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User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 816 times:

Vafi88 got a great point in one of the posts. It seems that a lot of kids are on prozac and ritalin for imaginary diseases, like Maniacal Depression or Attention Deficite Disorder. In my opinion it's a bunch of bullsh*t. We do not need to drug our kids, we need to talk to them, and see what they want to do.

Tell me what you think.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 759 times:

I was going to start this topic!

I glad you did An-225.

I totally agree with you!
It is a shame! It is especially a problem with women. It is so common to meet women in there 20s that are so drugged up on legal drugs!
They are being marketed aggressively too. Haven't you seen the TV commercials?

Proscribing drugs for the human brain yet we still don't know everything about the brain.

As for the children, maybe they just need a proper discipline from there parents or less time on airliners.netBig grin
Some kids are just bad and some are just crazy.
This is a problem and I don't see enough effort to stop it.



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User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 752 times:

Yeah, Superfly, I agree. And magazines like Time promote legal drugs too. Also, that's why there are so many birth defects in this country especially - because pregnant mothers are drugged up, and so are their kids. This is a big problem and going to last for a long time.


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User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 751 times:

I think it is to calm down kids in school as there are too many students in the classes for teachers to handle!
Iain


User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 746 times:

But is it worth to drug our best and brightest into submission and stupidity and get them to obey??? I don't think so.


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User currently offlineDG_pilot From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 856 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 743 times:

I pretty much agree with everyone so far. It is a problem.

I believe that many of the cases where kids are on these mind drugs are a result of their parents' own shortcomings raising their children and making them learn how to behave properly. In other words, I think they blame their kids' unruliness on imaginary problems in an effort to infer a "little Jonny is just like that, we can't help it" attitude.

I have witnessed a good number of cases like that.


User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 739 times:

It's not the best and brightest that cause the problems, but the opposite ones, who envy the success of others and use their physical superiority to compensate by bullying the weaker ones...

If the troublemakers could be quieted down with drugs, I'd be all for it. After all, it's probably more humane than corporal punishment.....  Acting devilish

Seriously, though. Are kids in America stuffed with antidepressant drugs? Does it have any positive/negative effect? In Europe, doctors are generally far more conservative in prescribing drugs (even dying people often don't get enough painkillers to die in peace - which is a shame)

Regards

Ikarus


User currently offlineDerek H From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 735 times:

We do not need to drug our kids, we need to talk to them, and see what they want to do.

Well, I think parents need to spend more time with their children, yes. But letting the kid decide what is best, no. Parents are there for a reason, to make the best choices for their children untill the child is capable of making rational decisions for its self. I *think* most kids on these types of drugs are prettty young (under 12). And i dont think they are yet able to make the best decisions for themselves. I think most kids would choose not to take medication, whereas it could and probably is in the childs best intrest to take the medication. So, letting kids make the decision, i dont think that would work. I am for giving kids medication for some aboved mentioned 'dieases'. If it helps them function better in life, go for it.

So, if there were PROVEN alternitive methods to treat these problems, then yes, do away with the drugs. But from what i have heard, there really aren't any other known methods at this point.

But no, kids shoudln't be able to decide if they take the meds or not.


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 736 times:

My cousin is on ritalin she is overly hyper and cannot concentrate in school, if she does not take this medication. She would not be able to learn anything. When she did not take it, a few years back she would sneak out of her room at night and run away with everyone else sleeping. They had to put locks on her doors and windows.

If you are one saying that it should not be used at all well than meet a person with attention deficate disorder(ADD) and than come back and tell me that they should not be taking this drug. Although it is used more than it should be.


User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 718 times:

To better understand my point of view, listen to Jello Biafra's speech on Columbine shootings. It has it all.


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User currently offlineSophieMaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 715 times:

While a lot of doctors prescribe these meds unnecessarily, some kids and adults do still need them. I was given Prozac a while back after a bad breakup of a relationship, and I wasn't "drugged" at all. Perhaps I would have gotten over the whole situation just as well without the meds, but I do think it helped. It is true though that a lot of doctors simply hand out a prescription like a magic pill.

