L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5411 posts, RR: 18 Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 834 times:
USSR + GDR vs. all other countries which weren't doping that much
Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 34 Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 820 times:
Ahem Turbolet you don't actually want to imply that other nations did NOT dope? Hopefully not Problem nowadays is that the USA do have much better and more efficent dope manufacturing facilities than e.g. China so they don't get caught that often. European countries could do that as well but sports isn't as high-ranking in society as in America, subsequently there's not that much to gain money-wise.
I don't quite get the original question, do you really want to know if someone actually believes the UK to grab more medals than the USA???
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5411 posts, RR: 18 Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 814 times:
Andreas,
of course not! I have no illusions. That's why I wrote "doping that much" But for sure you better than I know those sometime very bizzare stories, i.e. that swimmer who suffered a complete sexual identity change due to her (now his) coaches and doctors playing with hormones. I think he was even testifying in court trial against the doctors? Or was it just a parliamentary hearing about doping involvement in the East German sports program in the 70s and 80s, which was only extreme example of what was going on in the whole Eastern bloc, where communists tried to get prestige in sports because their failing system and economies could hardly get any.
Disproportion in number of olympic medals won by East Germany is hardly unnoticeable.
Andreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 34 Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 807 times:
Well I'm a former WEST German, so yes, I heard all those stories...besides I always had myself a good laugh about these woMEN in the blue-white suits ...btw one of them is now a sports commentator on German TV, rumour goes she still has to take hormones in order to get a feminine voice again.
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5411 posts, RR: 18 Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 750 times:
Doping in the USSR teams was no more prevalent than is was for any other country.
Yeah right, Russuphile! How could anything wrong ever happen in your beloved communist paradise?
You mention weightlifters. Add wrestlers, women runners, swimmers,... Ever heard about i.e. those Russian teen gymnasts getting pregnant by their coaches (because female body goes through a major increase in male hormones in early stages of pregnancy and thus boost in strenght, power, etc.), the pregnancy to be aborted in couple of weeks. All this done repeatedly and always well-timed for major events such as Olympics. Doping is wrong, but this is sick.
But since "Pravda" (what a name for a newspaper ) didn't run the story, you won't believe it anyway, I suppose...
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 750 times:
Here's the Top 10 All-Time medal count ranking (up to 2000 Sydney):
1) USA - 2116
2) USSR - 1010
3) GB - 638
4) France - 598
5) Italy - 479
6) Sweden - 469
7) East Germany - 445
8) Hungary - 443
9) Germany - 436
10) Australia - 350
• USA will win medal count in Athens
Now what country has the most medals per capita (hint, they're not on the list above)?
Pacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2698 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 744 times:
L410Turbolet unless you have some accurate and comprehensive figures that show one country used performance enhancing drugs more than another then you are just speculating and/or repeating biased and ill-informed rumour.
All countries used drugs in sport, the extent of which this took place and a verdict on who was worse is premature at this time. Time might tell but not you.
Either (A) quote the sources you have showing the SU was the worst or (B) shut up.
Pacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2698 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 742 times:
Most medals per capita .... again not the winter games - what a laugh .... I say Nauru.
If we want to do this fairly, shouldn't the number of medals be divided by the number of games the country took part in. Some countries were in all the Olympiads and some only very few, for differing reasons of course.
RaginMav From United States of America, joined May 2004, 372 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 733 times:
If we want to do this fairly, shouldn't the number of medals be divided by the number of games the country took part in.
How about a formula that accounts for the number of games compteted in, and the number of athletes fielded at each???
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 733 times:
Most medals per capita .... again not the winter games - what a laugh .... I say Nauru.
PJ, I'm guessing the winter games were factored in considering the #1 country (another hint). And one more, its not some obscure island country that pulled one medal out of their ass; its a pretty major country.
If we want to do this fairly, shouldn't the number of medals be divided by the number of games the country took part in. Some countries were in all the Olympiads and some only very few, for differing reasons of course.
It doesn't really matter? Its not like we're putting money down.
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 731 times:
Actually, we're knackered at this Olympics. The British Olympic Committee is testing each and every entrant multiple times for drugs to ensure (as much as is possible) that not a single one of them can manage to cheat, which is most disappointing as our most promising cheat, Dwayne Chambers looked a good bet to win. This does allow us to whinge for the next four years about how the rest of the world cheated (disgraceful, the lot of you) and we noble Brits didn't, and therefore that is the only reason we didn't top the medal table and us being crap has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
[Edited 2004-08-13 18:27:43]
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 731 times:
Gdabski, very close. Here is the Top 10...
1) Finland
2) Sweden
3) Hungary
4) Norway
5) Denmark
6) Bulgaria
7) New Zealand
8) Switzerland
9) Australia
10) Estonia
Russophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 716 times:
PJ, let's hope he decides option B) and shut's the hell up. For each and every incident of doping in the USSR, I can show him an example of doping in his beloved capitalist paradise.
But funny that clown decided to single out the USSR (East Germany is deserved, because it was rife and standard), but fails to mention a couple of countries which are NOW being surrounded in scandals over doping -- America (track and field), Australia (cycling).
Doping in sport is wrong, and ALL countries have been guilty of this in the past. Going all the way back to the 1950s, when the Americans introduced their atheletes to anabolic steroids.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 707 times:
PJ, let's hope he decides option B) and shut's the hell up. For each and every incident of doping in the USSR, I can show him an example of doping in his beloved capitalist paradise.
Czech Republic is a capitalist paradise?
PJ, the chart says "all years". So I cannot confirm 1906. Also, I didn't mean to begrudge the Nauruian folks their terrific accomplishment! I'm sure it was WELL EARNED!!
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5411 posts, RR: 18 Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 704 times:
For each and every incident of doping in the USSR, I can show him an example of doping in his beloved capitalist paradise.
Just do it, please! Because the attitude had been very much the same pre-1989. Communists in Czechoslovakia failed in every single aspect, be it economy, human rights, environment, etc. so sports was the only way to get some positive international attention and respect - at all costs. I don't think you will match incident by incident, not that they'd be any better, they just did not care that much or were not good enough.
The only difference is that unlike you, I'm not defending things that are just impossible to defend.
It ain't no capitalist paradise here, but 1000x better then when Kremlin was calling the shots, in case you're asking.
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