B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 20 Posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1968 times:
Bin Laden hints major assassination
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
U.S. intelligence officials say a high-profile political assassination, triggered by the public release of a new message from Osama bin Laden, will lead off the next major al Qaeda terrorist attack, The Washington Times has learned.
The assassination plan is among new details of al Qaeda plots disclosed by U.S. officials familiar with intelligence reports who, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the killing could be carried out against a U.S. or foreign leader either in the United States or abroad.
The officials mentioned Saudi Arabia and Yemen, two nations that are working with the United States in the battle against al Qaeda, as likely locales for the opening assassination.
The planning for the attacks to follow involves "multiple targets in multiple venues" across the United States, one official said.
The new details of al Qaeda's plans were found on a laptop computer belonging to arrested al Qaeda operative Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan of Pakistan.
"We're talking about planning at the screwdriver level," one official said. "It is very detailed."
Khan was arrested July 13 in Lahore, Pakistan, along with Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, a Tanzanian who was indicted in the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa and was on the FBI's list of most-wanted terrorists.
U.S. and allied counterterrorism officials are pursuing leads on other terrorists based on the data from Khan's seized laptop. At least one arrest in Britain has been made so far, and others are expected, the officials said.
Additionally, U.S. intelligence officials said they think that several al Qaeda terrorists already in the United States are part of the plot, although their identities and locations are not known.
The targets, in addition to the financial institutions in New York, Washington and Newark, N.J., that have been the subject of public warnings, include such economic-related targets as oil and gas facilities with a view toward disrupting the November election.
"The goal of the next attack is twofold: to damage the U.S. economy and to undermine the U.S. election," the official said. "The view of al Qaeda is 'anybody but Bush.' "
QIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1948 times:
uuuuhhh. Anything But Bush? But Bush haven't been in power all the time. What about all the other attacks they have made when Bush wasn't in the office. It doesn't matter who's in the office. The terrorists wont stop anyway.
Phxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1927 times:
There is a reason Bin Laden can't stand him. If someone had been trying to kill you for the better part of 2 1/2 years wouldn't you want him gone? Especially when his opponent wants to fight a kinder, gentler, and more sympathetic war on terrorism.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5925 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1884 times:
Isn't it actually the other way around? Doesn't terrorist attack shortly before the elections with "effort to undermine the elections" resulting in increased atmosphere of fear among the population actually increase the chances of Dubya getting reelected?
Neither Bush nor the quoted intelligence "official" is THAT stupid not to know it.
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5297 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1861 times:
Especially when his opponent wants to fight a kinder, gentler, and more sympathetic war on terrorism.
You've just got to love how some of our resident right-wingers here always manage to twist whatever it was Kerry said. Tell me, Phxairfan, where was it that Kerry said he was going to deal with the terrorists in a 'kinder, gentler and more sympathetic way'?
Garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5553 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1791 times:
B757300, you've said some idiotic and downright stupid things in the past, but now I realize that your head is shoved so far up your rectum that you need a window in your stomach to see where you're going.
Do you really think Bn Laden will magically stop hating America if Kerry wins? That minutes after Kerry secures the votes to lock up the electoral college, al Jazeera will air the latest bin Laden tape in which he states that "now that John Kerry is in power, America will never be attacked again?" If you believe that, you're much dumber than I ever thought you were. Bin Laden, al Qaeda and other Islamic fundamentalists hate our way of life and what America stands for, no matter who's in power. They hate the notion that a woman can exercise her potential just as effectively as a man does, they hate the notion that all have (or should have) equal access to education, and most importantly they despise the fact that we're currently the only hegemon standing.
Further, let's really examine that article. The attack "could be carried out against either a US or foreign leader either in the US or abroad." For someone who defended Bush for dismissing a vague PDB that had the title "Bin Laden intends to attack the United States," you're sure putting a fair bit of credence in an, at least, equally ambiguous statement. So we've established that sometime a person in power is going to be assassinated somewhere on planet Earth. That's what I call precise intelligence!
Lastly, let me venture into the realm of the speculative. Why WOULDN'T Bin Laden want Bush reelected? In his tenure, Bush has distanced the US from its allies, has spread our military forces thin, and has engendered anti-American sentiments across the globe and, as a result, al Qaeda's recruitment hasn't suffered as the organization spreads. Sounds to me like Dubya's been pretty GOOD for business.
South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
Iakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3328 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1764 times:
US intelligence officials say...
why would they make this public ?
this must be something new under the sun...
found on a laptop computer
Sure, as all good MS clients, Al Qaeda operatives register their software, type their documents in Word, convert them to Acrobat and toggle the security features ON, and communicate through Outlook.
