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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2772 posts, RR: 9
Posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2620 times:

My father got offered a job at a company which has branches in both Houston, TX, and Orlando, FL. At first, he really wanted to go to Orlando, because it was in Florida (obviously), and for some reason, he really likes it there. But, he hasn't yet been to Houston. The rest of my family wants to go to Houston more than Orlando, I'd be thankful if some of you Houston and Orlando natives/residents could help point out the pros and cons of each place. I've put together a small list for each city.

-Hot all the time
-Close to the ocean/gulf
-Cheap(er) housing than most of America
-Sometimes it's too hot
-Humidity (all fixed  Big grin)
-Some of the nicer suburbs are far from West/Northwest Houston, where the company is located
-Rain (I've heard there is loads of it during summer)

-Hot for ~9 months of the year
-There's always things to do
-Not a whole lot of rainy days, except in summer
-Those damn little bugs
-Humidity can be a bitch
-Cold nights from November to February
-Damn traffic is terrible, especially on I-4
-Too many tourists
-Somewhat expensive housing compared to Houston/Syracuse (where I currently live)

I've come to the conclusion I know a lot about Orlando isn't fun, but we wouldn't be living in the city itself, in one of the Suburbs of either city. My Dad wants to move to either Katy or Woodlands, TX if we go to Houston; Lake Mary or Altamonte Springs, FL if we go to Orlando.
Add to the list and/or verify mine, please  Smile! I need to convince him that Houston would be better than Orlando!

[Edited 2004-08-07 00:44:56]

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User currently offlinePhxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

No Humidity, are you insane. Houston is extremely humid, its on the gulf coast. It might not be as bad as Florida, but you are only 2 hours drive from the swamps and bayou's of Louisiana. That being said, Houston is not that bad of a place. It has anything you could possibly want as far as culture and even sports. There are plenty of decent schools in the area like Rice and Houston. As well as if you're parents like to gamble, it only about an hour and a half to Lake Charles which has plenty of nice casinos. I have a friend who live in Orlando, who has family in Houston. And who complains every time she has to go back home. Good luck in your persuation.

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2603 times:

Some random thoughts from someone who used to live in Daytona Beach (up the road from Orlando), and has visited Houston many times:

If you're thinking of Altamonte Springs, it's just a continuation of Orlando, not a whole lot of difference, definitely not out in the boonies.

The Woodlands outside Houston is cool, a bit distant from Houston (20 miles, perhaps), and a ways beyond IAH. Nice town, though. I went to a conference there a few years, also a party at a local residence, very nice area.

Houston does have the humidity, don't kid yourself that it doesn't. Traffic can also be a complete mess, and the metro-Houston area is large, so it can get take a while to get anywhere.

Houston does have something Orlando doesn't, though: year-round professional sports (Astros/Rockets/Texans vs only the Magic).

Great golf around Orlando, and the beach is no more than 50 miles away.

All in all, out of those two choices, I'd take Orlando.

Tom at MSY

"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineNonrvsmdmf From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2588 times:

I live on the south side by Johnson Space Center.

If you are not ready for a big city its best to avoid Houston.

It does not matter what time you are out, there is always
traffic. The highway system sucks. The drivers are horrible
so make sure you have good insurance and drive defensive
all the time.

The sports are great, the beach is close (not Galveston please). It is
a very diverse city. There is even a reproduction of the
Great Wall of China in Katy.

If you want to get away, it will take a few hours of driving.

Houston has the best renaissance festival I have
ever been to in Magnolia. It takes an entire weekend to go through the
whole thing.

You will be fine if you move to the Woodlands. Don't move any
further south unless you are outside the loops.

We get some rain, a nasty tropical storm a few years ago and
a brush with a hurricane last year. The humidity and the heat
from April to September can be out of this world.

Forget about never smelling mildew, getting out of the shower and
being dry and your pets not being guarded from fleas.

I have never been to Florida so I cannot comment.

I did not forget...I just misplaced the thought...
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

The great part of Houston is entirely encompassed in the 610 Loop. There is NO reason to venture out of it except to:

a) go to either airport for a flight;
b) go to the Galleria to go shopping.

