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Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?  
User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

Just a thought...

It seems like the true winner of the 2004 presidential election is going to be John McCain (see post on "Bush Favors Censorship"). Both Republicans and Democrats are fighting for his approval and support and although as a Republican he is backing Bush he has often come out in Kerry's defense. While this has been happening his popularity and public approval has been skyrocketing which could indicate that he is taking the right position in the middle of the two parties.

The question is, is it possible that he is positioning himself to be the Republican presidential candidate for the 2008 election? Could he possibly run as an independent with Feingold and beat the Republicans and Democrats? If he runs as a Republican could 2008 be H Clinton vs. McCain? Another question is if he ran for president could McCain help to calm all the animosity between the two parties and help stop the great political divide that is occurring in the US?

Would you vote for McCain?


"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
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User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1018 times:

One thing is for sure. I would vote for McCain.
I would never vote for either Bush or Kerry. They are nothing but a bunch of cry babies who are trying to be meanest.


User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1018 times:



>>Would you vote for McCain?<<<

Not until he distance himself from Bush......he did NADA to help Vets out in regards to the Swiftboat crap.......when GWB refuse McCains request to specificly denounce that ad McCain should have done the right thing and walked....run as far from him as posible.......Guess GWB had a job for him if GWB could be reelected.



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User currently offlineN317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1013 times:

I'm sure he could beat them with a stick.

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6001 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1009 times:

Not really - he's too weak to deal with any form of smear & retaliate to it. Look at the republican primaries in 2000 when Dubya did the exact same thing to McCain as he's doing to Kerry now.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

Not likely. While McLame is the darling of the media and liberals, he would not have enough support among the Republican base in order to win the nomination. Appealing to "moderates" does not win a party's nomination. You must secure the party base in order to win.

That said, the sooner McCain the RINO is out of the Senate, the better off the Republican Party and the country as a whole will be.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 998 times:

Count on B757300 to bring comic relief!  Laugh out loud

McCain a liberal?
Not even! Just look at his voting record. McCain is anti-abortion too. Hardly a liberal or a moderate.



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 996 times:

Thanks for the daily dose of humor, B757300!  Laugh out loud

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 998 times:

"That said, the sooner McCain the RINO is out of the Senate, the better off the Republican Party and the country as a whole will be."

LOL.
Now thats a winning strategy for the future, spoken by our very own A.net comedian.
Banish the only Republican with national stature who appeals to Americans across the political divide.


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5395 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 981 times:

I think B757300 rehearsed Karl Rove's talking points from back in '00 regarding McCain. The only reason why Shrub pulled it off is because of his name and, of course, the smear tactics and push polls employed here in my home state.


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 969 times:



B757300 has been hangin around another one of the RWAK comedians to long..You Know... JeffM...!!!!



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User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 961 times:

Interesting that in a recent interview, John McCain described himself as a Republican in the tradition of Reagan, Roosevelt the first and Eisenhower.

He specifically left out reference to either of the Bushes.

McCain is a Conservative (the REAL kind, not the tendency that has hijacked that term) in that he has typical Conservative patrician views but not the disgusting, hardened character assasin type of makeup which is evident now. If anything he is above that.

Whoever set up the "Black Baby" trick on him in 2000 should be run out of town. McCain is probably the best President America never had, and one that is VERY clued up on air transport BTW.

My 2c worth. Remember that character destruction politics cost the Right massively in Britain. It could happen again. Americans aren't as dumb as the assasins think they are.


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 942 times:

Whitehatter:
Excellent post!  Big thumbs up

McCain is probably the best President America never had

Don't forget Al Gore, George McGovern and Robert Kennedy.



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 940 times:

Could McCain beat Bush/Kerry?

I don't know...is Vietnam the central theme of his campaign? Which party's ticket would he run on?


User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 940 times:

Superfly, there's another name I would add to your list, Barry Goldwater.



[Edited 2004-08-27 00:21:18]

User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 937 times:

Could McCain beat Bush/Kerry?

I don't know...is Vietnam the central theme of his campaign? Which party's ticket would he run on?


Remember 1992? The American electorate took extremely kindly to a right-of-centre independent then....a certain Ross Perot


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 934 times:

Remember 1992? The American electorate took extremely kindly to a right-of-centre independent then....a certain Ross Perot

Indeed- McCain is hardly right-of-center.



User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 928 times:

McCain is a traditional Republican, and that could well appeal to many who abhor this current extremist manipulation of the Party. If anything he seems more in line with the politics of Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan.

Describing him as left wing (or even Kerry for that matter!) just shows a lack of understanding of the true nature of left-right politics. In Europe Kerry would be a Conservative, or at best a right-wing liberal who is definitely right-of-centre. McCain is a traditional Conservative who would be at home in Conservative parties throughout the rest of the world.


