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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1525 times:

from a column in yesterday's Palm Beach Post...

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2004/08/31/m1a_BINO_0831.html

NEW YORK -- The "people of faith" are here, although you might not know by watching the convention coverage on television.

The Republicans have wisely decided to keep their sanctimonious base mostly under wraps this week so as not to scare off moderate voters.

"The Republican National Committee has failed to put a prime-time face on the majority of the party, and that's troubling," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council...





If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1489 times:

From the text:

On Monday, Perkins was in the shabby hotel, handing out fortune cookies to reporters, hoping to dramatize that that the fortune of the party was tied to its abortion-banning, gay-shunning, stem-cell loathing, if-only-we-could-force-everybody-to-pray-in-schools conservatives.

And that right there is what scares me about the Republican Party.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineLogan22L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1484 times:

If the Republicans are smart enough to squelch the right-winged christian conservative nut-jobs from their platform, why can't they actually solve some of the problems in our country? Oh, yeah, because we're too busy "solving" problems in other countries.

Logan


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1463 times:

How are these nut cases left out?

They virtually wrote the plank for the Convention.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21512 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

The Republican National Committee has failed to put a prime-time face on the majority of the party, and that's troubling," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council...

Well, if they want Bush to get elected, the christian right wing had better shut up, because he can't win in their ideals. There is a reason McCain, Guiliani and Ahnold were the main speakers.



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2576 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Perkins had better be quiet, or Falwell/Robertson et al. might pull a Wellstone on him.

Repub mantra: "You're only useful to us when you capitulate COMPLETELY."


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

As usual the media has to dig up some malcontents to try and make it look as if the party is divided. These are the same people that whine because President Bush won't outlaw abortion (which of course he cannot do by himself; it would take a constitutional amendment or another Supreme Court decision) or the President won't carry out their other little pet issue.

I'm a Conservative, Christian Republican and in no way do I or anyone else I've spoken with feel "left out" by the Republican Party.



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

As usual the media has to dig up some malcontents to try and make it look as if the party is divided.

B757300, Why do you whine so damn much? It's painfully obvious to anyone that both Democrats and Republicans try to keep their extreme members away from the limelight.

Here is something written by Tucker Carlson..a staunch Republican and CNN political analyst:

"The speakers do not represent the mainstream of the Republican Party which is not secular, not coastal and pretty conservative. Same with the themes. The Republicans will have a disciplined convention. Both parties do. There’s not much chaos left in political conventions, and that’s a shame. The Republicans are going to make the point that they’re not scary, that they’re in control of the country. They’re going to keep the evangelicals under wraps; I guess it’s effective. It offends me. I think they ought to say what they really think. I think both parties should."




"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

B757300: So you're saying Tony Perkins is nothing but a "malcontent" dug up by the media?? I thought you gand he were butt buddies. I think the media would rather bury Tony Perkins, but he and his group of hate mongers keep clawing their way up from the dirt.


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1394 times:

B757300.

How can you be christian and republican. Let me challenge your bible comprehension.

1.) Thou shall not murder, means not electing democratically a president who has killed thousands of people oversees, many of them are justified, most are UNJISTIFIED.... and that is murder, and you are guilty of murder through your vote.

Accepting the right to bear arms means more murder. A simple equation .. more guns, more murders.

2.) Was Jesus a man who appreciated an elitist society, where the rich are rich, and the poor are poor.. what do you think Jesus would have to say about a greedy society where 50 million people dont have basic access to health care.

Christianity and Republican conservative way of thought are at the opposite end of the philosophical scale, yet both are synonymous, how the hell did that ever happen?

3.) Was Jesus liberal, or conservative.

God darn it, pick up a bible and read it over.. for the love of god please do.



User currently offlineVaman From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

I'm by no means a right winger...i think that all their christian babble is non-sense...but FLYYUL, calling Bush's actions murders is a little extreme i mean..cmon now. And also...the rich are rich because a lot of them did a lot of hard work to earn it. America is by no means perfect but you CAN better you life situation. That is the beauty of capitolism and we don't need a Robin HOod president to come swooping down and start making the upper income groups pay even MORE than they already do, not based on monetary accounts alone but percentege wise, the rich still pay unporportionally high taxes so we can make boom boom while the youth of this country are drooling over themselves in public education. Personally, I think both Kerry and Bush are crackpots and this election is depressing to me....

