Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9710 posts, RR: 10 Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2403 times:
From a central european standpoint its impossible to even think of that Bush Jr. might be able win again, looking at his list of shortfalls. Still everything points towards a pretty tight race to be run in November.
I would like to hear why many Americans still think he should have another run in the office despite he is undoubtedly:
-the US president who spoiled the image of the USA like no one before
-a running symbol of "Give to the rich, take from the poor"
-less than a genius
-a warmonger (well, at least more than is good for his country)
-hated by almost everyone outside the US
-someone who exploits the country´s monetary resources on the expense of future generations and the rest of the world
-someone who gives a shit about environmental pollution
-carrying a gun in one hand, the bible in the other and kills at the same time as he reads "Do not kill" without any sign of knowing what kind of picture he shows the world
I do not want a US vs. the rest of the world discussion here.
Bush Jr. is not the USA.
Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2378 times:
what do you european champagne socialist care about the US election (before you ask I am a US citizen).
If the people of the UNITED STATES want Bush to be president, then you are just gonna have to DEAL with it. I am sick and tired of the Euro Commies and their constant I hate Bush, Bush is a Moron, Bush is Evil TRASH. I can assure you most europeans give a RATS ASS what happens on November.
And why do you always say all the "negative" things about Bush?
What is so wrong about a president with moral values?
what is so wrong about someone that want to DEFEND his country rather than sit on his ass waiting to be attacked again.
what is so wrong about a president that proposed tax cuts to reactivate the ecomy (I am against making some of them permanent thow)
what is so wrong about a president that actually stands up for what he believes in instead of changing it every time he goes in front of a new crowd (Kerry)
George W. Bush was elected acording to the rules in the US constitution on November 2000. He Took office in January of 2001 until January of ¡2009! hopefully.
If The people of the US dont want Bush to be president, they will vote him out in november, if they do, they will elect him, it IS that simple.
I just had to vent..
now i am leaving before Jaysit and ALPHA_1 take over this thread
Zak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2366 times:
a swift response by the "morally" right!
"what do you european champagne socialist care about the US election (before you ask I am a US citizen)."
what is a "champagne socialist"? isnt that an oxymoron, after all socialists are to be members of the working class while champagne is a sign of the upper social echelons
"If the people of the UNITED STATES want Bush to be president, then you are just gonna have to DEAL with it."
if the majority of the people of the united states dont want him to be president, the right has to deal with it. it happened in 2000, it will happen in 2004
"I am sick and tired of the Euro Commies and their constant I hate Bush, Bush is a Moron, Bush is Evil TRASH."
since when does euro equal commie? after all WE invented democracy! and to top it off, a country could be economically work with a marxist economy and still be a democracy, there is no form of state permanently linked to the property of being a democracy as long as the "demos creare" principle is maintained(which was never the case in marxist countries but is in theory still possible)
"I can assure you most europeans give a RATS ASS what happens on November."
i can assure you most europeans care, as various polls have shown most europeans percieve the usa as the #1 threat to world peace, even more with such lunatics at the helm
"And why do you always say all the "negative" things about Bush?"
most people can not find positive things to say might be a reason for that. unless you are a far right christian fundamentalist you have a hard time convincing yourself that there are "positive" things about bush.
Cptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2606 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2352 times:
Hey, Na Jr.
Who's Bush Jr.?
If you want to vent, at least get the name correct. Regards..Jack
Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2343 times:
what is a "champagne socialist"? isnt that an oxymoron, after all socialists are to be members of the working class while champagne is a sign of the upper social echelons
It is a term used in america (the continent) to describe how the europeans can drink champagne and eat caviar and then brag about how they believe in sociallism.
since when does euro equal commie? after all WE invented democracy!
The first modern democracy was the USA, you were still hailing your king with his totalitarian rule when the americans were voting.
9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2340 times:
Well, at least five thread starters on the front page at the moment containing the word "Bush". Do we really need another flame-war?
As much as you´re totally entitled to starting such a thread, Na, you are such an experienced a.net member and should know in what kind of a mess this will end.
Galaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 27 Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2338 times:
Yanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1395 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2327 times:
a running symbol of "Give to the rich, take from the poor"
I think you are thinking of John Kerry's plan. Look, my family is typical middle class and we great that President George W. Bush created those tax-cuts. It was nice to get something from the government instead of giving something to it.
a warmonger (well, at least more than is good for his country)
How the hell can you be called a "warmonger" when you are able to take out the Taliban in Afghanistan and are able to free the Iraqi people from the iron grip of Saddam Hussein? I am glad that the President used the notion of striking the terrorist first before they strike us. We can't just sit here and do nothing while regimes like Saddam's were funding terrorist (including al-Qaida). At least he did something to protect us instead of Clinton who did nothing but hit on his secretaries and then lie about to the entire nation.
hated by almost everyone outside the US
Well that is because no one else experienced what we did on September 11, 2001 when 19 lunatics and thugs took thousands of lives without any reason for doing it.
someone who gives a shit about environmental pollution
Look, I do agree that President Bush should have a little more concern for the environment we live in and that I wish that pollution would end, but right now there are bigger issues than saving a little tree.
Also, why is it wrong for the President to have a faith in god? Why is it that the Left and you Euros want him to be an atheist and destroy religion in this country? It shows the president has a good sense of morality.
-less than a genius
Where in the United States Constitution does it say that the President has to be the smartest man alive?
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4934 posts, RR: 46 Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2316 times:
what do you european champagne socialist care about the US election (before you ask I am a US citizen).
Because whoever will be elected in November, will be the leader of the most powerful country in the world. Many of the decisions that President makes will affect us, and our safety, too. That's why we care.
I am sick and tired of the Euro Commies and their constant I hate Bush, Bush is a Moron, Bush is Evil TRASH
"Euro Commies". Cute. Are you related to Jwenting? You wouldn't recognise a communist if he stood before you and kicked you in the nuts.
I can assure you most europeans give a RATS ASS what happens on November.
I can assure you, as a European, that you are wrong.
And why do you always say all the "negative" things about Bush?
because there's hardly anything positive to say about him?
What is so wrong about a president with moral values?
Nothing. What is wrong is a President trying to impose HIS moral values on all his citizens.
what is so wrong about someone that want to DEFEND his country rather than sit on his ass waiting to be attacked again.
Remind me again how the war in Iraq was in defense of the USA?
L.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2308 times:
God these threads are a waste of bandwidth. So, let's see here. We have the Germans whining about how bad Bush is, Luisca worshipping Bush, Alpha 1 telling people they're right wing wackos, Zak touting the greatness of Marxism, people whining about spelling and grammar, people whining about the thread not accomplishing anything, people whining about Bush bashing, and Yanksn4 freaking out about the atheists taking over the country. Can anyone honestly say we haven't seen anything in this thread before? God.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2282 times:
What is so wrong about a president with moral values?
A president who clamors for war doesn't have moral values.
A president that torches the environment, and lets polluters make the regulation on the environment has no moral values.
A president that says he's a Christian, then uses his faith as a weapon against others he doesn't like has no moral values.
A president who's economic vision is to prop up the wealthiest at the expense of the neediest has no moral values.
A president who deliberatly has policies destroying the educational system that most of our children use, to promote religious education, has no moral values.
A man who made a big windfall off the sale of his company's stock, when his company had lied to the public about it's financial health, has no moral values.
A man who shits on the rest of the world when they don't see things his way has no moral values.
The biggest lie about Bush is that he has moral values. He doesn't, nor do any of those around him. That sad part, is people like you are so blinded by the truth, and are afraid to face up to it, less it shows that you yourself have no moral values as well.
Another Bush bashing thread.........anything new happening on airliners recently?
Another worthless, pointless response from NWA742, another of the permanently blind.
It was nice to get something from the government instead of giving something to it.
And how much did you get? A couple hudred dollars at most? In a true middle class family-and mine is-a couple hundred dollars is NOTHING. Now, go ask people who are richer 'n God, who already don't have a fucking clue where to spend all the excess money they have, how much THEY got on their tax break-6 digits, perhaps, maybe high 5 digits.
If the little pittence you got from Bush puts stars in your eyes, when the bulk of the money went to the top 1% (who's income is more than about the bottom 60% combined), then you're a bigger fool than I first imagined.
Well that is because no one else experienced what we did on September 11, 2001 when 19 lunatics and thugs took thousands of lives without any reason for doing it.
One of the greatest tragedies in the aftermath of 9/11, that Bush, and the likes of you, have brought forward, is that the U.S., because a terrorist attack happened on us, has the right to do anything to anybody, and then use 9/11 as the justificataion. That's the mindset of people frightened into oblivion, not people who simply won't let the terrorists change fundamentally who they are. 9/11 changed people like you, into callous, heartless, damn-anyone-who-doesn't-agree-with-us paranoids.
And L.1011. if it's such a waste of bandwith, why did you feel the need to respond? So you like kissing Bush's butt. Big deal. Some of us don't. Get over it.
