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User currently offlineSoaringadi From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 472 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1176 times:

I have a keen interest in European cars. Love to ride them as much as the American Power houses. So I was just wondering about who would win the European "car wars" ??
Now plz. do Not include brands like RR, Bentley, Maybach etc.
Lets just keep the competition limited to the Bmw's, Benzes, VW's, Porsche's, Audis, Opels, Saabs, Fiats, etc....
What I wanted to know was which of these are The Best handling cars ???
Cars which make you feel as if you are glued to the road. Cars that make you want to press the gas on curves. Now we all know the famous Bmw "ultimate driving machine" thing.... but is this true, or are the other cars just as good ??

Everyone's opinion counts !

Thanx  Smile


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User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

Oh, to be behind the wheel of an OPEL, here in the good old USA. (Not counting the Saturn L series, and Cadillac Catera, of course)

I'll vote BMW 3 series. OR, the previous 5 series....




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User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

You can buy Opels in the US.

They are made in the Chevrolet plant in Mexico and are more or less identical to the European Opel products. My Astra (a Vauxhall badged Opel built car) is also produced in Mexico as a Chevy.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1143 times:

All have their different aspects and style. BMWs are very sporty with excellent acceleration and handeling. Audi's are very powerful with excellent AWD in the form of Quattro. Mercedes are very luxurious and suave, and so forth. Really depends on what you like in a car

User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

Nicest car available in Europe now?

The Chrysler Crossfire. Oh does that look nice....


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40033 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Can Jaguar be a part of this?

If so, I'd vote for the Vanden Plas and XK8 convertible.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

Jags are built in Britain after all...Ford own the company but the work is done here.

Since Ford took over they have invested $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in product and the new Baby Jags are a bit nice too!

We even have a Diesel Jaguar now for the first time ever


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40033 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Whitehatter:
We even have a Diesel Jaguar now for the first time ever

Now that's cool!  Smokin cool
Will they put it in the Vanden Plas?
If so, I hope it'll be availible here in the U.S.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1104 times:

http://www.jaguar.com/uk/en/x-type/Overview/default.htm

The X-Type is fairly new and not as big as the classic Jaguar. It's got one of the Ford turbodiesel engines which are rightly regarded as one hell of a piece of engineering.

It's still a comfortable five seater, just leaner and classier


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7802 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1090 times:

Personally I am a fan of Alfa Romeo. I would really like to see them make a comeback to North America now that their product is better in almost every aspect than it was 10 years ago when they left.

The new Jaguar XJ8L is a really nice car and the damn thing is under 2 tons... which is quite a feat considering how porky its German rivals are. Even the all-aluminum A8L tips the scales near 4500lbs. The styling is elegant and timeless and the gadetry for the sake of gadetry syndrome that has infected the Germans has, so far, not crossed the English Channel.



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User currently offlineUsatoeze From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 358 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

I know it is not always fashionable in the US to love things French, but Citroens to me are always awesome cars. Good performance, decent handling, tight ride, and strange enough to be different but not ridiculously strange to an American driver like some other makes can be(Noteably some Renaults). I have always loved the unique hatchback angle.

On the other hand I think that most Fiats I know(In Lat Am and Europe) seem like junk.




War is a very poor political tool
User currently offlinePaulc From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1076 times:

well if Jaguar are allowed then so must Aston Martin - the DB9 is just stunning


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

Simple answer - Audi.

Best engines (forget BMW), best handling (really forget BMW), best comfort (forget Mercedes).

Regards,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Nonsense! Whatever you guys had the chance to drive until now, go find and drive a Porsche, not that funny little Boxster but a real one, 911 or even worse like 959 or so. No further comments needed!

It gets clear from second 1 why Porsche has been for decades a serial winner in motorsports no matter which series, and they are the ONLY ONE who always manages to bring technology into street cars. Come to German motorways push it up to the limit and then have a real goody (if the road is empty...don't try this at home, kids), step on the brakes... Try it, you'll know immediately what I'm talking about


...and then start putting money aside  Big grin Big grin



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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

I'll put my money on the soon-to-be-released BMW M5 (E60). The V10 powerplant, active steering, electronic damper control, 7-speed SMG gearbox, 507 hp at 7,750 rpm, 19-inch rims with 255/40ZR-19 front, 285/35ZR-19 rear. I'll take mine in "Interlagos Blue." Vielen dank!


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User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1038 times:

Personally I am a fan of Alfa Romeo. I would really like to see them make a comeback to North America now that their product is better in almost every aspect than it was 10 years ago when they left.
**********************************************

You can get them in Mexico, at the same dealerships where they sell Cadillac and SAAB





Kids!....we are going to the happiest place on earth...TIJUANA! signed: Krusty the Clown
User currently offlineANA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1037 times:

Sub compact: Mini
Compact: Ford Focus
Midsize: BMW 3
Executive: BMW 5
Luxury: S Class
Roadster: MX-5 (Miata)
Supercar: Porsche Carrera GT


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1028 times:

M5..hands down..not the prettiest face...but will be the meanest SOB on the road!
Taking mine in Silver or Black (which ever comes in first). Of course, that's 10 months from now at the earliest...

Automobile did the engine rating...looks like BMW was a tad conservative on the stats...they have reported 521hp on their equipment...


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40033 posts, RR: 74
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

ANA:
The Miata is Japanese. Do they make them in Europe?
I know Ford makes the Focus in Europe and many other parts of the world.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

The MX-5/Miata is Japanese built.

Japanese manufacturers do build cars here, Toyota Nissan and Honda all have major plants.

BTW Mazda is a Ford group company too. Renault own a large chunk of Nissan.


User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 955 times:

Been thinking about this thread today.

My nomination, after considering what's available, is the Overfinch Range Rover. A hundred grand's worth of leather-clad monster with active pneumatic suspension (no RR roll), huge Chevy 5.7 engine and every refinement you care to specify. New models have a BMW block handbuilt to Overfinch specifications.

http://www.overfinch.co.uk


User currently offlineANA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 927 times:

Yeah, you're right Whitehatter! Let's go for the Boxter then.

Anders


User currently offlineGotbound From Sweden, joined Oct 2006, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 913 times:

VOLVO for life

rgs.GOTbound

[Edited 2004-08-29 19:49:55]

User currently offlineAdria From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 873 times:

BMW:

735i/45i: No real difference (okay those 61HP do count) in driving and with the dynamic drive option it is a joy to drive.
645i: not as comfortable as the 7 models but a good looking car that is(in my opinion) far better then the SL model offered by Mercedes

Mercedes:

S:
BORING!

SL: to bad the production will end( a new model will come), it is very good looking and more comfortable then the BMW 645i




AUDI:

A8:
Probably the best car in its class. They basically copied and improved the BMW iDrive system but it is more easy to use(developed by Nokia). The only thing is that the 7 model or the S class do have more space in the cabin.

A3:
A nice car very stable but would change it for a BMW 1


User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1808 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 863 times:

This is a bit off topic but what can you guys in Europe say about the MG-Rover brand?........they just started selling those here but there, nice designs but what about reliability, resale value etc. etc.


Kids!....we are going to the happiest place on earth...TIJUANA! signed: Krusty the Clown
25 LoungeLover : Difficult question, as there are many cool cars out there, loaded with technology. But the question was: what car is glued to the road? Apart from the
26 Whitehatter : This is a bit off topic but what can you guys in Europe say about the MG-Rover brand?........they just started selling those here but there, nice desi
27 Iakobos : If your car is glued to the road where is the fun ? buy a train !
28 Post contains images Mas777 : Vorsprung durch Technik... I have no complaints about my A4 - a sheer joy to drive and own.
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