L


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

B757300,

I too am a Christian Convservative, and I don't feel one bit left out. I think the party is smart by showing McCain and Arnold, it's sorta preacing to some of the undecided people, or many of the moderates...if you want to win an election, you win it by getting those swing voters. The very Right-wing people aren't going anywhere, there is nowhere else TO go. I think the party strategy is doing pretty good right now, if they can just keep it up.

FLYYUL, your completely brainwashed post was astounding. Where shall we start?
1) Think of all those AMERICANS who were killed HERE. I think that issue is to be addressed first, before talking about us killing many people elsewhere, who may just happen to deserve it, right or wrong.

2) Jesus didn't say anything about healthcare or social security- none of this existed in His time on earth obviously. What he did preach about was giving to the poor, but out of the kindness of your own heart, for a sense of love for your brother...he did not say let the government automatically take from you to give to others. Many of those 50 million people also can help themselves get what they need- they're just too damned lazy.

Let's look at a few things the liberals do which is anti-Christian. Remember, 80-85% of Christians are Republican, and for good reason.

1) Abortion- let's not even start, you know where it goes- MURDER.

2) Gay rights- Again, clearly cut in the Bible as a despicable and unnatural act. Anyone recall Soddom and Gommorah?

3) Taking the faith-based ideas out of our society- censorship. There was once a day in this nation when you could pray in school- not just pray to the Christian God, but pray in general...those children who didn't want to, well they could just sit there. In the late 90's, I had a hard time taking my simple Bible to public high school! I believe in seperation of church and state, but they go way too far- almost deleting it from the map.

And to cut it down very simply, apart from religion, things like gun ownership, and keeping what you earn (instead of giving it all in taxes, which in turn goes to the lower-earning population), and military defense, are all parts of the original, basic American right. Our founding fathers ensured that we would have these freedoms, as they did not want this nation to resemble the nation we seperated from (UK). The liberal idea of governmental control almost rehashes the idea of a Britich monarchy, or even to go so far as reinstitute a Socialist society. The idea of centralized this and centralized that, as well as even salary distribution, it sure smells like Karl Marx to me.

I'm just glad you're not able to vote here in the US- we already have too many people thinking your way as it is.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

In the late 90's, I had a hard time taking my simple Bible to public high school!

Exaggerating a bit arent we? I went to a public high school too, and a religiously diverse one too. I knew plenty of people that brought Bibles to school. There was even a Christian ministry that met before or after school. I.E. The school had no problem with it.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineVaman From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

"Gay rights- Again, clearly cut in the Bible as a despicable and unnatural act. Anyone recall Soddom and Gommorah?"

Hmm...you people always have to throw that in don't you. Can you briefly explain to me something i've never understood DeltaGuy. I really am trying to understand why christian conservatives feel it is THEIR duty to activley discriminate against fellow man. I always thought the bible, and jesus said that judgement shall only be made once , by god. In the bible, early figures went maurading around killing non christians, hell, i think we should revive that too while we're at it. It's been a while since there was an inquisition, about due for another, that way you could wipe out all the gays and non christians. I mean you people are hilarious. I take solice in knowing that if there is a god YOU people will be getting judged with the rest of us. Aren't there bigger issues than gay rights. I mean, i believe some middle ground can be reached.




L


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

1.) Bush committed murder.. there is no way around this concept. His illinformed evidence led to direct murder of many thousands innocent persons. Murder and wars are generally not accepted by the Christian god, especially unjustified.

One thing... you never fight fire with fire. Sept.11 was a terrible tragedy, and absolutely inexcusable. But have you considered that peace and diplomacy could be a more effective tool than killing many innocent people, who will be the future terrorists of the world..

In the Book of Romans it is CLEARLY WRITTEN that bread does better than the sword.

2.) Jesus gave plenty of philosophy that goes just beyond his simple words. Jesus promoted equality, feeding and giving back to the poor. Jesus was extremely forgiving and accepting, of all sinners, no matter what the sin was. Of course these can be applied to health care, and general societal common sense.