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 920 times:

Whitehatter:
Superfly, there's another name I would add to your list, Barry Goldwater.

No left him out for a reasons. By today's standards he would be OK and certainly a McCain like Republican. Lyndon B. Johnson on the other hand was an outstanding leader and perfect on domestic policy. He needed a man like LBJ to pass important Civil Rights laws, voting rights and picked Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court. I doubt Goldwater would have done such. Vietnam was his big mistake.
I am glad LBJ won that landslide election of 1964.

[Edited 2004-08-27 01:01:23]


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User currently offlinePilot kaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 917 times:

I think this McCain would have a VERY good chance at beating bush and Kerry.



a Great brand!


User currently offlineBimmer202 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 915 times:

B757300,

I think you make a very valid point about who controls the primaries. I feel that the Republican primary would be McCain's only true challenge towards the presidency. I think he would fairly easily win a general election with the backing of the Republican Party. If he were the Republican nominee he would win a majority of the Republican vote, he would win a fair share of democrats, and he would most definately win the independent vote (which is where most of the electorate is). Also he gets a pretty favorable viewing from the press.

I for one, hope he will someday be president. I think he has the common sense that will bring some sanity to our country that both parties are a little short on. And this is coming from a fairly conservative Republican.

Just my thoughts. Bimmer



Who let the billy goats out? No serioulsy, who let the friggin billy goats out? This aint no joke anymore children.
User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 914 times:

Goldwater was actually quite progressive on a number of issues. On issues such as gay rights, he took the libertarian line that it was no business of the State to impose restrictions.

Bill Clinton had a great regard for Goldwater even though they were from opposing parties. Even Hillary Clinton spoke warmly of him in her book.

LBJ may indeed have been the better candidate of the time, but that was one election in which both were worthy of the office of President. Goldwater wouldn't have let America down. Being able to gain the respect of those in opposition is a great bonus for a politician.


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 912 times:

Whitehatter:
Oh no doubt by to today's standards Goldwater would be considered a decent man. Our nation has slid so far down to the right that some one who was considered a conservative in the 1960s would be moderate today.
Goldwater naver changed, the two major parts have both slipped to the right.

My favorite Goldwater comement:
"You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just
have to be able to shoot straight"  Smile



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User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 897 times:

Our nation has slid so far down to the right

I would disagree with that.

Ordinary Americans aren't as stupid as those who would lead them by the nose might think. There is a backlash waiting to happen.

Unfortunately US news media does not have constraints on it which demand impartiality, and criminals such as Ann Coulter are given a platform. Anyone who advocates indoctrination of five year old children into ultra conservative dogma is a criminal who is committing a crime against humanity. Even Hitler didn't advocate the indoctrination of children of that age.

The USA needs its news to be unfiltered and unbiased. Fox is a stain on the face of a free nation, and Ann Coulter is advocating a crime against humanity. Her child books should be banned.

The equivalent station in the UK, Sky News, operates under the impartiality laws and is rightly honoured as the best news source in Europe. Time for Fox to sack O'Reilly and his cohorts. Tell the story without varnish or bias. Sky News is made by the same company as Fox, but Sky News wins awards constantly from its peers. Does Fox?


User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39887 posts, RR: 74
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 895 times:

Whitehatter:
There is a backlash waiting to happen.

It better happen quick!
It certainly better happen by November! Big grin


I agree with what you area saying about Ann Coulter.



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25 Mdsh00 : I have a lot of respect for John McCain. I would definitely vote for him over Bush or Kerry. Not likely. While McLame is the darling of the media and
26 Post contains links and images Superfly : B757300: Here is proof that John McCain is a solid conservative. There is nothing in his voting record that could be seen as liberal. There is nothing
27 MD11Engineer : Superfly, It makes no sense in arguing with 757-300. For him anybody to the left of Pinochet is a pinko commie b*st*d! Jan
28 Pacificjourney : I'm thinking a socialist stole his girlfriend or kicked his puppy somewhere in the dark past. For an Anthropology student who still lives with Mum and
29 Garnetpalmetto : And fortunatly, PJ, when you call him on them or counter them with facts, he slithers back under the rock he came from.
30 Usairwys757 : As the heart felt Left Wing Democrat that I am, I would definatly consider voting for John McCain. He's a very smart man, and knows what he's talking
31 ConcordeBoy : I doubt McCain could capture his own current base... prolly be more successful running as a conservative/moderate democrat (not that that's saying muc
32 Duce50boom : In my dreams the best ticket for the GOP would be McCain/Guilliani. But since he doesn't have the approval of the republican base I'd settle for Guill
33 NUAir : Today's headline in the Washington Post- McCain Joins Bush to Rein In Groups Senator Backs Action Against Organizations Buying Attack Ads By Dan Balz
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