Zak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2277 times:
" Zak touting the greatness of Marxism "
stop making up things to fit your agenda, i simply pointed out that things are not as simple as using the typical hicksville catchphrases like "commie" etc to describe how things are in reality. as intended, such an approach is inherently strange to certain people around here since the world, in their mind, can be summed up with "good", "evil", "terrorist", "morals", "faith" and "lets roll"
"The first modern democracy was the USA"
revisionist history by the usa, similar to the first flight issue.
the usa were the first "democracy like the usa", but the first "modern" democracy? hardly, after all you did not have full rights to the whole population till the 19th century. if you count a country without universal rights including voting et cetera a modern democracy, then the usa certainly wasnt the first, after all it took mr. king, mr. x, mrs parks and many others to make it a democracy for everyone.
if you do not need "democracy for everyone" to make a country a modern democracy, then again the usa was not the first, cause then switzerland takes the medal there, declaration of independence 1648.
"you were still hailing your king with his totalitarian rule when the americans were voting."
tell that to the black people in your country, i bet they would have preferred hailing to kings that were long gone in europe by the time they were allowed to vote in the u.s.a
KYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2268 times:
If The people of the US dont want Bush to be president, they will vote him out in november, if they do, they will elect him, it IS that simple.
Actually the majority of people DIDN'T want Bush in the first place.
Rjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2253 times:
the US president who spoiled the image of the USA like no one before
Oh bull. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Many Europeans disagreed with Clinton's unilateralist policies but when Bush does the same things you hate on the guy. A rift between the US and Europe was set in motion after the end of the Cold War.
We live in a new world and (SOME) Europeans have yet to accept it. Perhaps it will take another bombing in Madrid or Paris for all of you to wake up. And I'm not too concerned about the image of the US in Europe. Last time I was in Germany (after the Iraq war), US culture was still dominant. US music, McDonalds, Budweiser, Marlboro, USAF planes above, everyone speaking English. And if you go a little past Germany, you will find the Eastern European countries in love with America.
You can count on America to save the 21st century from it's first major threat. Just as we saved the 20th century from its two biggest threats--Nazism and Communism.
a running symbol of "Give to the rich, take from the poor"
Or take less from the rich, give less to the poor. However you want to think about it, there will always be a rift between "normal Americans" and politicians. ALWAYS. John Edwards is the closest politicians I've seen to being close to the average American. Look at how rich Kerry is.
less than a genius
Agree with you here.......I still don't see how he rose to the ranks of being the top Republican. The man is clearly missing something; thank God he has LOTS of advisors who know what they are doing.
-a warmonger (well, at least more than is good for his country)
Typical European viewpoint........Petrified of war after centuries of starting them. As Bush has said many times, we didn't start this war but we will dammed well finish it.
hated by almost everyone outside the US
Just like you hated Reagan.........Or do we forget that now?
Jamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2229 times:
"and how much did you get? A couple hudred dollars at most? In a true middle class family-and mine is-a couple hundred dollars is NOTHING. Now, go ask people who are richer 'n God, who already don't have a fucking clue where to spend all the excess money they have, how much THEY got on their tax break-6 digits, perhaps, maybe high 5 digits."
So what? Why shouldn't people that make many times more than I do receive many times more back than I do?
I love to hear the super rich Like Clinton, Babs, and Ben Afleck complain about tax cuts and how much money they saved. If they are so fucking righteous they should donate the refunds they think they didn't deserve to charity, it is theirs to do with whatever they want...which is afterall the point.
Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6518 posts, RR: 36 Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2199 times:
[sarcasm]
Wow- Europeans have a dim view of America? I'm shocked!
[/sarcasm]
This isn't even worth a genuine response, IMHO. But it is a validator of more of my opinions of Old Europe as it presently exists today.
Jamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
I wouldn't want either of them candied either...shudder.
9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2158 times:
I won´t participate in the bitching contest (in which people from both sides of the pond once again have been showing that there´s a huge bunch of ignorance/stupidity everywhere in the world) but one statement just cracked me up:
Last time I was in Germany (after the Iraq war), US culture was still dominant. US music, McDonalds, Budweiser, Marlboro, USAF planes above, everyone speaking English
Apart from the fact that german culture is still pretty dominant in Germany (believe it or not: most people still keep their conversations in german and there are actually some guys in southern europe who wear Lederhosen while eating Sauerkraut and flirting with Heidi), you are right that US music is very popular here, just as McDonald´s, Marlboro and the english language. But BUDWEISER? This is a real insult to any german who tends to drink a decent beer from time to time (which translates into "all germans"). You will hardly find anyone voluntarily drinking that stuff here unless there´s really really nothing else
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38597 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2134 times:
Luisca:
I don't know about Panama but the United States consume more champaign than Europe. Europeans tend to drink more beer.
