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What Are President Bush's Accomplishments?  
User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Can anyone please tell me, in list form preferably, what President Bush has accomplished during his first term that has had a positive effect on America? Please don't confuse this thread with a Bush vs. Kerry debate as that is not the intent here. I am not a Bush hater nor am I a Kerry lover. Pretend this isn't an election year and just document what positive things President Bush has accomplished since taking office. The reason I ask is because I can only come up with things that he has done that have had a negative effect on us. Those being:

1- record high annual deficit
2- record high gas prices
3- we're in a war that has cost us nearly 1000 American lives thus far
4- the economy is near depression standards
5- we're seeing more and more domestic jobs outsourced to foreign countries
6- we've alienated ourselves from countries who were once our allies
7- health care costs for veterans has increased
8- he plans to curtail COPS funding which will cost close to 90,000 police
officers their jobs
9- not only was he was in office when the country's deadliest act of domestic
terrorism occurred but, as we approach the 3rd anniversary of that event,
he has failed to bring the mastermind of the murder of 3000 people on
American soil to justice

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User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

I think, objectively, that putting number 9 on the list is quite unfair. Sure, it happened on his watch but it wasn't anything that any sane person could have forseen. The economic "tanking" that occurred in the aftermath of 9/11 would have happened no matter who was the President at the time. Would Clinton, Bush I or Reagan done any better? Not that I'm defending Bush but I highly doubt that ANY President would have done any better or worse given the same set of circumstances. Just my two cents worth.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

I think, objectively, that putting number 9 on the list is quite unfair. Sure, it happened on his watch but it wasn't anything that any sane person could have forseen. The economic "tanking" that occurred in the aftermath of 9/11 would have happened no matter who was the President at the time. Would Clinton, Bush I or Reagan done any better? Not that I'm defending Bush but I highly doubt that ANY President would have done any better or worse given the same set of circumstances. Just my two cents worth.

Two very valid points. Although, I think it was President Harry S. Truman who coined the phrase, "The buck stops here", indicating that the sitting President must take responsibility for what happens on his watch. That being said, I agree that, in all fairness, item 9 should be deleted. However, I don't think the on-going instability of our nations economy can continue to be attributed to what happened almost 3 years ago. There comes a point in time when the current president must take responsibility for the state of our economy and I think that time is upon us now.

P.S. Loved the "nice hair" comment.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

1- record high annual deficit

Nyet. You forget about inflation. The deficit is at 4% of GDP. During the 80's, it was up to 6% or more. France and Germany are also at 4%. It is not unusual to run up a deficit when trying to dig your way out of a recession, in fact it has proven to be the best thing to do.

2- record high gas prices

Again, you are forgetting inflation. Gas prices are not as high as they were in the early 1980s.

3- we're in a war that has cost us nearly 1000 American lives thus far

FDR got the U.S. in a war that cost hundreds of times more American lives. Does that automatically make him a bad guy? If Iraq does not turn into a more-or-less stable democracy over the next 10 years, THEN you can critisize him for it. If what he did works over the long term, he will be a hero.

4- the economy is near depression standards

The economy is growing at a rate unheard of in 20 years, and unemployment is at levels which many modern nations could only dream about. Some depression...

5- we're seeing more and more domestic jobs outsourced to foreign countries

And other nations are outsourcing more and more to America. BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, all have transfered design and production to the U.S., even for export back to their home markets. It's called free trade, and it works both ways.

6- we've alienated ourselves from countries who were once our allies

France has only been an ally of the U.S. when it suited them. That's been the case for a very long time. Jacques Chirac has said for over 20 years that it is not in France's interest to have a powerful or influential U.S.A.

In any case, To have allies, one must have an enemy. During the cold war, many countries were U.S. allies even though they might not have liked each other. During WWII, The U.S. was allied with Stalin. When the enemy changes or is removed from the field, you can expect your old alliances to be reshuffled or even eliminated.

Remember what the purpose of the U.S. government is - to advance the interests of the U.S. If those interests coincide with those of other countries, fine. Otherwise, each pursues their own.