The suburbs are basically the same, lame housing tracts you see anywhere--cheap construction at cheap prices. If your going to live in a big city---LIVE in the city. Every restaurant, club, or museum of notoriety is within a ten mile radius of downtown...the only exception I can think of is the Johnson Space Center in Clear Lake.

Woodlands? You've got to be kidding! More like Ganglands!

But hey...to each their own!

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2772 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

"Woodlands? You've got to be kidding! More like Ganglands!"

I thought the Woodlands was a nice area?! It's supposed to be, anyway... Could you suggest a nicer area, Greg, or anyone else for that matter? I mean one with good schools, nice houses, and low crime, lol.

User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Both cities are great world class cities but if I had a choice I would go with Houston. Houston has a cheaper cost of living, Houston has IAH which is a lot larger than MCO, and Houston is also a much larger city. Houston is currently the 4th largest city in the U.S. and continues to grow. Also they have one of the most modern skylines in the U.S.

Orlando is also a great city with a lot to do. Both cities have traffic problems but in Orlando you will deal with more damn tourists. Altomonte Springs is ok but Maitland and Winter Park are closer to downtown (Winter Park is only 4 miles from downtown Orlando). I am a big fan of Winter Park since its very close to downtown and it is also a very nice community that doesent have a lot of shitholes. Speaking of Winter Park, I am currently trying to get on with Winter Park Police Dept.

Either way you cant go wrong.


User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

I can't say anything about Orlando, as I haven't been there in 20+ years. But I have been in Houston for 28+. I love this town!

To address some of the issues above:

* The Woodlands = Ganglands? Right. No other part of town has crime.  Insane
* There is plenty to do outside the Loop: get out of the Inner Loop is the best that pops to mind.
* Clubs in Houston are garbage and 99% of them will be something else next year.
* World-class dining with everything from high-dollar/trendy continental cuisine to the mismatched-chairs Vietnamese fast food joints.
* The suburbs are cookie-cutter homes, but the schools are top-notch. I'd rather have my child drop out than attend Houston ISD schools.
* The traffic bites. Rush hour lasts 6am - 10am and 2pm - 8pm. We even have traffic jams in the small hours of the morning.
* Mosquitoes that show up on RADAR and cause engine damage to small planes.
* Absence of terrain. Wanna see mountains? Go to Colorado. The Hill Country - while a bit barren - is welcome respite from the big city, though.
* World-class museums (art, health, natural science, etc...)
* Astros, Texans, Rockets, Aeros, Comets (sort of)
* Proximity to the coast. The beaches aren't fantastic, but the fishing is superb.

That's just a start.


User currently offlineSaxman66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

Well I will comment on Houston also:

Houston is 2nd in terms in the number of arts and culture things going in the city (musicals, concerts, shows, plays). It is second behind New York. If there are kids going to secondary school or elementary school, outside the beltway is the place to live. The school are very good there with lots of extracurricular things to do. (some of the best high school music programs are in Houston)

I lived in League City which is down in Clear Lake area. Kemah Boardwalk is 3 miles away, and the fish markets are right there too. The Woodlands is another very nice area to live. I think Katy is a little far but its nice too. If you work in the 610 loop, you can most likely catch the Metro Express busses which run along all the major corridors on the HOV lanes. It'll save you traffic and gas money. If you wanna live closer to downtown, the northwest side is the best. There are some pretty places around Rice Univ. the museums, and the along the Katy freeway.


Ride Amtrak!
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Northwest is best? Not really.
Greatest jump in property values is from downtown straight west toward memorial and the galleria. And there are many affordable (under $300K) large townhomes with backyards---but few single family dwellings.

There are still some home near Ella and TC Jester...but I think they long ago got relatively expensive. Is that the area your talking about???

User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Houston sucks.

There is miserable traffic, it is horribly crowded, the cost of living is High (for Texas). As for shopping at the Galleria.. There wasn't much in there I really had any intention of trying to afford. It may be one of the biggest malls on earth but I think it is also in contention for most expensive while lacking some stores you find in any other mall.

Also, there is a reason Houston is sometimes called the Detroit of Texas.. Hang out there for a while and you will get it.

