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Al Qaeda Responsible For Downed Russian Jets  
User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8160 times:

It appears I was right all along. On netscape.net I found an article saying an Islamic group linked to Al Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden claims responsibility for the two downed Russian jets. They have struck yet again apparently.....Anybody hear similar news?


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User currently offlineFJWH From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 968 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8084 times:

ONE article (till now) doesn't say your right.
But why would Al Qaida attack Russia, is this a "enemy" of them?
And why didn't they used the planes for purposes as 9/11?




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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8060 times:

You know...I can understand some of Al-Qaeda's attacks (based on their goals, not based on humanity, of course)...they hate the United States, so they are going to hit the World Trade Center and Pentagon (and presumably White House also, as they probably didn't want to hit an empty field in some no-name country town near Pittsburgh), and I can understand their Spain attacks, as Spain had been a vocal ally of the United States, but Russia? Hitting some planes with names that most American's couldn't either spell or tell you that they are aircraft companies, and smaller planes at that? (the Tu-134 has roughly the capacity of the CR7, the Tu-154 roughly the capacity of the 739) I'm not sure I buy this report, and if it's in fact true, then Osama has really gotten desperate to just strike anything and everything accessable to him...


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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8011 times:

That's because you think Bin Laden only hates the US. I think he really was a sociopath all along and uses the US more as a very effective tool to whip up support. But I also have no doubts that currently most terrorist groups find it advantageous to claim their attacks for 'Al Qaeda' instead for themselves, for two reasons: it provides a thin investigation cover and it also stirs up sentiments in the muslim world.


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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8001 times:

Dude, it's not always about America. There's a big World out there. Al-Qaeda is a world-wide terrorist network with "interests" in many countries. They openly support the Chechnyans who are "at war" with Russia. Just keep on watching FoxNews  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7997 times:

FJWH:

"ONE article (till now) doesn't say your right.
But why would Al Qaida attack Russia, is this a "enemy" of them?
And why didn't they used the planes for purposes as 9/11?"

1. "why would Al Qaida attack Russia, is this a "enemy" of them?"

Yes they are... The Russians are fighting In Chetchinia, also Bin Laden has stated that all crusader nations (all Christian nations) are sworn enemies.

2. "And why didn't they used the planes for purposes as 9/11?"

Why is simple... It takes far less effort to get a bomb onboard rather then training someone as a pilot.


These terror attacks are just another reason why it is time to crush radical Islam once an for all. If these people want to meet Allah, then lets facilitate it. Perhaps this may be the wake-up call for the Russians to stop screwing around and to get serious. The Germans have a wonderful saying that I love: "Eisenhart" (hard as Iron). Perhaps it is time for Russia to become Eisenhart with terrorists.

All we can do however is to say a prayer for the unfortunate souls lost and their families.

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy





User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7953 times:

FJWH: Why not, I mean the Russians have been killing muslims in Chechnya for years

User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7919 times:

It doesnt make sense (doesnt mean that it isnt so) that Al Qaeda is responsible for this... even if they were... knowing them, they wouldve claimed responsibility right away (or even before the tragedy). Al-Jazeera (sp?) wouldve been reporting it within minutes after the crashes...

I think that some of these terrorist groups would claim responsiblity to pretty much everything.

If they openly support Chechnyan rebels (as Airbazar said) and were indeed responsible, I think Chechnyans would've claimed responsibility as well...

Oh well we can just speculate... I just hope that the true cause of these crashes isnt kept a secret.



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User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 558 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7905 times:

Al Qaida is used like a brand. It seems like every Muslim terror attack is Al Qaida these days - it guarantees max media attention.

User currently offlineHz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1660 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7865 times:
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There is a sect of Islam that believes that there cannot be a peaceful coexistence between Islam and other religions--for it is the divine religion. Imparted to Mohammed in 600AD, it was the last great religion to evolve from the holy land and thus is the most finely tuned of all three--Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.

Under those rules, Russia cannot be left alone. Also, since Russia is fighting Muslims in Chechnya, it is a strong target. Chechnyan rebels receive funding from Al Quaeda, and when it was an all out war before Russian troops over-ran them in 2000-2001, they also supplied fighters.

If you have been following the news, you will note that this is hardly the first attack against Russia:

- Theatre takeover
- Shoulder fired missiles launched at their embassy in Beruit
- Female homocide bomber attacks in Southern Russia

to name a few...



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User currently offlineRwylie77 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 367 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7836 times:

It looks as though it is definitely a muslim terrorist group backed by Al Qaeda. (It does amuse me when Americans think the whole world is centred around them!) The Russians have been killing Muslims in Chechnya for years, which is the reason for this attack, and they have said they will continue with such attacks until the Russians pull out of Chechnya. Why just a bomb? As with the attacks in Spain, very simple and don't take much planning.

User currently offlineGsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7804 times:

Uhm,

This isn't about the United States, this is about bringing Islamic dominance. Have you not listened to any of bin Laden's translations?