7- health care costs for veterans has increased

So has health care costs for everyone. One of those directly to blame is John Edwards and his baseless medical lawsuits. Have costs increased for veterans faster than for anyone else?

8- he plans to curtail COPS funding which will cost close to 90,000 police
officers their jobs


I haven't heard about that. Source?

9- not only was he was in office when the country's deadliest act of domestic
terrorism occurred but, as we approach the 3rd anniversary of that event,
he has failed to bring the mastermind of the murder of 3000 people on
American soil to justice

Others have already answered that one. The 9/11 attacks were in the planning already during Clinton's administration, and prior to 9/11, Bush was mainly oriented on domestic issues, so I find it hard to pin that on him.

Charles


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

RE: 6- we've alienated ourselves from countries who were once our allies

France has only been an ally of the U.S. when it suited them. That's been the case for a very long time. Jacques Chirac has said for over 20 years that it is not in France's interest to have a powerful or influential U.S.A.


It's not only France that has been alienated (in fact, you're right, France was never a particularly close US ally) - it is the PEOPLE of close allies like the UK, Spain, Italy, Japan, Korea, Australia etc etc who have been alienated - the governments may have joined the Coalition of the Slightly Sceptical, but the people certainly weren't in favour of it (how many millions of people, yes millions, demonstrated against the Iraq War ?). To have squandered entirely the limitless sympathy and goodwill that was held by almost everyone in the world for the USA in the post-9/11 period, has been GWB's biggest and saddest "achievement" and will be his lasting legacy in the eyes of the world.


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

He managed to - inadvertently, of course - get a bunch of rightist governments either

a. Into trouble (Australia, Britain...)
b. Voted right out of power (Spain, Poland, India...)

I'm not saying he had anything to do with it. The two probably were mutually exclusive in may cases, but it did happen.

And that is a good thing.


User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2245 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

2- record high gas prices

Um, how does the president set gas prices?


3- we're in a war that has cost us nearly 1000 American lives thus far

Well, soldiers DO die in wars, but I think our troops are doing pretty good, losing around 1000 brave souls in 1 1/2 years of armed conflict (I'm guessing that's a little less than WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam). But if you want to talk about the reasons we went to war, then you got a valid debate.


4- the economy is near depression standards

We came out of a short recession last year, with the economy adding more jobs in the past year than were lost in the first part of Bush's term. The unemployment rate has stayed under 6%, so I don't think we're at or near "depression standards". Besides, I got a $800 check last year from the government and had fun with it  Big grin


6- we've alienated ourselves from countries who were once our allies

UK, Poland, The Netherlands, Ukraine, Italy, Japan, Romania, Australia, etc. has troops committed in Iraq - I don't think we would have that kind of support if we've "alienated" them. And it's not like these spats are irreconcilable - in the end we will kiss and make-up with France, Germany, Russia, etc.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Re: UK, Poland, The Netherlands, Ukraine, Italy, Japan, Romania, Australia, etc. has troops committed in Iraq - I don't think we would have that kind of support if we've "alienated" them

The Governments of those countries may not be alienated, but the people by and large (not sure about the Eastern European countries) are. Do not expect many of these countries' governments to get behind any similiar future unilateral endeavours against Iran, Syria and the rest of the Axis of Evil. Once bitten, twice voted out of office ! Look what happened in Spain.


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

4- the economy is near depression standards

ROTFL. Even a hardened anti-Bush man like myself has to laugh at that line. It's hardly near "depression standards". It's not even in a recession. But it certainly isn't the greatest economy of all-time, as our Bush apologists on here would have us believe, either. They scoff at the economic boom in the 90's, which created millions of jobs, while this one still sees jobs leaving the country.

Depression? Get real. Best economy ever? Hardly, even though I see CFalk is spinning the party line about this economy.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

JGPH1A, apropos of nothing in particular (i.e my own views don't enter into it here), opinion polls in the UK show that the population have remained broadly in favour of the war in Iraq even though approval has dropped.