One advantage to TX: no state income tax.. most areas just pay around an 8% sales tax and alcohol and cigarettes apparently cost an arm and a leg here, I didn't think the taxes on those two things were much higher than Ohio though.

The good part about Houston, a real baseball team (much better than that fake baseball they have in Arlington). The Astros don't totally suck (they do suck this year however) and they have a great stadium.

User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Sucks? I wouldn't go that far, but everyone has their opinion. I can't stand San Antonio, but that's my personal taste. I know our traffic is bad, but we're not the only city in the Union with the problem.

Yeah, the Galleria is partly high-end. So's Rivercenter. The rest of the Galleria has the same stores in every other mall in the US. You want a hoity-toity mall? Visit Ala Moana in Honolulu. Makes the Galleria look cheap.

"Detroit of Texas"? Been here 28+ yrs. and have never heard the term. There are worse places: Corpus Christi, the Panhandle, etc. I'm just happy we're not the "San Antonio of Texas."  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineBushcheney2004 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

As nice as Orlando is it is completely tourism no matter where you are. Everybody who lives there works for one of the amusement parks. On the other hand, in Texas there are a lot of Republicans  Smile

User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1618 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Orlando is a great place to live. It's fast-growing and diverse. Sure it has its problems, but most major cities in this country do. Traffic can be hectic, especially on I-4 and the Orange Blossom Trail during rush hour, but all major cities have a lot of traffic. There are a lot of tourists, and they can be a pain, but generally the farther you are from the theme parks they better off you'll be.  Big grin

Everybody who lives there works for one of the amusement parks.

That's not true.

On the other hand, in Texas there are a lot of Republicans

More reason not to live there!  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Houston like Detroit???? I don't think so.
Go throught the Chamber of Commerce Statistics and the 2000 Census statistics, Houston has:
--far less violent crime
--more income per capita
--not state taxes
--stronger corporate base (I'll give you that Enron what a fiasco)
--higher educated workforce
--actually LESS traffic
--more parks and city designated recreation area
--higher percentage of restaurant per capita (higher even than NYC).
--more museums, art galleries, and a higher rated Symphony than just about any city than New York.
--cheaper energy and travel costs...

The downside is:
--higher property taxes
--higher sales taxes
--higher auto accident rate
--less policeman/firement per capita
--cost of living has been rising for the last seven years
--five times the annual rain of Detroit

While it's not a garden, I've never heard Houston..or any city in Texas other than McAllen be referred to as a slum.

User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

A few of my friends comment about Houston at the bar and I hope it's not the only reason why they want to move down there (a sexual comment).

I've never been to Houston, but trained in Dallas for little over a month and would say I could see myself living down there... didn't seem to expensive rent/home wise.

User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Don't get me wrong.. SAT sucks the sweat off KROCs nuts too.. I have been to Houston a few times and I have no love of the place, it just happens to be even less love than I have for SAT.

Texas in general has a few plusses... No state income tax, but I think Florida has the same thing to offer. State politics are also entertaining and the weather is dull and predictable, probably a lot like Florida. I still say the cost of living is pretty high in Houston, I know it is much much higher than SAT, then again I don't know what it would be like in Orlando. The outskirts of Houston may be cheaper though..

Comparing Rivercenter and the Galleria is comparing apples and oranges. Rivercenter is just another mall with the same stores you find in any given mall, the Galleria has stores I doubt you would see in too many malls. Rivercenter and the riverwalk do make nice places for us to keep all the tourists penned up though so they stay out of the rest of the city. They pay inflated prices in stores, eat subpar food and pay out the ass for it, then promise to come back next year. Oh and don't forget SATs 21% total taxes on hotels.. Gotta pay for the Spurs somehow.

User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Don't pay attention to dipshit...or AA777flyer as he is apparently known here.

What blue laws are you talking about?

I live not too far from Houston, and have been to Orlando several times in the last few years.

With all things considered it is really a coin toss. Weather is comparable, politics are comparable, but I wouldn't be able to deal with Tourists and FSU/UF/Miami fans.

I'd pick Houston, Northwest Houston along 290 maybe out to Fairfield.

