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Job Outsourcing: It Could Be Better...  
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1658 times:

Outsourcing Jobs Reaches New Heights

by Staff Reporter Melynda Jill

Washington DC - Congress today announced that the Office of President of the United States will be outsourced to overseas interests as of September 30th, the end of this fiscal year. The move is being made to save $400K a year in salary, a record $521 Billion in deficit expenditures and related overhead.

"The cost savings will be quite significant" says Congressman Adam Smith (D - Wash) who, with the aid of the GAO (the General Accounting Office) has studied outsourcing of American jobs extensively. "We simply can no longer
afford this level of outlay and remain competitive in the world stage," Congressman Smith said.

Mr. Bush was informed by email this morning of the termination of his position. He will receive health coverage, expenses and salary until his final day of employment. After that, with a two week waiting period, he will then be eligible for $240 dollars a week from unemployment insurance for 13 weeks. Unfortunately he will not be able to receive state Medicaid health insurance coverage as his unemployment benefits are over the required limit.

Preparations have been underway for some time for the job move. Sanji Gurvinder Singh of Indus Teleservices, Mumbai, India will be assuming the Office of President of the United States as of October 1. Mr. Singh was born in the United States while his parents were here on student visas, thus making him eligible for the position. He will receive a salary of $320 (USD) a month but with no health coverage or other benefits. Due to the time difference between the US and India, Mr. Singh will be working primarily at night, when offices of the US Government will be open.

"I am excited to serve in this position," Mr. Singh stated in an exclusive interview. "Working nights will let me keep my day job at the American
Express call center. I always knew I could be President someday."

Congress stressed patience when calling Mr. Singh as he may not be fully aware of all the issues involved with his new position. A Congressional
Spokesperson noted that Mr. Singh has been given a script tree to follow which will allow him to respond to most topics of concern. The Spokesperson further noted that "additional savings will be realized as these scripting tools have been successfully used by Mr. Bush and will enable Mr. Singh to provide an answer without having to fully understand the issue itself."

Mr. Bush has been offered the use of a Congressional Page to help him write a resume and prepare for his upcoming job transition. According to
Manpower, Inc., the placement firm, Mr. Bush may have difficulties in securing a new position as job prospects in the Sports Franchise
Ownership arena remain limited. A recently released report from the
Pentagon suggests a good prospect for him as a newly unemployed person may be in the Army National Guard. There he would be called up with his unit and stationed in Iraq, a country he has visited briefly before.

"I've been there, I know all about Iraq and the conditions there," stated Mr. Bush. He gained invaluable knowledge of the country in his first visit at the Baghdad Airport non-smoking terminal and gift shop.

Meanwhile in Baghdad and Falluja, Iraq, sources report that local Iraqis say Mr. Bush would receive an especially warm reception from them. Such sources stated the Iraqis only request would be to be informed of which convoy he would be riding in order to give him the welcome he deserves.

Congress continues to explore other outsourcing possibilities including that of Vice-president and most Cabinet positions.

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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1647 times:

While mildly entertaining, anyone who denies the benefits of outsourcing is a moron.

User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1646 times:

Funny stuff.

There was a similar piece about Congress getting the same treatment a few months back . . .




Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17508 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1643 times:

McKinsey just did a study that every dollar that America moves offshore produces $1.13 for the American economy. By contrast, every dollar that Germany moves offshore produces $0.20 for the German economy.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1643 times:

While mildly entertaining, anyone who denies the benefits of outsourcing is a moron.

Yes, getting rid of high-paying American jobs, shipping them overseas, and having said Americans then work for about 9 grand less a years is highly beneficial.

Who's the moron?

As for the story, I thought it was pretty cute.


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1640 times:

While mildly entertaining, anyone who denies the benefits of outsourcing is a moron.

Yes, getting rid of high-paying American jobs, shipping them overseas, and having said Americans then work for about 9 grand less a years is highly beneficial.

Who's the moron?

As for the story, I thought it was pretty cute


Protectionism never benefits an economy and in the long run is more detrimental then the short run negative effects. What is the difference between exporting a "job" and exporting "production" ? I understand the short-term hardships, but a macroeconomic analysis cannot factor short-term and short range effects for long term economy wide benefits.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1632 times:

Protectionism isn't trying to keep the best jobs here-that's just common sense. The only ones who benefit from outsourcing are shareholders, and the workers, as usual, get trampled on.

