Firefly_cyhz From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 167 posts, RR: 1 Posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1060 times:
Up here in Canada an Ontario court has ruled that the law prohibiting the possession of marijuana is unconstitutional. I was just wondering how everyone else feels about legalization of marijuana and why. I think it should be legalized, although I doubt it will happen because the U.S. government sees marijuana the same as cocaine and heroine and they have way to much say in how this country is run. The Nethterlands have it right by legalizing marijuana and I only wish Canada would follow. The benefits of this would be the government getting tax money and the courts would not be all tied up with people who have been charged for possessing a few grams of it.
AC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 817 times:
I agree because it is a natural substance, it is just dried up leaves. By the gov't's logic I can't pull a few leaves off of an oak tree, dry them and smoke them with getting busted for posession of a controlled substance.
Bacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 814 times:
yes! i dont see how it is possible for alchohol to be legal but for canabis to be illegal! 1 comes from nature and one comes from man, which one do you trust? don't forget that there have been 0, i said ZERO marijuana related deaths (just marijuana). people die everyday from alchohol!
if you take a completely drunk guy and a completely stoned guy, which one would be a threat to society? the drunk guy could throw up everywhere or get very violent while a stoned guy is willing to sit down for a while and his only problem is the hunger growing in his stomach!
Purdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 793 times:
Yes, TWFirst, it is perfectly normal to have a negative reaction to cigarette smoke - it's filled with thousands of lethal carcinogens! I agree that smoking should be banned in enclosed public places, as it is in California, and I would certainly not object to it being banned in open-air public places as well. If I have chosen not to inhale carcinogens, then other people who choose to kill themselves in a slow, agonizing death should not be able to encroach on my decision. As for marijuana, I don't see any reason for it to be less legal than tobacco products. Here in California, marijuana is allowed for "medicinal purposes," although the US government doesn't agree with that.
Purdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 778 times:
I know exactly what your post refers to, but you asked "Is it normal to be allergic to cigarette smoke?????" and the answer is yes. Is there some special reason that you have to keep bringing the homosexuality thing into EVERY SINGLE thread? You're gay - congratulations! That doesn't mean that it has to come up every time anybody asks a question or makes a comment! If you don't like ATA757's opinions, then just drop it - you're not getting anywhere by immaturely harping on an issue on which neither of you is likely to change your mind.
Redngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 777 times:
I think it should be legal only for medicinal purposes. Make it a Schedule III like the narcotics (I'm referring to U.S. drug law).
And I too am allergic to tobacco. I can't even walk into a tobacconnier shop without sneezing like crazy (why I even walk in I don't know...)
Mx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 777 times:
Doesn't Marijuana have a charming nickname? "DOPE!".
Marijuana cause birth defects and god knows what other awful things. Just because it's natural doesn't mean its harmless to you. And reading bollocks about "Zero Marijuana" deaths? What about people driving their cars when they are stoned?
I have seen so many Marijuana abusers in this country it's not funny. If you like to look like a "dope" then do dope.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 781 times:
Let's be honest with each other, and cut the rhetoric about "medicinal" purposes.
Anyone that is an advocate of legalizing marijuana just wants to get stoned out of his gourd without risk of arrest. It's that simple and cut and dry. I don't begrudge you for that, and I applaud those of you on this thread that have answered along those lines.
As to how I feel about it? Well to be honest, I have mixed feelings. I think that the hypocrisy argument about alcohol and tobacco being legalized yet why isn't pot a valid one.
On the other hand, as with alcohol and other drugs, there are lots and lots of authenticated detrimental effects to it that perhaps justifies it's illegality; natural substance or not. But then again, so do tobacco and even alcohol.
What to do? Prohibition was a failure. Maybe that's part of the allure and mystique to the popularity of Mary Jane.
Perhaps if it was legalized, then that in and of itself will take the lions share of the getting stoned experience away because you'll no longer have to do it in "secret".
I have never tried pot. Perhaps if I had the balls, maybe someday I will just so I can have a firsthand experience about what is so cool about it.
So I guess I have to come to the conclusion that I say with great trepidation: Legalize it. But regulate who gets it, and how much, where you can and can't smoke it, and tax the shit out of it.
I think that we all should be entitled to make our own choices and live with the consequences of our actions. Those that want to corrode their brain and emaciate their bodies by getting high every day should be free to do so if they so choose. Of course that legalization will have to come to come with a price: you just threw your rights to be treated at a hospital for a marijuana related emergency out the window. No government funded rehab will be available to you. You're on your own buddy!!! Legalizing will not take away my ability to refuse the joint if that's my perogative.
Bacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 759 times:
it is one of my beliefs that if you dont want it to be legal, then you have never tried it..........
if everybody tryed it (i should be in a DARE comercial) then they wouldn't mind if it were legal.
the problem is that the government doesn't know much about it (does it cause cancer?). remember in 5th grade when the police man came to your school and gave you a T-shirt and said someone will offer you a joint when you are leaving school, but dont smoke it because you will become addicted and will ruin your life.
You really can't lie to kids, they are too smart All i know is that nobody has come up to ME to give ME free weed!
Blink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5430 posts, RR: 19 Reply 17, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 764 times:
i say no but if you take in 2 grams, C'MON, that should be legalized, in the states, you would not believe how many cells are occupied because people sneaked in one gram of mirajuana, they do need to give some slack
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
Copper1 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 438 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 758 times:
If it were to be legalized, would those of you who partake, be willing to provide a blood sample without warrant to the Police when they catch you smoking and driving or under the influence.
There is no doubt that THC has an effect on the human body and this effect will impair your ability to operate a motor vehicle.
With alcohol, a breath sample will provide the evidence the Police need to lay an over .08 ( in Canada) charge. To the best of my knowledge the only way to test for THC is through blood or other body fluids.
It seems to me that if you want it legalized badly enough then you would be willing to provide the blood sample that the Police require. I know you will all be responsible users and you would never drive under the influence of marijuana.
The blood sample would have to be taken by a medically qualified person.
One has to remember that Impaired Driving is a separate offence from Drive Over .08. ( Canadian law ). Parliament would have to set a THC level that is felt to impair one's ability and then allow for some sort of testing without warrant.
I have the feeling however that those of you who wish it to be legalized would be the first to whine about YOUR civil rights being infringed upon if the Police were allowed to demand a blood sample.
MBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2561 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 747 times:
I believe urine will suffice - blood-letting is not necessary.
And I will be happy to pee-pee in a cup as long as the government can determine, based on scientific principles, the degree to which marijuana impairs a driver, the THC threshold where impairment occurs AND they stop me for reasonable cause.
Brissie_lions From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (12 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 742 times:
Here in the Western Australian prison system, if a prisoner is caught with alcohol or under the influence of alcohol, they are given punishment, i.e. a period from 28 days up of solitary. Here in the Western Australian prison system, if a prisoner is caught with pot or under the influence of pot, they are given a total of 3, yes THREE, chances, before they get solitary. Why is it, that in a prison, that a legal drug is not tolerated, whereas an illegal drug is tolerated up to a maximum of 3 times? Because the prison authorities know that a prison on pot, is a quiet, happy, well-run prison, whereas a prison on the piss is violent and flared.
To the people who doubt the medicinal benefits (especially regarding Matt D's comments). Have you got a friend who has a severe case of MS, and legal prescribed drugs do nothing for him. However, when *John* smokes a joint or has mull tea, it eases his pain DRAMATICALLY. The World Health Organisation has even gone so far as to put marijuana back on the list of drugs which do have genuine medicinal use, especially for diseases such as AIDS, MS, Parkinsons, etc. Who are we as a society to deny these people the right to live a pain free life, when mainstream drugs do not work?
Using marijuana does not lead to using harder drugs. This is a common misconception that the general public holds. I, until recently, smoked pot and drank it (in mull beer) on a regular basis. In the past I have also used harder drugs such as heroine (once only), cocaine, ecstacy and speed on a sporadic social basis. However, my use of these *harder* drugs was not a direct result of my smoking pot, rather is was a result of the drugs being available at the time, and being in a situation/location in which the use of these drugs was prevalent and accepted.
The main problem in any government legalising pot is the issue of, not medical, but that of, taxation. Because pot is so widespread, if you were to legalise it, people would be growing it left, right and centre, without fear of prosecution. The government cannot tax this. A way around it is to bring in a licencing system, whereby I pay X amount of dollars per year to be permitted to grow Y amount of plants for my personal use. I, for one, would be willing to pay a reasonable amount, as would a lot of others.
To Copper1...I would have no problem in submitting myself to a urine sample to the monartch if so requested. As a citizen, I understand the law regarding drinking and driving, and if I am caught, I expect the full arm of the law to punish me. The same goes for driving while under the influence of mull.
To Tupolev Tu154B2...regarding your comments regarding prostitution. Why shouldn't it be legalised? They pay their taxes. Yet they are not covered by any of the OH&S or other laws, that *normal* workers are. Is that fair?
Also, to anyone who is against the legalisation of pot. Can you answer me this one question. For what reason was marijuana made illegal in the first place?
BTW....I write this from the view of someone who has researched this topic quite thoroughly, and just wish I could expand on the topic more, but I don't wish to bore you all with statistics and the like.