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Olympics 2008 For China?  
User currently offlineMarian Siegert From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 894 times:

Who should to your opinion be privileged to receive the great honor of hosting the 2008 Olympics ?

Do you agree with the host being China ?

What do you think about Olympics in general ?

What has mostly affected or impressed you whilst attending / watching / participating Olympics ?

For me, I can say, that I was greatly touched, when both North and South Korea walked proudly into the stadium, hand in hand .

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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 817 times:

I think that Beijing is very capable of hosting a successful Olympic games. This partly comes from the fact that the PRC has a very strong government (i.e. one that is in control and can do pretty outlandish things by western standards without much fear of real retribution by the people), and can pretty easily whip Beijing into shape for an even such as The Games. I was in Beijing during the 50th Anniversary of the Communist Republic in China, and I must say Beijing was not all that bad. For starters, the government banned ALL diesel trucks from the main roadways in Beijing, which alleviated traffic snarls and went a long way towards cleaning up the HORRIBLE air that they have in Beijing. The central part of the city, as well as many public buildings, were also beautified in some way to make everything look more elegant. There are also many things to do in and around the Beijing area, like the Forbidden City, Summer Palace, Tiananmen Square, Great Wall, etc. The airport also has a new terminal and there is plenty of space to grow.

However, even though when Beijing looked somewhat nice during the 50th anniversary celebrations, that still does not hide the fact that the rest of the city is pretty much a dump. Dirty buildings, empty lots, lots with demolished buildings, unclean/traffic clogged streets (with cars driving on them that have ZERO emissions standards; it is hell having to breathe the fumes during a traffic jam), horrible pollution, terrible overcrowding, even unsafe and shoddy construction of public buildings, the list goes on and on. My conclusion: Mainland China is a new and extremely interesting place to visit if you are the average Western tourist, and would probably appeal to many people if they experienced it during the Olympics. However, it was not in my view someplace that I would like to go back to visit very often, and may leave a bad taste in the mouths of many more visitors than some of the other contending cities would.

Therefore, If I had the choice, I would not hold the 2008 Olympics in Beijing. I am sure the government could and would make a spectacular effort and go a very long way towards making the city beautiful and as accomodating as possible, but I feel that Toronto, Paris, or Osaka venues for the Olympics would be much more successful. Personally, my vote would go to Toronto, with Paris a close second, only because I'd like the Olympics to change continents every time they are held.

On July 13, the IOC will select one city to host the 2008 Olympic Games, out of 5 candidates: Toronto, Paris, Beijing, Istanbul, and Osaka. The competition is fierce, as Beijing lost the 2000 Olympics by only one vote. It shall be interesting to see what happens...

Aaron G.


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 813 times:

Being a Toronto resident, I don't see why Toronto can't do a good job hosting the 2008 Olympics. With all the port lands available like Sydney had, the location can't be beat.
I don't know how China will fare in the end. Remember that Sydney and Atlanta were underdogs going into the final votings.
It also comes down to IOC presidential race as well. If Dick Pound wants the job badly enough and campaigns hard for it, Olympics will probably end up being hosted at anywhere but Toronto.
And US isn't too happy with the whole spy plane incident. They just might make some noise to symbolically slap China in the face- one of the possibilities being coming out and China isn't fit to host the Olympics.

IMO, China needs to fix other problems before worrying about Olympics. Sure, Olympics gives the country an excuse to dump some money to clean up the city, but you couldn't pay me to go there in hot-hazy summer.

BRING THE GAMES TO TORONTO!


User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 810 times:

I think Beijing is doing what it possibly can to get the Olympics. And if it fails, and I think it would, they'll just apply for the 2012 games, and it they don't get it, they'll apply for the 2016 games. This is one of the most distinctive characteristic of the Chinese people, they want FACE!!
I think Paris is the most capable city in handling the Olympics or any other large international sports carnival. With their experience, they can put together the Olympics blind-folded! But I agree with Trvlr that the Olympics should change continents every time. So I hope Osaka or Toronto gets it. But then, with the last four (and that is 16 years) Olympics been held in western countries, I think this time Osaka deserves it!

my two cents...
Jimmy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineOxygen From Hong Kong, joined Sep 1999, 674 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 802 times:

The best thing about Beijing for the 2008 olympic games is that the people there are VERY enthusiastic about it. A lot of people, including taxi divers, or even 70 yearold old ladies, are working very hard in studying english because of that.

One thing to point out, there are 7 years ahead of the games, and a LOT can be done in the period, considering the high speed that China has changed in the recent decade. One really cannot imagine how China has changed in the last 20 years. Great difference.

