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Kerry Defends Iraq Vote, Then Flip Flops  
User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

John Kerry admitted that had he known then what he knows now, he would have voted the same way. Then he immediately flip flopped and attacked Bush for going to war. Of course, the CNN story conveniently neglected to word it that way, but if you watch what he said on TV, it's pretty clear.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/09/kerry.iraq/index.html

GRAND CANYON NATIONAL PARK, Arizona (CNN) -- Democratic presidential nomiee John Kerry said Monday he would not have changed his vote to authorize the war against Iraq, but said he would have handled things "very differently" from President Bush.

Bush's campaign has challenged Kerry to give a yes-or-no answer about whether he stood by the October 2002 vote which gave Bush authority to use military force against Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

The question of going to war in Iraq has become a major issue on the campaign trail, especially in light of the fact that no weapons of mass destruction have been found there.

Intelligence reports that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction was a major rationale for going to war.

The U.S. senator from Massachusetts said the congressional resolution gave Bush "the right authority for the president to have."



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User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

WOW What a moron ... That's almost as bad as Dubya being against the 911 commission and then adopting their idea for a "intelligence zar" because the polls supported it .... Dubya is a flip flopping fool he's just made the name stick on Kerry.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

Kerry isn't against this war, as many seem to believe. Kerry is against going to war almost completely alone and with no 'peace-plan' for the difficult period after major combat. Those are his points and the major problems the US is facing right now.


Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!
User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

The name sticks because there's a 20 year Senate voting record to support it, not to mention Kerry coming home from Vietnam the heroic antiwar protester, and now wrapping himself in the flag and accepting the title of War Hero.


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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

Kerry is against going to war almost completely alone and with no 'peace-plan' for the difficult period after major combat. Those are his points and the major problems the US is facing right now.

Schoen.... I'm against both of those things too. My main point of contention with John Kerry is he has not given us even a clue as to how he's going to "get our allies to share the load" more than they already are. The British are our closest allies and they're already in Iraq. So how is he going to get France and Germany to "share the load?" That is the central question.



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User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

At least Kerry CAN speak in public ... Dubya seems to have a problem saying what he's been told to say ....


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

As is generally the rule, it's only a matter of time until the Bush haters stoop to the personal attacks.


It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, April 22, 1971: "In our opinion, and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam, nothing which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Vietnam, Cambodia, or Laos by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to us the height of criminal hypocrisy, and it is that kind of hypocrisy which we feel has torn this country apart...."

Speech to DNC, July 29, 2004: "I defended this country as a young man and I will defend it as President. Let there be no mistake: I will never hesitate to use force when it is required."


How can you defend the country against a non-existent threat?

****

1998: Kerry Willing To Commit Ground Troops In Iraq. KERRY: "I think there is a disconnect between the depth of the threat that Saddam Hussein presents to the world and what we are at the moment talking about doing. ... [T]hen we have to be prepared to go the full distance, which is to do everything possible to disrupt his regime and to encourage the forces of democracy." ABC’S COKIE ROBERTS: "And does that mean ground troops in Iraq?" KERRY: "I am personally prepared, if that’s what it meant." (ABC’s "This Week," 2/22/98)

2002: Kerry Agrees With Goal Of Regime Change In Iraq. "I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq ..." (Sen. John Kerry, Speech To The 2002 DLC National Conversation, New York, NY, 7/29/02)

2003: Kerry Said Iraq Resolution "Did Not Empower President To Do Regime Change." KERRY: "And the fact is, in the resolution that we passed, we did not empower the President to do regime change." (NBC’s "Meet The Press," 8/31/03)

*****

LOS ANGELES TIMES’ DOYLE McMANUS: "If that amendment does not pass, will you then vote against the $87 billion?" (CBS’ "Face The Nation," 9/14/03)

KERRY: "I don’t think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That’s irresponsible. What is responsible is for the administration to do this properly now. And I am laying out the way in which the administration could unite the American people, could bring other countries to the table, and I think could give the American people a sense that they’re on the right track. There’s a way to do this properly. But I don’t think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We’re not going to cut and run and not do the job." (CBS’ "Face The Nation," 9/14/03)

2004: Kerry "Proud" He And Edwards Voted Against $87 Billion Supplemental. KERRY: "I’m proud to say that John [Edwards] joined me in voting against that $87 billion..." (Sen. John Kerry, Remarks At "Women’s Voices: A Luncheon with John Kerry," Boston, MA, 7/12/04)

Speech to DNC, July 29, 2004: "You don't value families if you force them to take up a collection to buy body armour for a son or daughter in the service...."





--B2707SST

[Edited 2004-08-10 03:51:57]


Keynes is dead and we are living in his long run.
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1428 times:

Testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, April 22, 1971: "In our opinion, and from our experience, there is nothing in South Vietnam, nothing which could happen that realistically threatens the United States of America. And to attempt to justify the loss of one American life in Vietnam, Cambodia, or Laos by linking such loss to the preservation of freedom, which those misfits supposedly abuse, is to us the height of criminal hypocrisy, and it is that kind of hypocrisy which we feel has torn this country apart...."

Speech to DNC, July 29, 2004: "I defended this country as a young man and I will defend it as President. Let there be no mistake: I will never hesitate to use force when it is required."


No truer statement could have been made !!! 58K Americans where killed there for what ??? And now the same thing is happening in Iraq. What did Bush have to say about the Vietnam war ???



Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1422 times:

You missed the point:

"there is nothing in South Vietnam... that realistically threatens the United States of America"

"I defended this country as a young man"

So was Vietnam a defense of America or was it a senseless, pointless war? Not surprisingly, Kerry seems to think it was both.

I would write this off as a slip if it were a one-time event, but Kerry has made his service in Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign. In his testimony, he accuses his fellow US servicemembers of committing war crimes against the Vietnamese: "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Now he talks about his "band of brothers." Which is it?

--B2707SST



Keynes is dead and we are living in his long run.
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1411 times:

I don't see it that way ... He was called to duty so he went, saw it was wrong and fought to make it end ... I would say that was a great thing.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1402 times:

John Kerry admitted that had he known then what he knows now, he would have voted the same way. Then he immediately flip flopped and attacked Bush for going to war.

A typical, misleading conservative statement. Kerry said he wouldn't have gone to war without a plan to win the peace, which the Bush Administration certainly didn't have, if you look at their bumbling and fumbling last summer. It was only AFTER the "Mission Accomplished" idiocy, and when the war didn't stop, that the Administration started to seriously start looking at a plan for the peace.

Maybe if you had read everything Kerry said, you might find that out. But you don't want to find out what really happened, because that would ruin the lie you're putting out.


User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1395 times:

Another pitiful attempt to label Kerry with the tired old "flip-flop" handle. If we wanted to have a "flip-flop" war between Bush and Kerry, we'd need a whole new dictionary for Bush to accompany all the published "Bushisms".

Now how about the biggest presidential flip-flops of all. Bush is on the record for stating he is against "nation building". Then he invaded Iraq to effect regime change.....



[Edited 2004-08-10 05:44:05]

User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1392 times:

CNN can't even spell "NOMINEE" correctly so why should I believe this article?

Also, I'd rather have Kerry as President than a guy who thinks 9/11 happened on 9/14.

In the end, the race will come down to The Monkey vs Mr. Ed.



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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

from my profile:



hehe

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