And I'm glad you understand the "short-term" hardships. Go tell that to a guy that worked for 25 years at the Timken company, in Canton, and his job, and 1300 more were shipped overseas. Tell him about how you sympathize with his "short-term" hardship of making a hell of a lot less money.

Again, I ask, who is the moron in this case? Look in the mirror, friend.


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1628 times:

The only ones who benefit from outsourcing are shareholders, and the workers, as usual, get trampled on.


So who has more rights? The shareholders or the workers?

[Edited 2004-08-02 19:35:59]

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17508 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

"And I'm glad you understand the "short-term" hardships. Go tell that to a guy that worked for 25 years at the Timken company, in Canton, and his job, and 1300 more were shipped overseas. "

Oh for god's sake, go tell the horse and buggy drivers your sob story when they were replaced by the automobile. Hold the hands of the families that lost their rail jobs when the airplane became popular. If we stopped innovation and technology because it might temporarily hurt a small minority, we would still be cavemen.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

McKinsey just did a study that every dollar that America moves offshore produces $1.13 for the American economy.
***

Yes that is true, but it takes the dollar from the American workers pocket, and gives it to the large American company that outsources the job in the first place. While I am far from a socialist, this is pretty much a rich get richer story and the poor get poorer. The job market statistics show that the wages for these people get lower and lower, while for obvious reasons the profit for the company gets higher.

If someone came to my business and told me that I could be way more profitable by cutting my wage bill in half, I could understand the appeal, it is obvious, but these are short terms gains that will leave a real nasty hangover.

If we stopped innovation and technology because it might temporarily hurt a small minority, we would still be cavemen.

How is taking jobs and the money used to pay for them and giving them to another countries economy smart for the country at large. The argument sometimes used is that it keeps products cheap, but I cannot recall the last time I saw a company announce that they could now afford to drop their prices because they outsource. Goods may remain cheap, but the people that buy them have less jobs and less money to pay for them.

A caveman has a better command of the english language than the current US President.

j

[Edited 2004-08-02 19:50:14]

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17508 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1610 times:

"Yes that is true, but it takes the dollar from the American workers pocket, and gives it to the large American company that outsources the job in the first place. While I am far from a socialist, this is pretty much a rich get richer story and the poor get poorer"

Where do you think that dollar @ "the large American company"? Do you think it just disappears?

It is the rich (Americans) getting richer, but the poor (India, for ex.) are getting richer as well. It truly benefits just about everyone. And just imagine if India had the ability to consume incrementally more American products...



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

If someone came to my business and told me that I could be way more profitable by cutting my wage bill in half, I could understand the appeal, it is obvious, but these are short terms gains that will leave a real nasty hangover.

Wrong... any economics student will tell you that. Jobs are only outsourced to labor-abundant areas... where these countries have a comparative advantage. The United States retains jobs in capital-intensive industries and imports them. Both processes raise real wages in both economies.



User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Another interesting stat is the illegal Mexican worker in Texas. They come into the US to earn money (power to them), and then every day there is a line up of them at the post office sending the money down to their families in Mexico. Again, this money is leaving the US economy.

User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

It might leave it US economy but it sure as hell doesn't stay in Mexico.

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

So who has more rights? The shareholders or the workers?

The workers, seems to me. They're the ones that bust their ass so some shareholder can make a little money-off their labor. But I can see where you say the shareholder, because that's the GOP way-as long as the bottom line is good, screw the workers. After all, one of Bush's own economic advisors said that throwing well-paying American jobs overseas is a good thing, so it must be true.

Oh for god's sake, go tell the horse and buggy drivers your sob story when they were replaced by the automobile.

This isn't about a technological advancement, Maverick. It's about taking a higher paying American job, and sending it overseas for a hell of a lot less. That's what it's about. But I'm not surprised you don't see that.

It is the rich (Americans) getting richer, but the poor (India, for ex.) are getting richer as well. It truly benefits just about everyone.

Except, of course, for your fellow American, who got a LOT poorer, because his job was sent overseas to someone else, and now his standard of living has gone way down. I didn't know the American government had a pact to improve the economic well-being of foreigners over that of Americans.

Oh, I forgot, the rich got richer, and that's all that matters, right?

Wrong... any economics student will tell you that. Jobs are only outsourced to labor-abundant areas...

Well, there are tons of labor-abundant areas in Northeast Ohio, thanks to this great thing called outsourcing. There's thousands of read-and-willing laborers, ready to do an honest days work. But wait, they HAD decent jobs, and did honest days work BEFORE their jobs were sent overseas!