If this is what happened in Russia, then one word: Chechnya. Why? The Chechans are Muslims and are rebeling against Russia. Attacking Russia helps to move bin Laden's goal further.


User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7765 times:

Dude, it's not always about America. There's a big World out there. Al-Qaeda is a world-wide terrorist network with "interests" in many countries.


True, India has also been suffering from Al-Qaeda's terrorism for over a decade now! (Kashmir)




"They [Terrorists] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - GWB
User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7728 times:

The BBC is saying that Russian Officials found explosive remnants.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3604134.stm
The FSB says the traces of explosive were found amid the debris of the Tu-154, which was flying to the Black Sea resort of Sochi when it disappeared from radar shortly after the pilot pressed the SOS button.

And this, also from the BBC, is rather interesting:
President Vladimir Putin's envoy to southern Russia told reporters that the black boxes had "practically switched off immediately". Vladimir Yakovlev said this was "probably more confirmation... that something had happened very quickly".

From the Chicago Sun Times: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-crash27.html

A spokesman for the security agency, Nikolai Zakharov, said on Russian television that preliminary analysis shows traces of "hexogen" were found in the shattered Tu-154 jetliner that crashed in southern Russia.

The claim of responsibility published on the militant Muslim Web site was signed "the Islambouli Brigades." A group with a similar name has claimed responsibility for at least one other attack, but the authenticity could not immediately be confirmed.

The statement said five mujahedeen (Islamic fighters) were on board each plane and their wills will be published soon. It did not give more details.


As for the Al-Qaeda link: PLS&idq=/ff/story/0002/20040827/0506330815.htm&photoid=20040825MOSB121>

"Our mujahideen in the Islambouli Brigades were able to hijack two Russian planes and they were successful despite the obstacles that faced them at the beginning. There were five (mujahideen) in each plane," the statement said.
Khaled Islambouli was the Egyptian army officer who assassinated Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a military parade in Cairo in 1981.
Islambouli was a member of the Jihad group, part of which integrated into al-Qaeda in the 1990s under Ayman al-Zawahri, the top aide to Saudi-born al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.



Edit: My Last link appears to be a dead one  Sad

[Edited 2004-08-27 16:52:19]

User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7706 times:

Nosedive,

good info but the last link doesnt work (one abt Al-Qaeda)



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7694 times:

Essential in a Gorilla war is give the enemy a face and name, Al Qaeda is good enough for me.


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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7659 times:

Anyone can claim anything. I'm not saying they didn't do it, because as we all know, they have and can do such things. But anyone can claim whatever they want.

And bin Laden hates the whole fucking world, not just the U.S. They hate anyone who doesn't subscribe to their perversion of Islam. But it goes beyond that. With any such group that uses the name of God or Allah as justification, they're justifiying their acts in the name of God for the grasp of worldy power in some form or another. And to them, Russia still represents the oppression of Islam with it's economic control (even now, to the extent) of all the -Stans in Asia.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7643 times:

BandA, I know about the link....bummer :-(

From the International Herald Tribune:http://www.iht.com/articles/536060.html

On Friday morning, the Web site of an extremist group calling itself the Islambouli Brigades of Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for both crashes.

Again, hexogen(e) is mentioned. And the only 2 places I've seen the group w/ "of Al Qaeda" tacked on is the IHT and CNN....... and now the New York Times.... So 3 and counting


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7639 times:

Wait, a group with 'links' to Osama bin Ladin is now automatically called Al Qaeda? Is this from the same intelligence that said Iraq had WMD?

No one knows, yet, who was responsible, or even if both were terrorist attacks. If they were, it's likely Chechen terrorists with nothing at all to do with hatred of the West.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7611 times:

777, I think it can be safely assumed that these were terrorist incidents....as one terror group has claimed responsibility, and that theyve found explosives at one of the crash sites  Insane

User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

No doubt Bush would love it to be al-Qu-ida but anyone with even a little knowledge of world affairs (so of course we can exclude Bush here) would know it is likely to be linked to the Chechnya situation. The BBC is reporting the following:

'In a website statement on Friday, a group called the Islambouli Brigades said it had five people on board each aircraft. It warned this act would be followed by others "until the killings of our Muslim brothers in Chechnya cease".'


User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7571 times:

Reuters reports that the explosives found seem to be the kind used before by Chechen rebels in several terroristic attacks. Also several Chechnyan people were identified and are supescted to have brought the explosives on board.
It seems there were Chechens on both flights, but only in the TU154 explosives were found so far.

http://http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=H44SP2WVMMM14CRBAE0CFFA?type=topNews&storyID=6089129



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User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

Wait, a group with 'links' to Osama bin Ladin is now automatically called Al Qaeda? Is this from the same intelligence that said Iraq had WMD?


woah! doesnt Bush have links with some Saudi families that have links with the Bin Laden family who have links with Osama?  Wow!

and doesnt Tony Blair have links with Bush?  Wow!

BandA, I know about the link....bummer :-(

no biggie nosedive... thanks for gathering the info... good stuff!



