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Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?  
User currently offlineSaleem From Pakistan, joined Mar 2000, 194 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

I have received an email regarding Why Muslims do not eat PORK.


And there they were, on a flight from Sydney to Afghanistan, seated side by side, two gentlemen from two different worlds.......
After the formalities were covered, the conversation continued......
BOB: Tell me why is it that a Muslim is very particular about the words
Halaal and Haraam ...... What do they mean?

YUNUS: That which is permissible is termed Halaal and that which is not permissible is termed Haraam and it is the Quraan which draws the
distinction between the two.

BOB: Can you give me an example?

YUNUS: Yes, Islam has prohibited blood of any type. You will agree that a
chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an abundance of uric
acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious to human health.

BOB: You're right about the toxic nature of uric acid, in the human being
it is excreted as a waste product....... in fact we are told that 98% of
the bodies uric acid is extracted from the blood by the kidneys and removed
through urination.

YUNUS: Now I think that you'll appreciate the special prescribed method of
animal slaughter in Islam.

BOB: What do you mean ?

YUNUS: You see.....the wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name of the
Almighty, makes an incision through the jugular veins, leaving all other
veins of the neck intact.

BOB: I see.....this causes the death of the animal by a total loss of blood
from the body, rather than an injury to any vital organ.

YUNUS: Yes, were the organs, example the heart, the liver, or the brain
crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its blood would
congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate (spread throughout) the
flesh. This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and
contaminated with uric acid and therefore very poisonous ............only
today did our dieticians realize such a thing.

BOB: Again, while on the topic of food........ Why do Muslims condemn the
eating of pork or ham or any foods related to pigs or swine.

YUNUS: Actually, apart from the Quraan prohibiting the consumption of pig
flesh, ......in fact the Bible too in Leviticus chapter 11, verse
8,.....regarding swine it says, "of their flesh (of the swine) shall you
not eat, and of their carcass you shall not touch; they are unclean to
you."

Further, did you know that a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for it
does not have a neck ..........that is according to its natural anatomy.

A Muslim reasons that if the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for human
consumption the creator would have provided it with a neck. Nonetheless ...
all that aside, I am sure you are well informed about the harmful effects
of the consumption of pork, in any form, be it pork chops..... ham ......
bacon.......

BOB: The medical sciences find that there is a risk for various diseases as
the pig is found to be a host for many parasites and potential diseases.

YUNUS: Yes, even apart from that ....as we talked about uric acid content
in the blood.....it is important to note that the pig's biochemistry
excretes only 2% of its total uric acid content...... the remaining 98%
remains as an integral part of the body. This explains the high rate of
Rheumatism (any of various conditions Characterized by inflammation or pain
in muscles, joints, or fibrous tissue) found in those who consume pork.


I will not be available to answers any comments as it is mid night here, so I will check it again in the motning, after 7 - 8 hours.

Regards and best wishes to all users


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Well, you have also explained the rules for Kosher food, no.

All of this crap made sense oh, about two thousand years ago when we had no provisions for refrigeration and used porous crockery (speration of Milk and Meat in Kosher cooking)

In the 21st century it makes no sense what so ever, be it Halaal or Kosher.

This explains the high rate of Rheumatism (any of various conditions Characterized by inflammation or pain
in muscles, joints, or fibrous tissue) found in those who consume pork


Please back this up with some facts from JAMA, Lancet or even the Arthritis Foundation.


It's a cute throwback to the darkages, and if it helps you think you are closer to god (Jewish or Muslim) fine, but that doesn't make it accurate.



User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Well, that would explain why the population of Mexico is decreasing - those fried blood tacos.

Wait a minute. Mexico city is one of the largest cities on earth. Must be immigrants.

Sorry, I don't take dietary advice from anyone since Adele Davis died (according to herself) from malnutrition and Euell Gibbons died of elm blight.

Guess I have to die of something.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

SlamClick

Euell Gibbons died of elm blight


He always said, that many parts of the pine tree are edible!

you really just dated yourself...LOL


dtwclipper


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39880 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

The Jewish faith forbids eating pork too.


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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1756 times:
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I fully respect the islamic habits and the Quraan .. however, it seems that the muslims live a much more strict life according to the Quraan than Christs do according to the bible.

The Books Moses is full of dont's and do's:
2. Moses 35.2 says that everybody who works on Sabbath has to be killed
3. Moses 19.27 says cutting body hair and shaving is a sin
3. Moses 18.22 says homosexuality is a sin
.. etc.