Certainly, there is concern, and equally there is quite a strong anti-war lobby. But I'd just be slightly careful in concluding that the US has alienated British opinion in the same way as many of the other countries you list. It isn't quite that clear cut. It certainly couldn't be put in the same category as Spain or Italy where a majority has always been against military action.



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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

Ummm

I can't believe Americans still hold a grudge against France. I guess it must be US embarrassment that the French have better intelligence, French intelligence has also lead to the capture of 8 of the 10 most wanted Al Qaida members. Let's not forget that the only reason for declaring war against Iraq according to the UN charter was if they were proven to be developing WMD's. France, Germany and 98% of the world was correct when they doubted US/English intelligence that could only come up with pictures of some trucks. As for the human rights BS the attacks that we keep hearing in the press about Saddam killing his own people come from the late 1980's during the Iraq-Iran war and our own intelligence showed that the chemical weapons used against the Kurds weren't even owned by Iraq but by Iran. The findings of this investigation were published in the New York Times in 1992. So far the prosecutors against Saddam have found no evidence to convict him even the Kuwait war argument doesn't hold as most Iraqis believe Kuwait still should belong to Iraq.

If the US really went to war with Iraq for human rights and "freedom" (lets not even get into the fact that Iraq is quickly falling into a secular society where they are going to lose many of the few freedoms they had under Hussein) then we would have also been in Sudan 2 years ago, Liberia last year and Cote D'Ivoire 3 years ago where the people are actually fighting for freedom and democracy not condoning it like they are in Iraq.




"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

The "human rights" and "getting rid of an evil dictator" arguments ring hollow when placed against what's going on in the rest of that region, in Africa, an SE Asia. Even the "well, he had the POTENTIAL" (we've gone from, in winter of 2003 from him absolutely having them, according to the Administration, to the potential to make them. Interesting isn't it?), rings hollow when other nations even more dangerous than Iraq ever was DOES have WMD (DRPK, China, Pakistan), or is actively seeking them (Iran). Why aren't we after them? Why Iraq?

And the thing is, our friends on the right cannot effectively answer that question, because it embarrasses the Administration That Is Never Wrong.

The war will go down as one of the biggest blunders in modern American history. It's accomplished nothing, and will continue to accomplish nothing.


User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2245 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

The way I see it: Better to have removed a murderous dictator and find no WMDs than to leave a murderous dictator alone and finding out (the hard way) there are WMDs...


"On spaceship earth there are no passengers...only crew."
User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Who said Bush was bad for the Economy??

Ever US Oil Company has posted record profits in 9 quarters that Bush has been in office. ExxonMobil just hit another record with $5.8 billion profit in the second quarter!

Maybe its because we helped them so much with the energy bill that provided $20 billion in much need tax breaks to our struggling energy industry  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Another accomplishment is that the Bush administration has brought down alternative fuels funding to its lowest level in 30 years!



"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5724 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

lets not even get into the fact that Iraq is quickly falling into a secular society where they are going to lose many of the few freedoms they had under Hussein

Secular? I thought the danger was Iraq turning into a theocracy like Iran... Confused Confused Confused


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Re: opinion polls in the UK show that the population have remained broadly in favour of the war in Iraq even though approval has dropped.

I don't think you can really argue against getting rid of Saddam, bottom line he was an evil psycho gobshite. No doubt polls in the UK reflect at least the notion that its a good thing he's gone. Also, the fact that there are actually British soldiers on the ground fighting and dying, whatever the reason, is likely in the UK to swing support round at least a bit.

But I maintain that having come so badly unglued on the Iraqi intelligence dossiers and the WMD thing, the UK and other coalition goverments are going to have a much much harder sell on any future non-UN-approved military adventures against the likes of Iran or Syria.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

1- record high annual deficit

In a time of war and post major event.

2- record high gas prices

Not in terms of real dollars.

3- we're in a war that has cost us nearly 1000 American lives thus far

You put a price on freedom? Clearly you don't understand the cost of freedom.

4- the economy is near depression standards

Now that's a load of crap. Largest growth rate in history in a post 9/11 environement that has cost America billions.