Most importantly, the government is very powerful too. They can easily ban all the undesirable pollution happening there, and I have heard that the city government is busy building 5-star public toilets for tourist (EXTREMELY luxurious, with reading rooms etc, but only for tourists)

Another good thing about that is that things are very cheap in China. Sometimes things are too cheap that you won't care even if you know that you're being cheated.

Well, we'll have to wait for the final results.


User currently offlineSunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 797 times:

I think that the 2008 olympics should go to Beijing.

China is fast becoming a very modern country, and certainly the Chinese I know are determined to make the 21st century the Chinese century.

Consider the Chinese performance in Sydney. They won many medals and really did well, which shows that they want to take the olympics very seriously.

And as trvlr said, when the Chinese want to make a big bang, they can do it, and very succesfully. The Chinese at my school are the hardest workers of all of us, they are very bright, very quick and soooooooo effecient.

Therfore, for a succesful olympics, 2008 should go to Beijing. Besides, Paris, Canada and Japan have had the olympics. It should go to a different country this time. And China has deserved it.

Regards - Tom  Smile


User currently offlineAgnusBymaster From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 785 times:

The Chinese government is still very oppressive, and there are still numerous cases of human rights violations coming of out of China. I am not particularily in favor of economic sanctions against China, but I do not think an event such as the Olympics should be held there. I think the Chinese push their athletes WAY too hard, and this should not be encouraged. Also, I really don't think the country deserves the income the Games will bring in until they improve their foreign relations with other countries, and make significant efforts to mprove the quality of life of the proletariat.

User currently offlineTransactoid From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 780 times:

Although I have a strong disdain for all the anti-Chinese sentiment that exists today, I do not think they are an appropriate venue, for the human rights issues noted.


But at the same time (man I'm a confusing person!), 7 years is a long time, and bringing them to the world's attention might pave the way for changes we all want to see.



User currently offlineTWA From Iran, joined Sep 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 775 times:

I totally oppose China having the 2008 Olympics!!!!! They dont know how to treat their own citizens and they are little pricks when it comes to Int'l Relations.

TWA


User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 783 times:

Sure, why not?


Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2594 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 771 times:

Remember though, Moscow hosted the 1980 Olympics, and we all know what a stellar human rights record the Soviet Union had. So there is a precedent for holding the Olympics in a totalitarian nation.

I agree that Beijing would pay ANY price for the prestige of having the Games in China. Would it be "rewarding" China for a dubious human rights record? Or would it accelerate China's fitful strides toward some type of democracy?


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 767 times:

Sure, anything can happen in 7 years, but the bottom line is that little can be done between now and July when the host for the games is chosen. I want to see Olympics go to a country with decent human rights record NOW, not 7 years later.

User currently offlineAerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 753 times:

Frankly, I would be very happy to see Toronto get the Olympics.
At least they don't kill people for organs in Canada!



Get your patchouli stink outta my store!
User currently offlineVirginLover From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 958 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 746 times:

No, only because US coverage of the olympics in Sydney SUCKED, partly because of the time difference, and China's quite a jump too.  Smile

User currently offlineSunAir From India, joined Jun 2009, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day ago) and read 740 times:

Spaceman

Why do you think the olympics is bullshit? I personally think it's the only event in the world that brings every nation together in a spirit of unity. Or you disagree?  Smile

VirginLover

The time difference sucked here as well, but put it this way, if the olympics went to Toronto, imagine how much the TV coverage would suck for the Chinese and the Australians?? Time...it rules the world! UGH!!!  Smile

Regards - Tom  Smile


User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 739 times:

Give the Olympics to Beijing! This wouldn't give them to toronto, and give Vancouver a better shot at the 2010 Winter Olympics.

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 14 hours ago) and read 733 times:

Um, stuff China!

Give them back to Sydney again!!

Cheers,

mb

(I think Toronto should be given the honor sooner or later, they have tried so many times..)



User currently offlineAduum From Australia, joined Sep 2000, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 13 hours ago) and read 730 times:

Yeah go back with SYDNEY....... by the way what did all of you international people think of the games down under?

I know that I heard the broadcaster in America stuffed up totally or something with a 24 hour time delay on some events. But besides this how were they?

I think that maybe beijing- thats if Sydney does not make a late application
hehehe


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2594 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 720 times:

It seems to me, I read that the fees given to the IOC for exclusive broadcast rights on a US TV network (NBC for the next few years), make up a significant portion of their "Olympic budget" (pun intended).

So the moral of this story is....money talks, bullshit walks. I'm not saying that's the right way, but that's the way it is right now.


User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (13 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 703 times:

NO OLYMPICS FOR CHINA UNTIL TIBET IS FREE!!

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