See, for most parts of the world with a normal civilised tolerant society it's IMPOSSIBLE to live according to the words of god / the bible.

In that case .. kudo's to the Muslims in sticking that hard to their Quraan. Off course only as long as it does not interfere with other cultures and societies ... speak about tolerance

Mario
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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

There's a lot of scientific inconsistencies with this:

Further, did you know that a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for it
does not have a neck ..........that is according to its natural anatomy.


That isn't true. All vertebrates have a neck, some just more pronounced than others. The cervical vertebrae is what makes up the neck...pigs have it.


Yes, Islam has prohibited blood of any type. You will agree that a
chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an abundance of uric
acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious to human health.


Cooking meat at very high temperatures gets rid of most of the uric acid in the blood. Besides, there isn't THAT much of it anyway. You would have to have extremely diseased kidneys and not on dyalysis for a long time before the buildup becomes toxic.


I dont like it when religions use science to justify their beliefs.



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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

I think you guys are missing the point. Saleem is explaining why the prohibition exists. The first step towards a lasting peace has to be for differing parties to gain an understanding of why the other party acts in the manner they do. Out of ignorance comes fear. I think too often groups act out of fear that masks a greater ignorance.



User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Out of ignorance comes fear

And out of ignorance comes faith. Notice how he uses bad science to try and 'explain' why pork is banned?


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

The first step towards a lasting peace has to be for differing parties to gain an understanding

It isn't understanding when a ridiculous statement such as "a pig does not have a neck" is said.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Yeah, I left the "pig doesn't have a neck" remark alone. Too easy and besides it is a wash.

Regis Philbin (Notre Dame grad) once used the giraffe as "evidence" of creation. It is so different from any other animals that it could not be evolved from any common ancestor - right? His guest correctly pointed out that a giraffe is a type of antelope and not so very different from many others except in basic appearance. I think I read that a giraffe has fewer bones in its neck than a sparrow. Not sure if that is correct, but nevertheless . . .

So in the science bee it is still Catholics 0 Muslims 0 and I will not pick on either of you in theology but when you step into other arenas you do leave yourselves open.

I do know that even a snake has a distinct neck, body and tail.






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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
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I have no problem with religious people who wish to follow the covenants of their religions strictly, and even encourage others to do the same. I have a problem when my friends of those religious persuasions can be found enjoying a scotch while they make fun of my BLT.

Religious prohibitions of food were designed to do the same thing every other religious prohibition or exhortation were designed to do....motivate people to behave in a certain manner so as to facilitate a culturally homogeneous (as much as possible anyway), peaceful, and compliant society where people coexist and obey societal mores peacefully allowing those in charge to enjoy their lifestyle with less anxiety over the next revoloution.

That said, while I do not mind observance, and I find hypocrisy irritating, I really find that the people who use their religious edicts as a cause for war and violence to be the worst kind of infectious human detritus.



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User currently onlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6812 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

Pass the bacon please....


 Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

that a giraffe has fewer bones in its neck than a sparrow

This is true. ALL mammals have 7 neck bones. It's a defining feature of the mammalian class. Giraffes have a longer neck because each of these vertebrae are larger and spread farther apart. Birds have about twice as many neck bones than mammals. This is why they can rotate their head more than we can.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Unfortunately, you can cut the jugular vein of an animal and you will still have blood and uric acid left in the body of the critter. So, the so-called scientific reasons are in essence hogwash.

I've seen a goat being killed halaal style during Eid in Pakistan and the slaughter, halaal style, is just a cultural practice now. Interestingly enough, I am sure that PETA would be happy with it. The poor critter appeared to die slowly and peacefully, after which it was made into a delicious biryani.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

I like the way that a Muslim friend said it: "The Quran said that a pig is a dirty animal, so that is why we don't eat." Just leave it at that and keep science out of it, unless you want to get backhanded by scientists.


"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineYhmfan From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 607 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

So, the so-called scientific reasons are in essence hogwash
You cannot say hogwash... it is forbidden...may be nonsense, claptrap or garbage but definitely not hogwash  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Seriously though, I know a lot of Muslims and I respect anyone's practices of their faith. Be it Islam, Judaism or Christianity or anything else. However, I draw the line when people try to present their faith as scientific facts.
You see, the danger is, if you believe your faith is "fact" then you cannot, by definition, respect anyone else with a different set of "facts" and that's when the trouble starts!