User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 715 times:

Flight152 it sounds more of a case of an uncontrollable child! The doctors say everyone has ADD, heck I bet doctors would say I have ADD just because I act childish, but the fact has it I am quite a bright chap!
Iain


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 711 times:

>It is true though that a lot of doctors simply hand out a prescription like a magic pill.

Oh yes!
It's very unfortunate.
I have a lady friend that had a similar situation you had after a break up. The counselor/Doctor didn't give much advice other than to take Prozac.
She refused to take it.
Prozac my give the illusion that it helps but from all the people I've met that has used the drug has severe mood swings. Thoughts of suicide are common too with this medication. I've read a lot about this drug and it also points out these problems.
What's so sick about these drugs is that Doctors are given incentives for prescribing drugs regardless if it is needed! Pharmaceutical industries don't make a profit off the cure. Getting people hooked is there motive to make a profit!
It's sickening!




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User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 709 times:

Iainhol- No, she has been diagnosed by the doctor otherwise she would not be on the drug and I would not of said anything. People with this disease do those things which is why it is hard to diagnose.

User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 709 times:

Iainhol- No, she has been diagnosed by the doctor otherwise she would not be on the drug and I would not of said anything. People with this disease do those things which is why it is hard to diagnose.

User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 15, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 705 times:

>>>Iainhol- No, she has been diagnosed by the doctor otherwise she would not be on the drug and I would not of said anything. People with this disease do those things which is why it is hard to diagnose<<<

It's an imaginary disease. And Superfly is right - that's why he is on my respected user's list.



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User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 698 times:

An-225 You can think what you want but, intill you have had a case of this in your family you don't know what it is like. Neither of you are doctors.

User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 17, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 695 times:

It's still not the reason to drug her into submission and stupidity. Her kids might have birth defects later on.


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User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 693 times:

She needs to be able to learn in school. That is a good enough reason to use it.

User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 19, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 693 times:

It can be achieved by other methods other than drugs. For some reason European countries do not use the drugs, and education systems there are so much better.


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User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 690 times:

Like what??

User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 21, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 687 times:

Talking to your child is the best way. Spending time with her and not drugging her into submission.


Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3369 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 684 times:

I don't think you understand the disease talking wont do anything.

User currently offlineSophieMaltese From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2064 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 682 times:

Superfly, you're right about the doctors not worrying about much other than writing the script. I didn't even really like the prescribing doc, just saw him because he worked in conjunction with my therapist. The therapist helped a lot. The medical doctor always made me feel uncomfortable, just told me "you have got to get over it..." blah blah blah and wrote me a prescription. I have had another doctor since then try to put me on something because I was feeling a little moody. Now this is not like the time before when I was a basket case missing the love of my life. I told that particular doctor no thank you, no drugs. The Prozac never did make me feel crazy or much of anything dramatic to be honest. Of course, I wasn't on a very high dose. One reason I really don't want to take any drugs like that again is that I now fly and you can't take any type of antidepressant and have a medical. Doctors don't seem to take these things into consideration and just hand out the pills like candy.

User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 24, posted (12 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 679 times:

It's an imaginary disease. Read my post about European kids not being drugged.


Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
25 Flight152 : It's not an imaginary disease look in a doctor or nurse book would ya.
26 An-225 : The doctors are bought out by our "disease industry"
27 Us330 : As someone who was on prozac, but taken off of it, I will attest that it wasn't until I was on prozac that I actually thought about killing myself on
28 An-225 : Ok, I met the real Patch Adams, and he was very much against any of those anti-depressants. His opinion on what kids need to have - it is love, and ca
29 Doomfox : I have a cousin who has ADD and ritalin does work for him. He used to be such a brat that I would not even get near him. Since he started out on rital
30 An-225 : Maybe it worked for him, but it most certainly will have a very negative effect in the future.
31 Flight152 : An-225- You are making all this crap up. The FDA (food and drug administration) makes sure these drugs are safe.
32 An-225 : I am not making it up. FDA is also a part of the drug industry.
33 Vafi88 : What is strange about this, is that no one cares about kids anymore ."Let's drug him up so we can watch tv quietly" and "well he's acting up let's dru
34 An-225 : That's another excellent point, Vafi88. You're on my respected users list!
35 Us330 : Although you bring up a valid point, Vafi, I disagree with you when you say that "All the child needs is love and care to keep him healthy and not tur
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