3.) "Many of those 50 million people also can help themselves get what they need- they're just too damned lazy"

-What a beautiful generalization, o' wise Christian person. You deserve the order of intelligence.

Abortion and Gay Marriages are NOT more important than social inequalities, greed, war, health care, and general human rights that conservatives DONT like to acknowledge or uphold.

Like I said.. you may need more bible school to help you understand the meaning of christianity. Christianity.. follower of Christ. Way to set the example  Big grin

I wish there were more liberal christians in this world  Sad









User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

Excellent post Vaman.

Although Jesus was never accepting of sin, he accepted the sinner and gave them hope. Unfortunately, the conservative right wing christian movement (just like it was in the 50's with the black/white racial tensions), cannot accept that they should not pass judgment.

In fact, judgment is another of those deadly sins... argh



User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

One thing... you never fight fire with fire. Sept.11 was a terrible tragedy, and absolutely inexcusable. But have you considered that peace and diplomacy could be a more effective tool

I disagree.

We gave peace and diplomacy a chance.

It failed.


Badly.


If I was Bush, I would've gone live on CNN and announced to the [Islamic] world that they have 48 hours to find and hand Bin Laden and Co. to the US.

When the deadline passed with no Osama (which you know it would have) I would've sent an F-16 over to Mecca and reduced that rock that everyone on those Haji missions bow down to to kitty litter rubble.



User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

... im talking about Iraq.

iraq had nothing to do with 09.11.. i am not defending the evil betrayer of human rights Saddam here.. but dont pick and choose your battles.

If Saddam needs to go, so then does the guy in N.Korea, Syria, Libya, Sudan, Rwanda, Cuba etc.. they are all dictators and abusers of human rights.



User currently offlineVaman From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Apparently i'm the only moderate left on this planet. I believe that a forceful response to the terror attacks and to Al Qaeda was very necessary to both avenge and to detur. On Iraq, while i'm thrilled to death that Saddamn is out of there and he was a loon, we bit of quite a lot more than we could chew. As far as bombing mecca into submition, well, that is has to be one of the MOST ignorant and stupid things i've ever heard in my life. There could at least be an argument, however weak, for bombing Riyahd(weak) or Tehran(weaker) or Kabul(during taliban), baghad, etc. But mecca? Hmm. another causualty to the idea that muslim=ahqmed the rag headed terrorist. And another thing, why do you feel it is the muslim community to turn over osama. That would be like someone expecting the christian community to take the responsiblity of turning in Eric Rudolf or some other KKK/neo-nazi wako.

L


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

I dare any Bush defender, to go to Iraq, and but himself in harm's way.. exactly for what cause? I also urge you to speak to the families of INNOCENT victims of this atrocity.

Ive heard a lot of testimony and have the world of sympathy and prayers for the 9.11 families, but let us Christian hear what the poor Muslim mothers have to say about their dead kids.



User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1331 times:

what the poor Muslim mothers have to say about their dead kids.

You mean the ones that are being taught to hate the American Infidels? That by killing these so-called infidels that paradise and 17 (or however many) virgins will be awaiting them?

I wouldn't give a pitcher of spit for them.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

1.) Thou shall not murder, means not electing democratically a president who has killed thousands of people oversees, many of them are justified, most are UNJISTIFIED.... and that is murder, and you are guilty of murder through your vote.

Accepting the right to bear arms means more murder. A simple equation .. more guns, more murders.


Pro choice advocates anyone????

2.) Was Jesus a man who appreciated an elitist society, where the rich are rich, and the poor are poor.. what do you think Jesus would have to say about a greedy society where 50 million people dont have basic access to health care.

Christianity and Republican conservative way of thought are at the opposite end of the philosophical scale, yet both are synonymous, how the hell did that ever happen?


It's a question of which party has a better value system. Jesus wasn't for do what you want, when you want and how you want.

3.) Was Jesus liberal, or conservative.

God darn it, pick up a bible and read it over.. for the love of god please do.


He was neither and I've read it several times, cover to cover.

1.) Bush committed murder.. there is no way around this concept. His illinformed evidence led to direct murder of many thousands innocent persons. Murder and wars are generally not accepted by the Christian god, especially unjustified.