When will people start to realize that we are all manipulated.
Yanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
Why WOULDN'T Bin Laden want Bush reelected? In his tenure, Bush has distanced the US from its allies, has spread our military forces thin, and has engendered anti-American sentiments across the globe and, as a result, al Qaeda's recruitment hasn't suffered as the organization spreads. Sounds to me like Dubya's been pretty GOOD for business.
What are you thinking? President Geoge W. Bush is the person Al-Qaeda and those thugs hate the most. The President has driven them out of their safety-net in Afghanistan, he has taken a supplyer of Nuclear and Biological Weapons for Bin Laden off the market, and he has exposed the plans of the Iranian government to build a nuclear bomb for their terrorist friends. Now if Gore had won the election, he wouldn't have gone after Bin Laden unless the United Nations and the Taliban had approved it. He wouldn't have gotten rid of a man who had ties to Al-Qaeda and harbored weapons of mass destruction, he wouldn't have exposed the Iranians for what they are.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1730 times:
What are you thinking? President Geoge W. Bush is the person Al-Qaeda and those thugs hate the most.
That's where your dead wrong. They hate Americans, period. They hate all of us, not just George Bush. You're giving Bush, as usual, way too much credit. It doesn't matter WHO is president, they hate us just the same.
he has taken a supplyer of Nuclear and Biological Weapons for Bin Laden off the market
And pray tell, who might that be (like I don't already know what you're going to say, even though it's been disproven over and over again).
Now if Gore had won the election, he wouldn't have gone after Bin Laden unless the United Nations and the Taliban had approved it.
Partisan conjecture on your part. None of us have a fucking clue what would have happened, and your self-induced GOP superiority on it just makes you look like a damn fool. Gore probably would not have started a fool's war in Iraq, that's for sure, and billions of dollars, and a thousand good American would still be alive, and our reputation in the world might still be intact.
So Matthew, thanks for showing yourself to be nothing more than a sop for the Republican Party. It's been very enlightening. Go back to talking about the Yankees, something you're at least halfway smart at.
Iakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3328 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1729 times:
Driven out of their safety net in Afghanistan ???
The very large majority of them are still doing well, thanks.
The few losses they have had have been more than largely compensated.
Afghanistan, despite what Rumsfeld says, is still a Taliban area, except in and around the two major cities.
Taken a supplier of N and B weapons out of the market ???
Supplier had no stock for sale and no production planned.
The plans of the Iranian government ???
Why do you think Halliburton is doing well in IRAN ?
A man who had ties to AQ and harbored WMD ???
You must have suffered from lethargy in the last 467 days, in which case you are excusable.
You do not what Gore would have done, probably himself could only assume what he would have done.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1656 times:
"The view of al Qaeda is 'anybody but Bush."
Well no crap. It's for the same reasons that N. Korea's leader, AND Fidel Castro endorse John Kerry...because they know he won't do shit in the foreign policy arena. Think about it, if you wanted to get away with trouble, wouldn't you desire someone who won't care? They KNOW that Bush is the only one who'll give em hell. I think this is a pretty obvious concept...
Dc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
What is Dubya doing about the threat from North Korea ??? Last I heard he had to take troops from there to fight for his oil in Iraq ... Don't worry about Fidel, if he is voting in Florida it won't count anyway
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1632 times:
It's for the same reasons that N. Korea's leader, AND Fidel Castro endorse John Kerry...because they know he won't do shit in the foreign policy arena.
ROTFLMAO. If you mean "won't do shig in the foreign policy arena", you mean start unnecessary wars; alienate our best friends; piss off 9/10th of the world, and do whatever the hell we please without any thought to the rest of the world, then you're right.
If you mean what you're thinking, you're the one full of crap, DeltaGuy. Amazing that conservatives like yourself actually believe this nonsense that Kerry would hand over our defense to the UN. Funny, I've never known any president to do so, so why is Kerry going to?
Fact is, you guys are so full of shit on this issue, and so bereft of any common sense when it comes to defending Bush, you automatically turn on the other candidate, even though he's just as loyal an American as you, me, Bush or anyone else. What a load of garbage.
MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14968 posts, RR: 61
Reply 22, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1607 times:
Just one thing, which I think gets often confused:
Most Iranians are Shiite muslims.
Al Qaeda are mostly Wahabite Muslims, a very fundamentalist Sunni sect.
Al Qaaeda hates the guts of Shiites because to them they diverted from the true belief.
There is also little love left for Sunni radicals in Iran. Al Qaeda members caught in Iran get hung.
Think about it like Protestants and Catholics during the 16th century.