5- we're seeing more and more domestic jobs outsourced to foreign countries

We oustource fewer jobs than we insource.

6- we've alienated ourselves from countries who were once our allies

Hardly. They have chosen to alienate themselves because there was no financial gain for them by going into Iraq.

7- health care costs for veterans has increased

Umm... No. There's another whopper.

8- he plans to curtail COPS funding which will cost close to 90,000 police
officers their jobs


Yet another myth. It's additional funding. And had Clinton handled number 9 we wouldn't need the COPS program. Furthermore, the reduction in program expansion was because Cities are using the money for everything but hiring additional officers because they spent like mad during the .com boom and now don't have the means to pay for it.

9- not only was he was in office when the country's deadliest act of domestic terrorism occurred but, as we approach the 3rd anniversary of that event, he has failed to bring the mastermind of the murder of 3000 people on
American soil to justice


Could have been done by Clinton pre-9/11 if he had a pair.


User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Secular -

Reacting to secular dogmatism, populist Islamic groups have advanced a conception of the state that, while different in substance, is similar in purpose and form to the very secular state they oppose. Like Muslim secularists, Islamic populists see the state as an instrument in the hands of ruling powers for imposing a particular conception of the world on the rest of society. They insist, therefore, that the Islamic state should be charged with the duty of imposing Islamic law on the larger society.

Theocracy-

"Theocracy" has been explained by the Oxford Advanced Learner's Encyclopedic Dictionary as: “(country with a) system of government by priests or a priestly class in which the laws of the state are believed to be the laws of God”

I think that while many people fear Iraq turning into a theocracy the reality is that it will more resemble a strict secular state...but I guess only time will tell. Either way I would give it a 100% chance that strict muslim laws will be imposed on the people of Iraq.



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

First, kudos to all who have contributed thus far for keeping this thread in the spirit it was intended. Also, you are to be commended for refraining from turning this into a topic with negative connotations. Keep up the good work.

That being said, I have yet to see anyone bring to light some of President Bush's positive accomplishments since taking office. Accomplishments that have made an improvement on our life in America. A few have disputed the negative impact I feel he has had but I have yet to see anything positive documented that the Bush Administration has brought to the table since taking office. I guess one thing would be removing Saddam Hussein from office and bringing him to justice although some might say this has actually had a negative impact on our lifestyle as Americans given the elevated terror activity since we took that initiative.

Oh, someone asked for a source for the President's plans to cut off the federal funding to the COPS program. That was in TIME Magazine 3-4 weeks ago and former President Clinton also mentioned it during his speech at the Democratic National Convention. Neither President Bush or anyone from his staff have disputed this fact.


User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

..back to accomplishments

3 of the 5 US major oil companies were able to declare a majority of their taxable income in Aruba and the Bahamas during the Bush administration decreasing their tax burden and helping to increase shareholder wealth.

If you were an investor in any of those companies that was a huge accomplishment  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Does Cut = Reduction of increase to you Itsjustme?

I hear that a lot from the left these days.

"I have yet to see anyone bring to light some of President Bush's positive accomplishments since taking office."

That is an interesting comment since your original 9 points were picked apart one by one.




Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

3- we're in a war that has cost us nearly 1000 American lives thus far

You put a price on freedom? Clearly you don't understand the cost of freedom.


So freedom now means going into a country without a reason or just a suspicion and getting our troops killed as well as killing many civillians



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

You put a price on freedom?

Who's freedom? Mine? This war certainly isn't being fought for MY freedom, which I thought was the reason for US Troops in the first place. This has nothing to do with my freedom.

They have chosen to alienate themselves because there was no financial gain for them by going into Iraq.

ROTFL. There's a wonderful re-writing of history. WE alienated them because George W. Bush wanted to go to war, and he was willing to do ANYTHING to get it in Iraq. He steamrolled our allies and the UN, and didn't think twice of it, and now, he has the nerve to tell these people they have a moral duty to help in Iraq, after he cause the present mess.