What you said was an outright lie. It has nothing to do with "abundant labor". It has to do with CHEAP labor, at the expense of experienced, hard-working Americans, whom you don't seem to give a shit about.

Again, the economic policy of our right-wing friends seems to be that if it makes rich Americans even wealthier, it's a great thing, and fuck those peons who complain because their jobs are given away overseas.


User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5517 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

I can't believe people are actually saying this is a good thing and is beneficial! Alpha's right, tell it to the radiologist who spent thousands in school/med. school and countless years of study to only have his reward reaped from him and sent overseas. Gimme a break.

User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

Yeah great idea Alpha, lets protect every domestic job. That saves us today but in a few years businesses here will start shutting down completely because they cannont compete in the global marketplace. Then nobody has a job, wow, great idea.

Sorry to those who have been outsourced, your job loss was necessary for the common good, I guess you should have gone to school and gained a few skills so you could do something other than assembly line or call center work.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

Yeah great idea Alpha, lets protect every domestic job. That saves us today but in a few years businesses here will start shutting down completely because they cannont compete in the global marketplace.

Why? Because said companines won't train their workers? Said companies won't update equipment and the ways they do business? American workers have competed for 140 years in the industrial age, and most of that time, it's because they stayed on the cutting edge. But instead of doing that, we get rid of our workers, give the jobs overseas, let those workers become better at it than ours, and in the long run, all these companies you applaud for shitting on American workers will indeed go under, because all the good jobs will be gone from the U.S, and those workers they outsourced to, will then be working for someone else for a higher wage.

What goes around, comes around, and this sanctioned policy of outsourcing, which the Bush Administration thinks is such a great thing, will make the U.S. a poorer nation in the long run economically, not stronger.

To think otherwise is simply moronic.


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Go read an economics book Alpha.

User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5517 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

"Sorry to those who have been outsourced, your job loss was necessary for the common good, I guess you should have gone to school and gained a few skills so you could do something other than assembly line or call center work. "

You're aware that there are other jobs being outsourced, right? It's not just assembly lines and call centers that are outsourcing. When some of these people started doing this work 20+ years ago, they had no idea in the future some guy halfway across the world would be doing it for cheaper, you can't blame it on them...


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

Go stand in an unemployment line, JAL777. That's the real world, not some economic manual.

Moronic.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17508 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1547 times:

"Go stand in an unemployment line, "

With your thinking Alpha, that line will become twice as long, as is the case with France or Germany, where almost a quarter of their 25 year olds are unemployed.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17508 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Outsource, outsource, outsource some more...

http://www.freetrade.org/pubs/articles/dg-05-03-04.html



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Go stand in an unemployment line, JAL777. That's the real world, not some economic manual.

With your economic insights, we'll both be standing there.


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

Maverick,

Please don't present us any hard facts. There' not called for. Especially for the likes of Alpha1 et al.