Bring back the Concorde
25 Jaysit: "the bible in the other ...better than Penthouse, like his predecessor." Although I don't recall a time when Penthouse was ever used as a basis for bu
26 Luisca: Although I don't recall a time when Penthouse was ever used as a basis for burning people at the stake, imprisonment, torture, hellfire, damnation, sl
27 Vafi88: How the hell can you be called a "warmonger" when you are able to take out the Taliban in Afghanistan and are able to free the Iraqi people from the i
28 Cfalk: The best reason to vote for Bush? He's not John Kerry.
29 Vafi88: The best reason to vote for Bush? He's not John Kerry. It's alright, Cfalk! We know Intelligent people scare you...
30 Cfalk: It's alright, Cfalk! We know Intelligent people scare you... I never considered myself to be frightened of my own side, but thanks for your concern I
31 Jasepl: Well that is because no one else experienced what we did on September 11, 2001 when 19 lunatics and thugs took thousands of lives without any reason f
32 Scorpio: Luisca, you are crazier than Michael Moore if you believe Bush does all this History has clearly never been your strong point, has it? Rjpieces, Oh bu
33 Sabena 690: @Cfalk: thanks for your last postings (at least a Bush-voter who speaks common sense ) You surprised me with one thing: Let's face it - the die-hard D
34 Cfalk: Is your 40%-figure an assumption (that's a very high number), or is this based on a study you read somewhere? If this is based on a study which is pub
35 Jamesag96: I am with Cfalk on this one. Bush is the lesser of two evils for me, which would be second time in a row. Had the Dem party been able to rally behind
36 Galaxy5: I would have considered Lieberman myself, but Gore and now Kerry do nothing for me, i will have to vote bush now, because im not throwing my vote away
37 Alpha 1: -Deficit spending, unlike any other president. -Huge tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans, when the rest get almost nothing. -A war that should nev
38 Jaysit: "It's the 20% in the middle who decide who wins the election" Sorry, but the electorate is evenly decided. Its the clueless 4% in the middle who don't
39 JeffM: "everything above is fact" Yes, it is, and the moon is made of swiss cheese, and John Kerry will have us all in new cars, new houses, with new schools
40 Alpha 1: "It's the 20% in the middle who decide who wins the election" Normally, that is true, but I think you'll see that Bush will get nary a bounce, either,
41 Kalakaua: Bush is giving more money to Pell Grant recipients. This is good news for college students. Unlike Kerry who prefers kids to stay at their own state u
42 Jaysit: "Bush is giving more money to Pell Grant recipients. This is good news for college students." Only for a limited number of qualifying students who stu
43 Jamesag96: "-Huge tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans, when the rest get almost nothing." I have asked you before what the problem is with people making more
44 Alpha 1: I have asked you before what the problem is with people making more than you or I receiving more back in tax cuts than you or I...your money in your p
45 Jamesag96: Alf that sounds great in theory, but I am guessing you have long term plans, and hopefully one day you will be considered "rich" which is to say your
46 Dan-air: Alf that sounds great in theory, but I am guessing you have long term plans, and hopefully one day you will be considered "rich" which is to say your
47 Jamesag96: "The guy flipping burgers at MickeyD's can barely afford to buy himself lunch at his place of employment so he can't fund the cluster bombs." Maybe th
48 Slider: Economically, the tax cuts affected almost *everyone* who is a wage-earner in America, not just the wealthy. More specious class-envy nonsense from th
49 Dan-air: That is an interesting point. What happens when all those geniuses stop buying boats...what happens to the boating industry and all of the jobs it sup
50 Alpha 1: I see your point, and it is a noble one, but I think there are better ways to do that then taking from the "rich" and giving to the "not-rich." Like w