WE alienated them becuase they didn't see eye-to-eye with us. With this Administration, which is never wrong, remember, if you don't agree, you're an enemy.

Nice revisionist history, but it's lie, what you typed.

This president has certainly not earned a 2nd term, although there's enough people who have delusions that he does for some reason.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Now I know why people often call you a fool.

[Edited 2004-08-03 15:54:18]

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Is that the best you can do? If that's all you have in your aresenal, you're pretty lame on comebacks!  Laugh out loud

If you want to see "fool", look in the mirror, and listen to yourself kiss the rear end of GWB. It will become clear to you then.

Next time, try a little harder at comebacks. You might get somehwere.


25 Itsjustme : Does Cut = Reduction of increase to you Itsjustme? Huh? If you'll clarify what this question means, I will be happy to respond. I hear that a lot from
26 Jamesag96 : "...and listen to yourself kiss the rear end of GWB." I think Alpha used to be a high quality poster...but then all of the rhetoric did something to h
27 J.mo : The answer to your question is simply...none. Jamesag96 says your points were picked apart but, the consensus was Bush actually did NOTHING to further
28 Boeing7E7 : Is that the best you can do? If that's all you have in your aresenal, you're pretty lame on comebacks! You have a belief system. It's pointless to arg
29 Alpha 1 : I think Alpha used to be a high quality poster...but then all of the rhetoric did something to him. Everyone that disagrees with him "Kisses the rear
30 L.1011 : Look, the War in Iraq is like all our military weapons systems. It's 10 times better to buy 1,000 fighters and have them never see any action besides
31 Jaysit : In the rather empty wasteland of Bush II's tenure, there is one achievement I can cite: The President signed into effect the new Medicare Modernizatio
32 Jamesag96 : "...yet you seem to think he's done so much to deserve 4 more years." When the choice is Bush or Kerry...yeah I think Bush would be the better man. Bu
33 Alpha 1 : L.1011, that's as flawed logic as I've ever read. Based on that logic-again-why don't we go after the DRPK, China, Iraq, Syria, etc, who HAVE WMD or w
34 Luisca : Go back to the topic 1. Tax cuts that have promoted the most economic growth in the history of the US, and witch stopped the ongoing recession. 2. NO
35 Post contains images JAL777 : Based on that logic-again-why don't we go after the DRPK, China, Iraq, Syria, etc, who HAVE WMD or who ARE actively seeking them? So what is your sayi
36 Alpha 1 : Cute, JAL777. I got a good laugh out of that. You know what I mean-why don't we go after those nations that HAVE these weapons ,or who are actively se
37 Teva : One of the greatest achievemnts of a president who says he is guided by God? Christians are persecuted in Countries where they have been living for mi
38 Itsjustme : I'll slow it down for you...if the federal government is going to increase spending for roads by $10, but then the Admin reduces the increase to $8...
39 Itsjustme : Luisca, I just read your post. Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for. A simple response to a simple question. And you managed to respond wi
40 Post contains images L.1011 : Alpha, L.1011, that's as flawed logic as I've ever read. Based on that logic-again-why don't we go after the DRPK, China, Iraq, Syria, etc, who HAVE W
41 Jamesag96 : I wasn't skirting your question...I was pointing out that your initial points were incorrect and then followed with a specific question regarding your
42 Jaysit : "The most significan medicar reform in more than a decade, with prescription drug bennefits. Of course, the Dems HATE to admit it." As usual, you peop
43 JGPH1A : RE: Anarchy? Please. Law and order is rapidly returning to the country. If you'd been under Saddam's iron fist for 30 years and now had all the freedo
44 Post contains images Alpha 1 : Oops. Meant to put Iran in there, not Iraq. I guess fingers type according to headlines. Since the 30-minute time limit up to change my faux pas has p
45 Continental : "You put a price on freedom? Clearly you don't understand the cost of freedom." Last time I checked we were free. Did it change overnight!?
46 Yhmfan : The following is a comprehensive list of GWB's positive accomplishments: I hope this helps.
