no taxes increased during Bush's tax cuts from 6% to 11%.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

Re: Democrats divide the country. Republicans do not.

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepppppp.

That's the smoke alarm - wake up and smell the toast burning.

I don't know what America you live in, but the one I last spent time in was SERIOUSLY divided, to the point where it is now a bit scary even to visit, which is a real shame.

I'll accept that liberals tend to emphasize equality and the removal of wealth-based privlege, which can be rancorous and invidious. Conservatives emphasize self-improvment and tend in the main to wish to protect privilege as something that was hard-won, which can seem ungenerous and unfeeling.

Politics in the US has gone WAY beyond simple arguments about privilege versus entitlement, rights versus responsibilities. There are deep and hurtful moral and religious prejudices around basic social issues, fundamentalism present on both sides that cannot easily be bridged.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7811 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

If there was ever anything out there to convince me that the NY Post was nothing more than a glorified tabloid it would be this editorial. Nothing new, nothing insightful, just the same old drivel.


BUT... what the Democrats said was nothing more than their same old drivel as well. What ultimately turns me off to the current state of politics is that there is very little that is new and even less that REALLY differentiates the two parties. That is why I say "wake me up when its 2008."



I will tend to disagree to JGHP1A --- the remarkable thing about America, despite the obvious gap in income and wealth among us, is that we have very little class conscoiusness. Which is in part why I don't by the conversatives argument that the Democrats are trying to promote class warfare. If you were to poll Americans a super majority would describe themselves as middle-class. Absolutely bizarre in some regards, but it also serves a valuable societal function. Now what concerns me is what would happen is we as Americans developed a class-consciousness. In the best scenario there would be a lot of unhappy Americans, at the worst would be outright class warfare.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Re: I will tend to disagree to JGHP1A --- the remarkable thing about America, despite the obvious gap in income and wealth among us, is that we have very little class conscoiusness.

I won't argue with you - there is no class barrier or class-consciousness in the US based on birth, not any more, and there is none of the automatic deference and privilege that goes with that type of outmoded social hierarchy. But there is very very much indeed a class barrier and a class-consciousness based on wealth. Look at gated communities, private schools, members-only country clubs - its definitely there. The difference is that in America you can buy your way into a higher "social" stratum. Look at the classic GWB comment at the fund-raiser - "The Haves, and the Have-Mores". There is a "social elite" in the US - at least its members like to think so - but it exists only because it has lots and lots of money.


User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

it is an interesting trend that most of the right wing nuts tend to read tabloids and promote whatever populism is being said there. this posting is in line with various other postings from the neo koon club people where reference is made to the sun to "prove" why france is a dirty country


10=2
User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21525 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Jcs17: And by the way, hows this for an interesting fact:
The percentage of low-income Americans that pays no taxes increased during Bush's tax cuts from 6% to 11%.


Ecstasy!!! While the rich are getting their third yacht, the poor are getting a few bread crumbs as well! Wow!!  Wow!  Nuts


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

"I don't know what America you live in, but the one I last spent time in was SERIOUSLY divided, to the point where it is now a bit scary even to visit, which is a real shame. "

I disagree. I think the overall majority is pretty much in the same centrist clump that straddles the blue/red state divide. All that perceived division comes from the extremist wings of both parties. Overall both parties are pretty much the same with some minor exceptions, but face time has now been given predominantly to the Ted Kennedys and Howard Deans of the Democrats, and Rick Santorums and Dick Cheneys of the Republicans, giving the appearance of raging division. Nothing much has changed, just the party celebrities have gotten more extreme and louder.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

"Kennedy called the war in Iraq "misguided" — forgetting, perhaps, that the men he's backing, John Kerry and John Edwards, both voted for it."

I'm still wondering how the Dems plan to reconcile this fact.

"And he stressed the "fear of rising costs for health care and for college . . . of higher unemployment and lesser pay" — rhetoric undeniably meant to stoke class resentment.
"

Says Ted Kennedy who strongly supports an increase in minimum wage, which necessarily results in higher unemployment. How 'bout this, if the Dems get rid of Ted Kennedy (which they should) the Reps will give up their Ted Kennedy equivalent...sound like a deal? Anyone? Anyone?

[Edited 2004-07-28 17:54:31]


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13767 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1127 times:
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Jon Stewart was a guest on the Today show this morning and said it best:

"The Democrats and Republicans shrieking about the differences between their parties are no different than representatives from Pepsi and Coke arguing about their products in the battle for soft-drink supremacy."

There aren't just two camps - liberal vs conservative - out there. There are many varying degrees of ideology among the American voting populace, and a one-size-fits-all approach doesn't work.

I'll admit though that it's highly hypocritical and even insulting for the Democrats to call the Republicans "dividers" and then proceed to launch into class warfare rhetoric.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

All political parties cut up the electorate: the Dems do it on economic grounds; the Republicans do it on the social grounds of race, creed, class, gender, sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, reproductive rights. Sanctimonious preaching on taxes is the hallmark of Democrats; moralistic intrusion into one's personal life is how today's GOP divides the electorate.

The NY Compost being the tabloid it is, is so full of shit that you can't even wipe your ass with it.

"They want the conservative rich to be the most hated people in America. Why? Because they earn the most money and are successful...and that is supposed make them an object of scorn."

LOL. The last time I checked, the liberal rich had tons of moolah too.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1084 times:

I own two cars.

I know some people who have none.

So what? That's their problem.

I paid for mine by getting up at 0330 every day and going to work.



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