Does Orlando still have the Monsters of the Mid-Day on the radio?

Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

The only remnant of Blue Laws is car dealerships can only be open Saturday OR Sunday, but not both.

Yeah, TX is hot. I see by your profile you're from Las Vegas. Right. No heat there.

Flat? No. The Hill Country isn't the Rockies, but they aren't molehills, either.

User currently offlinePl4nekr4zy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

First off, let me say that I'm responding to this without taking the time to entirely read through all the replies, so I appoligize if I'm repeating anything others might have already said.

I was born in Houston and currently live here (Kingwood, to be exact), but my parents are from Orlando, so I've been going there 2-3 times a year practically my whole life, so it's like my second home. Both places have their ups and downs. But hands down, I would much rather live in Orlando over Houston any day, that is for sure. Here's a few of the reasons...

Let's start with the weather. Generally, Houston has more of a winter than Orlando, which is one thing I do like about Houston weather. But in the summer, the heat and humidity in Houston is almost unbearable. While it's just as hot in Orlando, the humidity in Houston is way worse, and that's what's makes it so bad here.

Then there's traffic. Yeah it can be bad in Orlando, but nothing like it is here in Houston. Houston is way more crowded, on and off the roads. Plus, the roads are so so so much nicer and cleaner in Orlando.

While people in Orlando may get annoyed by the tourists, Houston has to put up with all the immigrants, illegal and not. And just the fact that central Florida attracts so many tourists, while Houston attracts practically none should tell you something. And I saw above where someone said everyone in Orlando works for a theme park... not true at all!

When it comes to places to live, they both have nice areas and not so nice areas. You mentioned the Woodlands as a place you might live if you move here, great choice! The Woodlands is one of my favorite places around here. They have a great mall and tons of good retaurants. I'm not that familiar with all the places to live in Orlando, but there are some really really nice areas where famous athletes and such live. One of my favorite areas is Winter Park, some really nice older houses there.

If you're a fan of beaches, (and you had better be if you move to FL 'cause you're missing out if you're not!) Orlando wins again. Obviously neither Houston nor Orlando is on the coast, but Orlando is not a far drive from Daytona Beach and many others. Although I personally would reccomend St. Augustine near Jacksonville, as it is not near as crowded as Daytona. I guess most people in Houston venture to Galveston, but that beach is just nasty compared to anything in Florida.

When it comes to comparing the 2 cities' major airports, well IAH is deffinately bigger, but I am a huge fan of MCO, a very nice airport IMO, with a nice varriety of planes and airlines if you're intterested in spotting.

Then there's the apsect of professional sports teams, an important one to me. I would miss going to Astros games very much if I moved away from Houston! And although Orlando doesn't have a MLB team, the Astros' spring training is in Kissimmee, which isn't far from Orlando at all, about an hour drive I think. The Braves also have Spring Training at some Disney complex in Orlando too, I think. I'm also a much bigger Rockets fan the Magic. Don't really care about hockey or the WNBA. Insane

Well geez, I could go on forever about the things I like about Orlando more than Houston, but I think you've got the picture by now that I choose Orlando over Houston any day. Big thumbs up

"Don't forget to bring a towel!"
User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Actually-IAH777, I was only in LAS for 6 mos, left moved on now in SF.
And Texas does SUCK. Nothin in Texas but steers and queers. Since I have never seen a steer with a computer you must be......

User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

"Since I have never seen a steer with a computer you must be......"

This from a guy that left Las Vegas for San Francisco.

Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Well, this AA777flyer is clearly very bitter...and unemployed.
And judging by his juvenile posts it fairly clear why!

Houston's a great city...not to dismiss Orlando...but unless your idea of culture is Mickey Mouse...Orlando is a cultural vacuum compared to Houston (or Dallas...). And, of course, in Houston you are just hours away (or a WN flight) to Dallas, Austin, the Hill Country, New Orleans, and Galveston (stay on the Bolivar side!)

When your young is makes little difference...once you get out ofy our mid twenties--the cultural aspects are something to consider.