47 Post contains images EA CO AS : Turn off FOX and Limbaugh and think for yourself people. So if my opinions differ from yours I'm just not thinking for myself? Is THAT how this works?
48 Boeing757/767 : Yhmfan, you forgot one. Um, I'm thinking, thinking, thinking. Nope, you're right. I'm coming up empty.
49 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : http://www.crushkerry.com/article174.html
50 J.mo : I find it interesting that you'd have people "think for themselves," but only if those thoughts happen to coincide with yours Well tell me this. How d
51 Post contains images L.1011 : Jaysit, First of all, the Medicare Act would not have passed without Democratic support. You are really amazing. If people actually believed you, they
52 KiwiNanday : We're ruled by a bush and a dick
53 Post contains images B757300 : Wow, nice puking up of DNC talking (lying) points. 1- record high annual deficit Not true if other deficits are adjusted for inflation. The one we ran
54 L-188 : What a nausiating thread. Anyway, I will point out that he did push and get revoked the 5 year limit on student loan interest tax deductions. Which ha
55 Dc10guy : I wish I could remember the A.net guy who summed up the republicans blind obedience to Bush something like this ... Bush could shit on L-188 or Cfalk,
56 L-188 : Well it was either you or Alpha1. And the comment was not particularly accurate either. So what whould Bush shit do for my roses? The Steer manure and
57 Donder10 : 4- the economy is near depression standards I'd like to see the defintion of depression that you are using. They scoff at the economic boom in the 90'
58 Dc10guy : Go with what you like dude ....FYI Steer manure works well on tomatoes but for roses use the fish meal ...
59 L-188 : For Raspberries, we used to bury the heads and carcasses of the fish we caught in amoung the berry plants.....they loved that! To keep the cats away w
60 MaverickM11 : "There are plenty of areas to attack Bush " But no one on the Left ever seems to find the meaningful ones...
61 Jaysit : "More pay and pension funds for American soldiers and veterans (kerry tries to say that he is for veterans, but the veteran vote is polling almost 2 t
62 Post contains images EA CO AS : We're ruled by a bush and a dick I'll think of a better signature later Can you think of better POSTS as well, while you're at it?
63 Post contains images KiwiNanday : it was just a joke. Jeez, you're pretty damn rude!
64 Post contains images Matt D : Remember, if Bush loses, the People have spoken. If he wins, he clearly stole the election.
65 Luv2fly : I'm not sure he will be able to steal it this year. Unless he finds another state other than Florida to step up to the plate and fix the election for
66 Dc10guy : MattD, very true statement dude, I don't think they will be quite so sloppy this time around though. Seizing power is a big job !!!
67 Alpha 1 : So if my opinions differ from yours I'm just not thinking for myself? Is THAT how this works? No, you're not thinking for yourself, because you buy th
68 Post contains links Luisca : Amaizing how liberals turn EVERITHING into an I hate Bush thread, itsjutme: You can see the true nature of these bush bashers by reading the post, the
69 Post contains images Alpha 1 : and another piece of advice get your news from fox news! Yes, it's better than thinking for yourself, isn't it Luisca? Another person that the Wizard
70 Itsjustme : Jamesag96 writes Grow up, you can't come on here spout a bunch of bullshit and then expect to get a free ride. Let me share 3 words you're apparently
71 JeffM : How many administrations in the past have admitted they were wrong on anything?
72 Itsjustme : How many administrations in the past have admitted they were wrong on anything? Jeff, I'm missing your point. Are you saying that just because no othe
73 Itsjustme : L-188 writes: What a nausiating (sic) thread. For being such a "nauseating thread" I see you took the time to contribute not just once but several tim
74 L-188 : Well just think of my contrbutions as the Pepto Bismol
75 Jasepl : How many administrations in the past have admitted they were wrong on anything? Just because you don't admit to something doesn't mean you weren't wro
76 Itsjustme : Well just think of my contrbutions as the Pepto Bismol Now THAT'S funny!
77 Indianguy : Any discussion on GWB’s accomplishments would be incomplete without mentioning his phenomenal contribution to the English language. GWB has single-h