One thing... you never fight fire with fire. Sept.11 was a terrible tragedy, and absolutely inexcusable. But have you considered that peace and diplomacy could be a more effective tool than killing many innocent people, who will be the future terrorists of the world..

In the Book of Romans it is CLEARLY WRITTEN that bread does better than the sword.


So we should negotiate with Satan? You do realize Mohammad is oen of those false prophets that Christ himself specifically warned against.

2.) Jesus gave plenty of philosophy that goes just beyond his simple words. Jesus promoted equality, feeding and giving back to the poor. Jesus was extremely forgiving and accepting, of all sinners, no matter what the sin was. Of course these can be applied to health care, and general societal common sense.

Health care has nothing to do with it and given the success in Canada it would be more of a problem than a solution.

I wish there were more liberal christians in this world

The reason there aren't is because the liberals turned their backs on those of faith and jump at every opportunity to slap us in the face. I grew up a Democrat until Reagan was elected. That was when the shift took place. Democrats went with a Pro-Choice platform, alignment with the Christian bashing ACLU, the list is quite long.



User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

1.) "Pro choice advocates anyone????"

-Not when that choice could save the lives of many innocent people who die with a bullet in their heads, each year in the streets of America.

Columbine anyone?

2.) "So we should negotiate with Satan? You do realize Mohammad is oen of those false prophets that Christ himself specifically warned against"

-what are you trying to accomplish by this? If Muslims want to believe let them. Its not up to you to change their minds. We have our faith and leave it at that.

3.) "It's a question of which party has a better value system. Jesus wasn't for do what you want, when you want and how you want."

-Absolutely. But he didnt sponsor elitist right-wing politics. He hated tax collectors, and hated the rich. He continually asked rich followers to give everything that they had back to the poor and bear their "crosses" in the jounrye with Jesus. He accepted minorities, asked all to seek a higher purpose than worldy pleasures.

Jesus was far from right-wing.. in fact you can argue his philosophy was the complete opposite.

4.) "Health care has nothing to do with it and given the success in Canada it would be more of a problem than a solution."

-I personally believe that Health Care is a universal right. I believe in a public and private system.

5.) "The reason there aren't is because the liberals turned their backs on those of faith and jump at every opportunity to slap us in the face. I grew up a Democrat until Reagan was elected. That was when the shift took place. Democrats went with a Pro-Choice platform, alignment with the Christian bashing ACLU, the list is quite long."

-Im not arguing for any party.

Im arguing over religious belief interferring with politics. Personally, my position is that if you are right-wing, you are have not fully understood the philosophies and morals of Jesus.

ANd ive got over 50-100 bible quotation which will prove it, if you care to continue this debate  Smile










User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

The basic problem here is too many people claiming to call themselves devout anything are nationalist/whatever first, adherents to their faith second. Somewhere in their convoluted minds, the two mesh and become one. That's what's got most bad situations in the world where they are in the first place. It's an unfortunate precedent of history.


If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

2) Gay rights- Again, clearly cut in the Bible as a despicable and unnatural act. Anyone recall Soddom and Gommorah?


You're not a very good Christian, are you?

If you were, you'd know that Jesus died for the sins of the gays, as well as everyone else. Same reason you can eat shrimp and play football.

Stop picking the parts of the bible that apply to things that you don't like. It makes you look weak and pathetic.

But the bottom line is religion has no place in government. You and I don't believe the same things, so why should your morals apply to me?

If you believe your morals have to apply to me, you're not a conservative. You're a Nazi.

