Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 9 Posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8364 times:
It appears I was right all along. On netscape.net I found an article saying an Islamic group linked to Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden claims responsibility for the two downed Russian jets. They have struck yet again apparently.....Anybody hear similar news?
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8264 times:
You know...I can understand some of Al-Qaeda's attacks (based on their goals, not based on humanity, of course)...they hate the United States, so they are going to hit the World Trade Center and Pentagon (and presumably White House also, as they probably didn't want to hit an empty field in some no-name country town near Pittsburgh), and I can understand their Spain attacks, as Spain had been a vocal ally of the United States, but Russia? Hitting some planes with names that most American's couldn't either spell or tell you that they are aircraft companies, and smaller planes at that? (the Tu-134 has roughly the capacity of the CR7, the Tu-154 roughly the capacity of the 739) I'm not sure I buy this report, and if it's in fact true, then Osama has really gotten desperate to just strike anything and everything accessable to him...
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Derico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4341 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8215 times:
That's because you think Bin Laden only hates the US. I think he really was a sociopath all along and uses the US more as a very effective tool to whip up support. But I also have no doubts that currently most terrorist groups find it advantageous to claim their attacks for 'Al Qaeda' instead for themselves, for two reasons: it provides a thin investigation cover and it also stirs up sentiments in the muslim world.
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Airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8943 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8205 times:
Dude, it's not always about America. There's a big World out there. Al-Qaeda is a world-wide terrorist network with "interests" in many countries. They openly support the Chechnyans who are "at war" with Russia. Just keep on watching FoxNews
Tasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8201 times:
"ONE article (till now) doesn't say your right.
But why would Al Qaida attack Russia, is this a "enemy" of them?
And why didn't they used the planes for purposes as 9/11?"
1. "why would Al Qaida attack Russia, is this a "enemy" of them?"
Yes they are... The Russians are fighting In Chetchinia, also Bin Laden has stated that all crusader nations (all Christian nations) are sworn enemies.
2. "And why didn't they used the planes for purposes as 9/11?"
Why is simple... It takes far less effort to get a bomb onboard rather then training someone as a pilot.
These terror attacks are just another reason why it is time to crush radical Islam once an for all. If these people want to meet Allah, then lets facilitate it. Perhaps this may be the wake-up call for the Russians to stop screwing around and to get serious. The Germans have a wonderful saying that I love: "Eisenhart" (hard as Iron). Perhaps it is time for Russia to become Eisenhart with terrorists.
All we can do however is to say a prayer for the unfortunate souls lost and their families.
BandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8123 times:
It doesnt make sense (doesnt mean that it isnt so) that Al Qaeda is responsible for this... even if they were... knowing them, they wouldve claimed responsibility right away (or even before the tragedy). Al-Jazeera (sp?) wouldve been reporting it within minutes after the crashes...
I think that some of these terrorist groups would claim responsiblity to pretty much everything.
If they openly support Chechnyan rebels (as Airbazar said) and were indeed responsible, I think Chechnyans would've claimed responsibility as well...
Oh well we can just speculate... I just hope that the true cause of these crashes isnt kept a secret.
"They [Terrorists] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - GWB
Hz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1795 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8069 times:
There is a sect of Islam that believes that there cannot be a peaceful coexistence between Islam and other religions--for it is the divine religion. Imparted to Mohammed in 600AD, it was the last great religion to evolve from the holy land and thus is the most finely tuned of all three--Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.
Under those rules, Russia cannot be left alone. Also, since Russia is fighting Muslims in Chechnya, it is a strong target. Chechnyan rebels receive funding from Al Quaeda, and when it was an all out war before Russian troops over-ran them in 2000-2001, they also supplied fighters.
If you have been following the news, you will note that this is hardly the first attack against Russia:
- Theatre takeover
- Shoulder fired missiles launched at their embassy in Beruit
- Female homocide bomber attacks in Southern Russia
Rwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8040 times:
It looks as though it is definitely a muslim terrorist group backed by Al Qaeda. (It does amuse me when Americans think the whole world is centred around them!) The Russians have been killing Muslims in Chechnya for years, which is the reason for this attack, and they have said they will continue with such attacks until the Russians pull out of Chechnya. Why just a bomb? As with the attacks in Spain, very simple and don't take much planning.
Nosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7932 times:
The BBC is saying that Russian Officials found explosive remnants. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3604134.stm The FSB says the traces of explosive were found amid the debris of the Tu-154, which was flying to the Black Sea resort of Sochi when it disappeared from radar shortly after the pilot pressed the SOS button.
And this, also from the BBC, is rather interesting: President Vladimir Putin's envoy to southern Russia told reporters that the black boxes had "practically switched off immediately". Vladimir Yakovlev said this was "probably more confirmation... that something had happened very quickly".
A spokesman for the security agency, Nikolai Zakharov, said on Russian television that preliminary analysis shows traces of "hexogen" were found in the shattered Tu-154 jetliner that crashed in southern Russia.
The claim of responsibility published on the militant Muslim Web site was signed "the Islambouli Brigades." A group with a similar name has claimed responsibility for at least one other attack, but the authenticity could not immediately be confirmed.
The statement said five mujahedeen (Islamic fighters) were on board each plane and their wills will be published soon. It did not give more details.
As for the Al-Qaeda link: PLS&idq=/ff/story/0002/20040827/0506330815.htm&photoid=20040825MOSB121>
"Our mujahideen in the Islambouli Brigades were able to hijack two Russian planes and they were successful despite the obstacles that faced them at the beginning. There were five (mujahideen) in each plane," the statement said.
Khaled Islambouli was the Egyptian army officer who assassinated Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a military parade in Cairo in 1981. Islambouli was a member of the Jihad group, part of which integrated into al-Qaeda in the 1990s under Ayman al-Zawahri, the top aide to Saudi-born al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7863 times:
Anyone can claim anything. I'm not saying they didn't do it, because as we all know, they have and can do such things. But anyone can claim whatever they want.
And bin Laden hates the whole fucking world, not just the U.S. They hate anyone who doesn't subscribe to their perversion of Islam. But it goes beyond that. With any such group that uses the name of God or Allah as justification, they're justifiying their acts in the name of God for the grasp of worldy power in some form or another. And to them, Russia still represents the oppression of Islam with it's economic control (even now, to the extent) of all the -Stans in Asia.
Trident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7803 times:
No doubt Bush would love it to be al-Qu-ida but anyone with even a little knowledge of world affairs (so of course we can exclude Bush here) would know it is likely to be linked to the Chechnya situation. The BBC is reporting the following:
'In a website statement on Friday, a group called the Islambouli Brigades said it had five people on board each aircraft. It warned this act would be followed by others "until the killings of our Muslim brothers in Chechnya cease".'
Nudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7775 times:
Reuters reports that the explosives found seem to be the kind used before by Chechen rebels in several terroristic attacks. Also several Chechnyan people were identified and are supescted to have brought the explosives on board.
It seems there were Chechens on both flights, but only in the TU154 explosives were found so far.
Planespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7669 times:
Al Quaeda dont just hate the US, they hate anyone who isnt Muslim, the attacks in Istanbul, Spain and threatening the UK and Italy goes to show there not intrested in "politics", there just wanting everyone to bow down to their so called "god"..