[Edited 2004-08-27 17:14:30]


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User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7465 times:

Al Quaeda dont just hate the US, they hate anyone who isnt Muslim, the attacks in Istanbul, Spain and threatening the UK and Italy goes to show there not intrested in "politics", there just wanting everyone to bow down to their so called "god"..

User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

Ugh, you people are so petty, American or otherwise... Get over yourselves, and and stick to the topic, politics goes in the non-av section.

25 SafetyDude : Wait, a group with 'links' to Osama bin Ladin is now automatically called Al Qaeda? Is this from the same intelligence that said Iraq had WMD? WMD wer
26 Aeroflot777 : You all are making me nervous!!
27 Trident2e : SafetyDude - you are incredibly naive.
28 Sabena 690 : Al-Qaeda is a world-wide terrorist network with "interests" in many countries. Wrong, Al Qaeda most probably doesn't exist anymore, after the US attac
29 Gsoflyer : Why are legal reports posted in multi-national news media naiva? You're the one who quoted the BBC, and all know that they are so impartial. Whatever.
30 Litz : >> But why would Al Qaida attack Russia, is this a "enemy" of them? >> And why didn't they used the planes for purposes as 9/11? Russia is not very li
31 Plane holland : my 2 cents, Al Qaeda , they like to claim it was them.. in fact it wouldn't surprise me if it's again not them but some other, propably the Chechen. A
32 Kl911 : ''''A pity excuse to misuse and abuse the Islam and muslim community.'''' Ehh, as far as I know most Muslims do, ever been to Israel? Did you see them
33 Garnetpalmetto : There is no central organisation anymore. Sabena, from what I've read, there never was a central organization or a hierarchy like exists in other terr
34 Dvk : Rwylie, I've re-read this entire thread, and except for one post that showed some ignorance, there is nothing else justifying your smart-ass remark of
35 Gsoflyer : Kl911 said: "Al Qaeda , they like to claim it was them.. in fact it wouldn't surprise me if it's again not them but some other, propably the Chechen.
36 Post contains images SafetyDude : SafetyDude - you are incredibly naive. Care to explain?
37 Tu154m : TASHA...........I agree............let the facilitation of wishes begin. It has been LONG overdue. If any good comes out of this hopefully they have p
38 Logan22L : Sabena 690: I agree with Garnetpalmetto - from the things I have seen, heard, and read (ALWAYS taken with at least a few grains of salt), Al Qaeda ha
39 ETStar : Thrust, original poster, It would really help if you can support your post with a link to the article you found on netscape.net (which btw is a site a
40 Thrust : Thanks ETstar for pointing out I forgot to include a source. Here is the article for you all that I intended to show in my first post. Sorry. So here
41 Thrust : The article is somewhat speculative, but certainly contains a strong motive for Al Qaeda to want to do something like this!
42 Arecibo : Strong motives ...... I agree. But !!! They will not win not now , not ever ......Fighting these bastardos is a marathon race....Not the 100 mts dash,
43 Boeing7E7 : For Al Qaeda it's not where you are or where you're from, it's "Are you and extremist radical Muslim???" France is probably next, or Germany. Don't ta
44 AZjetgeek : My feelings are that these were terrorist attacks, but I would suspect that the terrorists were Chechen rebels who managed to get tickets for the two
45 Alphascan : First Tribent says: No doubt Bush would love it to be al-Qu-ida but anyone with even a little knowledge of world affairs (so of course we can exclude
46 Thrust : But I thought that Al Qaeda, or rather, some extreme Islamist groups somehow are indirectly linked with Chechnya? Though I am the one who started this
47 AFROTC : If its true it does kinda make sense, if I remember correctly Osama did fight against Russia when they invaded Afghanistan.
48 AFROTC : ok, i just got a message from msnbc confirming that evidence of explosives were found at one of the crash sites. They are trying to link this to a cou
49 Post contains images Kim777fan : Will, you MUST be naive because you don't buy the Michael Moore wisdom that somehow Bush is in bed with Royal Saudi family and therefore himself conne
50 Trident2e : Kim777fan - you hit the nail on the head!
51 UK_Dispatcher : Isn't it strange how every alleged cell of terrorists seems 'to have links to Al-Qaeda & Osama bin Laden'. !!
52 Gary2880 : dvk i would like to add what you called a thread of ignorance to this post, Rwylie was excatly right, just watch fox news for a bit. for instance : ho
53 Sebolino : Thats' correct. He had money and weapons coming from the USA for that. How ironic.
54 4Left : The fact that OBL's boys clipped two tiny planes in Russia is proof positive they are grasping at straws to remain visible. The PAk's amongst others h
55 Warren747sp : I wonder if Russia will still pick France and Germany as their favorite allie or stand with the U.S. now for some real anti-terrorism measures now.
56 Aerosol : .... like Spain did pick the U.S. as allie for some real anti-terrorosm measures.
57 Thrust : It seems as though this topic may need a new heading...I looked at newer articles...yea, it seems to be Chechen rebels alone, no Al Qaeda links. The 2
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