51 Bohica: Here are all the reasons to vote for Bush: My point exactly. There are none.
52 Slider: Ah, Bohica, what a brilliant intellectual discussion of the issue upon its merits.
53 Jamesag96: Dan, you brought up the boating industry, I used it as an example. "why not simply tell them "you've got more than you will ever need, so we're going
54 QIguy24: Jamessag96: Maybe the guy flipping burgers at McD's should look into getting an education, or showing some dedication and desire to move up within the
55 Alpha 1: Slider, I thnk he coudln't have said it better, to be honest? Are you kidding me? Who the hell are you to determine what I, or anyone else for that ma
56 Jamesag96: "May I ask you something. If you want everybody to get a good education amnd become mangager. Who the hell should flip your burgers next time you are
57 QIguy24: That one I agree with you on James, There are to many crybabies out there who didn't get their ass together to get a good education. But thre are also
58 Slider: Like I said, give us middle-class working stiffs, who often are the one's on who's back those that have more money than they can deal with have made t
59 Dan-air: Are you kidding me? Who the hell are you to determine what I, or anyone else for that matter needs? I agree, in principle. You keep bringing up these
60 Jamesag96: "Who the hell are you in telling me that someone worth millions and millions really needs another hundred thou? You expect me to believe that someone
61 Jamesag96: "Imagine that everyone had an MBA. How much would the average MBA-qualified employee be able to command?" If everyone had one...nut much. The problem
62 Rjpieces: Europe may indeed not have liked every decision made by Clinton, but there's a big difference between a President who sometimes needs to take decision
63 Slider: Rjpieces- solid post overall. I would disagree with the notion that Kerry would fight terror in a similar manner as Bush. He's said that he--like Clin
64 Cumulonimbus: Wow Slider you have me thinking. I must say that your post was very interesting and you seem to have some insight on this subject. I really do not ha
65 Scorpio: Of course there is a difference. However, it doesn't change the fact that Clinton was more or less doing the same thing as Bush is (unilateralism), To
66 Slider: Wow Slider you have me thinking. I must say that your post was very interesting and you seem to have some insight on this subject. I really do not hav
67 Dan-air: And I for one am sick and tired of the incessant never-ending America bashing. I for one am sick and tired of Bush ass-lickers that confuse dissent wi
69 NonRevKing: A better question would be, with Bush's horrible track record, how is this race even close? Easy! We have a large amount of seriously dumb motherfucke
70 JeffM: If anyone knows simple.... that would be you. Go easy on yourself.... it seems your a little tense? LOL
71 NonRevKing: Quite a zinger from the one who always adds so much to the conversation... Come on Jeff, you work for an airline, you know how dumb these people are!
72 JeffM: "Come on Jeff, you work for an airline, you know how dumb these people are!" LOL... No, sorry, I have no desire to work for an airline, but yes, I hav
73 NonRevKing: You dont work for Frontier? Or am I getting you and Tim Samples mixed up again? B
74 JeffM: Again? You mean you've done this in the past? Just kidding. Tim used to work for Frontier, I just fly 'em and shoot 'em.
75 NonRevKing: "Shoot 'em"? You don't mean Tim right? I heard you're a gun nut! Yeah I get you guys mixed up all the time. Tim if you're reading this, I apologize. B
76 JeffM: No, wouldn't shoot Tim, just with him when he is not doing that pilot sh*t. Not, a gun nut, don't even own one, really have no need for one.
77 L410Turbolet: Even more, when you look at the new Eastern European republics, you see free societies who have a greater appreciation (not to mention support) of and
78 Na: The responses here are 100% what I expected. Bush supporters in the majority respond blind, loud, careless, brutal and full of ignorance. ConcordeBoy
79 Slider: Lot of good posts. The problems I have with Bush are myriad and I've vented on that previously. I would have a very difficult time pulling the lever f
80 Dc10guy: There are no good reasons to vote for Bush, Even though I will vote for Kerry I don't feel he will win. Bush's people (he just a puppet and not smart
82 NWA742: There are no good reasons to vote for Bush, Even though I will vote for Kerry I don't feel he will win. Bush's people (he just a puppet and not smart
83 Dc10guy: Yes I have noticed NWA742, This year there will be Observers watching the election ... The 2000 election was a sham of a scam ... I don't thin this ye
84 NWA742: The 2000 election was a sham of a scam ... I don't thin this years will be any different. Wait, so you're saying that Bush and his people rigged the 2
85 Dc10guy: Yes I do think That the 2000 Florida election was "fixed" my Jeb Bush and his clan ... And I do feel they will do it again.
86 NWA742: Yes I do think That the 2000 Florida election was "fixed" my Jeb Bush and his clan ... And I do feel they will do it again. What can I say..........be
87 Schoenorama: Slider: "He's said that he--like Clinton--consider terrorism a matter for law enforcement not overt military action. That approach is fundamentally fl
88 Vafi88: I think Scorpio put into GREAT prespective here... but there's a big difference between a President who sometimes needs to take decisions against the
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