User currently offlineCoTXDFW777AA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

AA777flyer- I think it is funny you bash Texas so much and your name is a Texas based company. Oh yeah there is nothing in Texas, steers, queers, American Airlines hq, Continental HQ, WN HQ, Dell HQ, Nasa HQ, most oil companys and of course the worlds best steak. Oh and I forgot Andy Roddick and Lance Armstrong live and train in AUS, TEXAS.

Texas- it's like a whole different country!
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 7284 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2360 times:

I can't speak much to Orlando, to be honest, outside of having been on vacation and work several times.

I live in Kingwood presently, and have been a TX resident for over 2 years now. I'm originally a Midwesterner who loves winter, so you can imagine the climate shock as this is the furthest south I've lived of the 7 major cities I've lived in throughout my life.

I like Houston a lot, but the funny thing is I have a hard time explaining why. My wife and I were just talking about this in fact. Summers are an abysmal oppressive swamp, but so is Orlando. Nice to golf in January though, but you can do that in Orlando as well.

Cost of living is awesome here. Absolutely favorable to families, small businesses, Fortune 500 companies (18 are HQ here, more than any other city outside of NYC). Housing is the most affordable of the top 25 largest US cities--don't underestimate that, because it's easier to build weath here than in many places. the downside is that property taxes are very high--oppressively so, but on par with WI, MN and IL and still below that of CA and NY. Zoning is almost non-existent, so there is a lot of inconsistency with that, but not in master planned areas or cities (ala Kingwood, Woodlands).

Houston is a very friendly city overall, and if diversity is your thing, it's definitely got that in spades. Not only culturally, but more restaurants per capita than anywhere in the US. Also, a vibrant theater district, with more theater seats than NY if I'm not mistaken.

PanAm330- Where will he be working? Downtown? If so, I'd avoid Katy like the plague unless he wants to spend his life in a car. There are a lot of great developments throughout the Metro area. I'm househunting now and looking in Sprnig, The Woodlands, Kingwood, and as far north as Conroe as well. I like the northside a great deal.

No state income tax is huge. Vehicle registration very affordable.

Plus, it's Texas man! What else is there to say?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy The birthplace of the Republic of Texas is just outside Houston as well; the San Jacinto Monument. Lots of attractions, tourist stuff, things to do, plus Hill Country not far away. Sports teams- if that's his thing certainly avail people as well.

Overall, I do enjoy living here a lot.

25 Post contains images PanAm330 : Thanks for all of the replies, guys! I didn't expect such feedback, but that's why I love the Airliners.net forums . I sat down with my father earlier
26 Delta767300ER : AA777Flyer, Texas is my favorite state actually. Their is a lot of flat hot stinky states in the U.S. as well as a few bible thumping states. I have v
27 Post contains images Homer71 : No big deal, Alpha1 hates Texas and he works for Continental...
28 Post contains images Jamesag96 : I think a more appropriate question would be "What is right about University of Miami fans?"
29 ORBITJFK : Hey, I love Texas. Everything about it. It's southern, without getting too southern (if you know what I mean). Florida is nice, but wayyyyyy too many
30 Post contains images PanAm330 : Just a little comment to keep the thread alive . Thanks again all you guys for responding. But, what are the nicer suburban areas west of Houston. Mos
31 IAH777 : Jeez...nicer outlying areas? This could take a while. I grew up in Sugar Land (First Colony), a master-planned community. For excellent schools, go wi
32 Drerx7 : Native Houstonian here I love it. The cons are that its hot and humid as hell and traffic can be beastly, its not aesthetic like San Francisco or Seat
33 Delta767300ER : You are right about Florida being more Hick! I have been to all the deep South states and I have to say some of the most hardcore rednecks I have ever
34 Homer71 : I don't know what price range you're looking at, but for NW Houston, there's Copperfield (Cy-Fair ISD), Fairfield (Cy-Fair ISD) and Champions (Cy-Fair
35 Aaron747 : I hate both cities, though if I had to choose I'd live in Houston. At least there are *some* urban living options with all the redevelopment downtown.
36 Post contains links Saigonhouston : PanAm330..........Katy might be close for your Dad place of employment. But Katy freeway traffic is horrible. They are working to expand the I10 Katy
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