N


25 Aaron747 : ^ best. post. on. topic. EVER. But the bottom line is religion has no place in government. You and I don't believe the same things, so why should your
26 FLYYUL : I see that many christian conservatives have refused to comment further in depth on this thread.. a real shame.
27 Logan22L : For the love of GOD, the bible is a BOOK. It's written by people who INTERPRETED. Do you really believe that Adam and Eve existed??? It's allegorical
28 Post contains images TWFirst : Logan22L: Hallelujah! (pun intended) Finally, the voice of reason!! Thank you!
29 Boeing7E7 : For the love of GOD, the bible is a BOOK. It's written by people who INTERPRETED. Do you really believe that Adam and Eve existed??? It's allegorical
30 Logan22L : Boeing7E7: I am far from being an agnostic. I simply can't understand how people can subscribe to a religion that excludes others. Makes no sense - b
31 Boeing7E7 : When someone proves something in the Bible inaccurate using fact not theory, then we'll talk. As far as being exclusionary... You either believe or yo
32 Logan22L : So, "your" bible is the right one, and "their" bible is wrong? People of other faiths probably would say the same thing you said in reply #31: you're
33 TWFirst : >>It's really quite simple to understand if you are a believer.ME THAT THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU???
34 L410Turbolet : 7E7: So we should negotiate with Satan? You do realize Mohammad is one of those false prophets that Christ himself specifically warned against. Matt d
35 Vaman : "When someone proves something in the Bible inaccurate using fact not theory, then we'll talk" So you expect people to believe in the bible based on f
36 Jaysit : Aren't these the same Christians who drafted the GOP plank to ban ALL abortions and to disregard any form of legal unions between gays which include c
37 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : PROVE to me that Soddomn and G. where destroyed because of the gays. Thanks for showing the gibberish that gets taken out of context from the Bible ti
38 Mdsh00 : When someone proves something in the Bible inaccurate using fact not theory, then we'll talk. Oh there are so many things that are wrong in the Bible.
39 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : Oh there are so many things that are wrong in the Bible. If you took an extensive course in the sciences, youd know that most of Genesis is bunk. When
40 TWFirst : Boeing7E7: You didn't answer whether the following makes sense to you (I'm sure we already know the answer): An omnipotent being, who always existed a
41 Logan22L : So, "your" bible is the right one, and "their" bible is wrong? According to the Bible... Yes: Revelation 22:18 which reads, "If any man shall add unto
42 Post contains links Mdsh00 : One class expert? Before you start talking $hit, maybe you should get to know me a little better. I didn't take one class, this was my MAJOR at UCLA.
43 Jaysit : "And these nasty obnoxious people who drafted this nasty obnoxious agenda feel left out? See above Sir King of Stereotypification." As you were saying
44 Post contains images L410Turbolet : I'm only waiting for 7E7 to claim that Earth is flat with Sun spinning around it...
45 Gigneil : This topic has gotten off course a bit. N
46 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : Before you start talking $hit, maybe you should get to know me a little better. I didn't take one class, this was my MAJOR at UCLA. And what do you do
47 JGPH1A : I cannot believe there are still people out there who believe in Creationism ! Hellloooo !! Have the last 400 years of scientific progress not made a
48 Boeing7E7 : It's all theory. It's a pity it's accepted as fact.
49 JGPH1A : It may be a theory, but at least its plausible, based on observable facts, and stands up to examination (as opposed to the "If you don't believe what
50 Boeing7E7 : No one is threatening being burned at the stake. When the Bible is proven wrong we'll talk. It hasn't therefore it stands in my book. That's my choice
51 JGPH1A : I just find it amazing that someone clearly well educated, living in a modern, literate and technologically advanced civilisation, is prepared to acce
52 Boeing7E7 : The Bible may be a magnificent work of literature, folklore and philosophy, it is not a science textbook. That's your belief. And it's not intended to
53 JGPH1A : Re: Science is often incredibly inaccurate. That's for sure - it is only as good as the latest information we have, and it evolves as our knowledge ex
54 Mdsh00 : Oooh Aahhh UCLA!!! Hurray for Hollywood. You learned well. Glad to see you put you education to uselesness. Figures though. Liberal Arts pukes usually
55 Gigneil : This site will debunk about half the crap you studied so hard for in School, and the other half is coming: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
56 Boeing7E7 : You actually believe sites like this to be evidence of something, don't you? Why don't you try to read a little rather than mock it. They've been arou
57 Gigneil : I'm certainly not claiming they're idiots, but if these Ph.D.s are evangelical Christians, then by definition their science will be skewed by their fa
58 Greasespot : "When the Bible is proven wrong we'll talk" Why is up to people to prove it is wrong. Where is the proof that it is right? Seems on that front proof i
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