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Unfortunately, you can cut the jugular vein of an animal and you will still have blood and uric acid left in the body of the critter. So, the so-called scientific reasons are in essence hogwash

True. People and animals with healthy kidneys filter their whole volume of blood in less than an hour...there really isnt that much uric acid around in the blood.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2256 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

Dtwclipper, well said.


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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

Actually, IIRC, it's not just swine but any clove-hoofed animal, as well as shellfish that are 'forbidden'. That fact, 'seared' into my memory, I'm going down to the Motor City Casino and have a great pork roast with a lobster salad. All those that choose to eat dirt and similar have my blessings. Regards..Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

'It isn't understanding when a ridiculous statement such as "a pig does not have a neck" is said.'


That got a laugh out of me, too.


User currently offlineSaleem From Pakistan, joined Mar 2000, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

I just started that thread as I do not scientific proof of what I presented to all of you and regarding the particular email I received.

I was just sharing as I would like to get knowledge whether those reasoning were correct or not correct.

According to my understanding pork is even in US and Europe is disputed. I have read many articles in different magazine where persons from US and Europe proudly claim that they do not use pork.

If this is true that pork is disputed in other religion and different then there must be some reason, so I would just like to share that.

According to Islamic teachings, almost everything which do not harm is allowed and if any thing which has more injurious to health, may be having some benefits is banned in Islam.

For example, regarding alcohol, Islam says that it may has benefits but the loss is more so it is banned item in Islam.



User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Thank you for your insight, Saleem. I've a Pakistani Muslim friend who could not explain it in the detail you did; that it was against her religion was about it. I hardly eat any pork, myself, mostly due to fat content and a bent for largely keeping meat in general out of my diet. Good to know the why of this.

User currently offlineQr332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Mario - the Quran is definatley much more easy to live with than the Old Testimant, everything it bans makes sense.

About not interfering with other cultures - that only happens cause fundamentilists misinterprate the Quran.

Just leave it at that and keep science out of it, unless you want to get backhanded by scientists.

I've heard that and i've heard the sceintific stuff - I just don't eat it cause the Quran says so, no matter the reason.

The Quran forbids alchohol, and I thank thats justified; maybe a bit is good for you but most people dont just have "a bit".

Also, if we really look at things, smoking would also be considered haram because anything you do where you knowingfully harm yourself is not allowed in Islam.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

All that sugar in alcohol ain't good for you anyway.


And why shouldn't Islam ban pork? Since it shares a lot of similiarities with the OT (which came first, by many centuries). why not?



Pork is much healthier if it is from genuine free-range hogs that eat healthy grass (not soybean meal!) and lots of good bugs (protein) in the grass. That's the same reason why beef from Argentina (where the eat a lot of beef, yet it's grass-fed, not largely soybean-fed, like in the US) has less calories and much less fat than US beef.


25 BA : Guys, you are missing the point with all this talk about "bad science." You forget that this science is based on science from almost 1,400 years ago!
26 Slider : Alcohol is banned simply because it is a hallucinogen. Any serious hallucinagens are banned, so that includes drugs. Sure, small amounts of alcohol wi
27 Mdsh00 : Just because we as Muslims believe that we shouldn't eat pork and drink alcohol, we're not going to criticize all non-Muslims for doing so! Everyone h
28 DeskPilot : ""...Just because we as Muslims believe that we shouldn't eat pork and drink alcohol, we're not going to criticize all non-Muslims for doing so! Every
29 StarCruiser : Saleem, I am very grateful for your post. The more we study and seek to understand other religions, the less likely we are to think they are weird. Th
30 Saleem : Thanks StarCruiser for encouragement Please let me know that whether PORK in USA is acceptable by everyone or it is disputed. Actually according to ce
31 Oly720man : In the past pigs and shellfish were usually found to eat in or around human waste hence the desire not to eat them. There are also the problems of kee
32 Post contains images Mdsh00 : Please let me know that whether PORK in USA is acceptable by everyone or it is disputed. Actually according to certain articles my understanding is th
33 DIJKKIJK : Saleem, I've actually heard that it was considered bad to eat pork in the olden days as pigs weren't domesticated for their meat and all pork used to
34 MD-90 : Pork is very popular, especially ham, bacon, and that wonderful acronym, BBQ (Bar-B-Que). Hogs are actually very efficient animals, and they keep them
35 Post contains images High_flyr69 : Well seen as Islamic Halaal Slaughter is illegal in most westernized countries unless the animal is stunned prior i see i big hypocrisy in all of this
36 DeltaMD11 : Saleem, As a few other people have touched on, pork is a rather popular thing here in the US. Whether it be pork chops, a pork roast, or spare ribs...
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