25 Post contains links MaverickM11 : Just one more JAL777: http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=13522307 And if the exception proves the rule: http://www.nojobsforindia.com/ViewStory.
26 Dvk : Economic progress should be balanced with a degree of compassion and humanity, which is sorely lacking in most corporate hierarchies today. It's not a
27 Captoveur : Alpha, in Economics they have this thing they call "Comparative Advantage" This is why you cannot protect industries and survive in the global marketp
28 JAL777 : No corporation that chooses to outsource jobs overseas should be allowed to use legal loopholes to get tax BREAKS for eliminating US jobs. Ding ding
29 Alpha 1 : Ah, the CATO Institute. Another right-wing ass-kissing organization, that already believes outsourcing good American jobs overseas is a good thing. Re
30 Dan2002 : "And I'm glad you understand the "short-term" hardships. Go tell that to a guy that worked for 25 years at the Timken company, in Canton, and his job,
31 JAL777 : Finally, what happens when ALL the good American jobs are gone, due to outsourcing, and most, if not all our workers, are foreced to take lower paying
32 MaverickM11 : "Ah, the CATO Institute. Another right-wing ass-kissing organization, that already believes outsourcing good American jobs overseas is a good thing. R
33 Prebennorholm : As a long time employee in one of the world's largest international corporations I can tell you exactly what "outsourcing to cut wage countries" means
34 Post contains links B2707SST : This isn't about a technological advancement, Maverick. It's about taking a higher paying American job, and sending it overseas for a hell of a lot le
35 EA CO AS : Why? Because said companines won't train their workers? Why should a company train their workers to do jobs other than what they were hired to do? I'm
36 FDXmech : Alpha, I'll chip in a couple of bucks for your new toupe. For you must've pulled out most of your hair by now. This must be some sort of mass hypnosis
37 Matt D : Alpha1: If I could only put you on my Respected list twice..... You said it all... and so well.. Thank you.
38 Cptkrell : This is not pro-outsourcing, but a fact. Companies are in business to make money for their owners (or stockholders, if publicly held). They are not ph
39 MaverickM11 : "This must be some sort of mass hypnosis to have people believe the loss of good paying jobs, destruction of our industrial base, the squeezing of the
40 Post contains links MaverickM11 : "10 Truths About Trade Hard facts about offshoring, imports, and jobs. " http://www.reason.com/0407/fe.bl.truths.shtml ...unfortunately facts and real
41 FDXmech : >>>This is not pro-outsourcing, but a fact. Companies are in business to make money for their owners (or stockholders, if publicly held). They are not
42 MaverickM11 : "On the other hand, the US government is in business (pardon the pun) to ensure the viability of the nation - " And they are--well they were. More eff
43 Boeing7E7 : The baby boomers are retiring in droves. Outsourcing is not a bad thing. We're approaching a break point in the next 5-7 years where unemployment will
44 MaverickM11 : "The baby boomers are retiring in droves. Outsourcing is not a bad thing. We're approaching a break point in the next 5-7 years where unemployment wil
45 L-188 : The sad part is that if Kerry gets elected he is going to outsource the sovergnty of the US to the United Nations. That is completely unacceptable.
46 Matt D : The sad part is that if Kerry gets elected he is going to outsource the sovergnty of the US to the United Nations. Hell that shouldn't come as any sur
47 Cptkrell : To FDXmech and others who may have issue with my statement: "....Companies are in business to make money..." (my Rep38) I can only suggest you folks f
48 Alpha 1 : The sad part is that if Kerry gets elected he is going to outsource the sovergnty of the US to the United Nations. That is completely unacceptable. An
49 Yyz717 : Protectionism isn't trying to keep the best jobs here-that's just common sense. The only ones who benefit from outsourcing are shareholders, and the w
50 Alpha 1 : Given that most shareholders are average middle class Americans, then that means that outsourcing works for everyone. Most shareholders that make any
51 Yyz717 : And tell the steel worker at Timkin in Canton that "outsourcing works for everyone", when his well-paying job that he/she worked at for years, up and
52 Alpha 1 : Well life is tough. So what? Are you that moronic, or did you have to work at it, Yyz717? Life is tough, too bad, eh? Another trait of "compassionate
53 Yyz717 : When you have to go through something like that, we'll just say "tough shit, son, that's life." Shows the utter lack of humanity in someone like you.
54 Alpha 1 : Don't talk to me about humanity until you do some volunteer work in CLE's poor black slums, away from your lilly white suburb. Shows what you know. T
55 Captoveur : If anyone is throwing a temper tantrum here Alpha1 it is you.. You really need to wake up and smell what you are shoveling. There are plenty of people
56 MaverickM11 : "Guys like you just don't get it: we're outsourcing good, well-paying jobs, and what's replacing them are jobs that pay peanuts in comparison, with fe
57 FDXmech : >>>It's guys like you that don't get it. US co's that outsource see a massive increase in profit that enables further investments in the US in product
58 Air2gxs : I don't understand why the Liberals hate out-sourcing. Doesn't it bring the world closer to their socialist dream of everyone being "equal"? American
59 Donder10 : B2707SST raises an excellent point:many of these jobs being outsourced would be replaced by machinery anyway. And another little fact:foreigners outso
60 Post contains images EA CO AS : Are you that moronic, or did you have to work at it, Yyz717? Life is tough, too bad, eh? Another trait of "compassionate conservatism". When you have
61 Boeing7E7 : And you actually BELIEVE that, L-188? I don't know of any U.S. President that EVER did that, and yet you have the nerve to even say that? If he gets e
62 B2707SST : Statistics show that income per hour worked in the US are still rising so all this talk of well-paying jobs being outsourced is bull The facts show th
63 LHMark : Well, since there's no security anymore, since there's no way to perform well enough at a job that you're exempt from the culling, there's only one op
64 FDXmech : >>>I don't understand why the Liberals hate out-sourcing. Doesn't it bring the world closer to their socialist dream of everyone being "equal"?
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