78 Itsjustme : Any discussion on GWB’s accomplishments would be incomplete without mentioning his phenomenal contribution to the English language. GWB has single-h
79 Zak : George Walker Bush has been a most brilliant leader. He has a vision to establish a new world order where morals and faith play a role again, he has a
80 Airplay : Starting with Cfalk's diatribe, the vast majority of the responses in this thread to the original 9 points have consisted of misleading statements con
81 Post contains images Itsjustme : Little sarcasm there Zak?
82 Iakobos : With him, the American Dream has reached new heights: he has proven ad nauseum that being intelligent is not a requisite to become President of the mo
83 Itsjustme : he has proven ad nauseum that being intelligent is not a requisite to become President of the most powerful country on earth. Whether you're a Bush su
84 Iakobos : Seriously guys, putting aside your political "appartenance" (which seems to be part of almost everyone's ID in the US...unavoidable when only two part
85 Boeing7E7 : Turn off FOX and Limbaugh and think for yourself people. And what? Turn on the liberal radio network and CNN? Don't listen to Rush much anyway, but Fo
86 EA CO AS : So if my opinions differ from yours I'm just not thinking for myself? Is THAT how this works? No, you're not thinking for yourself, because you buy th
87 Post contains links B757300 : Or do you actually believe it is impossible for a thinking person to come to a different conclusion than yours? That is exactly what liberals think. T
88 Alpha 1 : All you wide-eyed Bush fans, read up on what he REALLY did to Texas (note, I didn't say did IN Texas, but TO Texas). Read how he destroyed the economy
89 EA CO AS : All you wide-eyed Bush fans, read up on what he REALLY did to Texas And you fools think he should be President? I'll admit, I'm not well-versed on Bus
90 Alpha 1 : I'll admit, I'm not well-versed on Bush's accomplishments or failures as Governor of Texas, so I cannot speak to those points. However, I know that al
91 Post contains links B2707SST : He destroyed Texas Then why was he re-elected handily as Governor in 1998, 69-31%, and how did he carry Texas in 2000, 60-38%? Why doesn't Kerry have
92 B757300 : All you wide-eyed Bush fans, read up on what he REALLY did to Texas. Alpha1, seeing how you're NOT from Texas, I suggest you shut your mouth on this o
93 Alpha 1 : Given that the No Child Left Behind Act was co-written by Ted Kennedy The plan co-written by Kennedy was never implimented, as Bush lied about how muc
94 JeffM : "Are you saying that just because no other administration has admitted being wrong about something (although I think Nixon did so by resigning), you c
95 Post contains links B2707SST : Bush lied about how much he was going to fund it. If you'd bother to read beyond the headlines, you might find this out Utter rubbish. If you'd bother
96 Itsjustme : does anyone really believe that Mr Bush is really the person that leads the country ? I strongly doubt Bush has ever made a major decision on his own.
97 Itsjustme : You read more into the question then is necessary, and answer it with a question. Who would have guessed?? Respond intelligently to the question, and
98 Alpha 1 : You can show me his budget, but Bush never funded the project to the point that he agreed to with Sen. Kennedy. He underfunded it by like 1/3. His tax
99 Boeing7E7 : You can show me his budget, but Bush never funded the project to the point that he agreed to with Sen. Kennedy. He underfunded it by like 1/3. His tax
100 Zak : "Ever think of getting a job with the DNC? They need a few good liars." pot kettle black
101 B2707SST : Giving the wealthy more money, on top of what they already know what to do with, to him, is more important than funding education. Sometimes I wonder
102 Jamesag96 : "His tax breaks, during wartime, for his rich friends,..." So you are saying that no one other than his "rich friends" got a tax break? I didn't know
103 Post contains images Jasepl : Can't come up with 10 - what would I know anyway, I'm just an ignorant foreigner But this one here is an absolute gem and has to count as one of his g
104 Post contains images EA CO AS : Tax breaks that only really help those with more money than they already know what to do with I'm sorry, but last I checked, extra money in anyone's p
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