BN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5287 posts, RR: 52 Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 880 times:
Well the thunder of Thursday's headlines have already been stolen.. as seen on CNN's News Night, the top headline stories tomorrow are '(Kobe) Bryant Trial Dismissed' - Dallas .. and Keyes slams Cheney's Gay Daughter-Chicago. But every night at the RNC Convention protesters have interrupted the event. But the real story is outside. Over 1700 protesters have been arrested so far out-numbering those arrested during pandemonium of the DNC's 1968 love affair.
But this time around it's Dubya, the self-proclaimed hero of 9/11, returning to that very hollowed ground .. only to be met by a Sea of protesters! It's expected to number in the 100,000s.
Unquestionably, it would be awesome for the RNC to have New Yorkers welcoming them....not booing the hell out of them. This just doesn't look good and the protesters seems to be winning the day. Tomorrow... I guess we'll see...
"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
Air2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 821 times:
Let's see, my brother and sister live in NY. They say its a pain in the ass. There are idiots everywhere handing them handbills and yelling into megaphones and clogging the transit system (as though it isn't stressed enough). Streets closed at random when some group decides to stage some kind of "spontaneous" demonstration.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 811 times:
"I'm guessing the protestors are pissing off New Yorkers more than anyone. I feel sorry for citizens just trying to commute."
Actually the stupid and obnoxious police are randomly arresting New Yorkers who are passing by and holding them in a pen on Pier 57. Nearly 250 New Yorkers who had nothing to do with the protests were held there for over 16 hours with no access to lavatory facilities, phone calls to loved ones, or food. This included a pregnant woman who was on her way to see her OB/GYN.
So much for the GOPS's "people of compassion" and Bloomberg's NYPD.
Air2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 801 times:
Put yourself in the NYPD's position. One of their own was beat on day 1. They don't know who is who. A common tactic in a time of uncertainty is to corral eveyone who may be involved and sort it out later. Sounds harsh, but that's what you get when groups of people can't behave.
As for the country of Democracy and Free Speech; we have the right to peaceful protest and demonstration. We don't have the right to infringe on others rights. When we do that, we invite sanctions.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 799 times:
1700 people arrested !!!
Welcome to the Country of Democracy and Free Speech.
If you don't agree with me, I arrest you....
ROFLMAO!!! Hey Teva, since you are such an expert on our Constitition, can you please tell me which amendment allows people to commit crimes with full immunity as long as they are protesting something?
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7702 posts, RR: 55 Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 798 times:
1700 arrested! And there's only a few hundred thousand protesters. Man, for a country that prides itself on free speech (and with "Liberty Int'l" just down the road), that doesn't look good. In London last year there was two million protesters against the war in Iraq in a single day (Feb 15), and I think the total arrests came out as single figures.
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Air2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 793 times:
And how would you handle a large inter-mingled crowd in which some are causing trouble and others innocent? When the police are out-numbered they have to make quick, and sometimes harsh, decisions to maintain or re-establish order. Sometimes that means innocents will be taken in along with the "alleged guilty".
The alternative is to allow the situation to escalate beyond the ability of the local, assigned unit to contain. Now you have more police pouring into an area, and more demonstrators attracted to the area. How many more innocents will be hurt?
These groups have already shown they can be violent. The police should and must react quickly to contain the situation.
Cptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2550 posts, RR: 14 Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 787 times:
I am curious. Out of one hundred thousand protesters (that's a pretty common figure, so rightly or wrongly, let's use 100,000), how many persons do we think are dissenters from the greater NY area and how many are bussed in from other locales by democratic organizers or other anti-Bush groups? Regards...Jack
Greaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1081 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 776 times:
Again, another case of Americans who cannot find anything better else to do...Sure, you can protest for a day or two. But dragging it on is just a pain in the A**. These people talk about how bad the economy but i don't see them helping.
JetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 767 times:
Cptkrell, from my understanding, a large portion of those folks are not from NYC but bussed in.
Cedarjet, single figure arrests with 2,000,000 people? That commendable. For some reason, we have too many wackos that feel they need to assault people and damage property to make a point. Its GOOD that they are arrested.
VSLover From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1886 posts, RR: 24 Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 739 times:
yeah, as far as ny'ers are concerned, a lot of people left the city early in the week. in my office for example, on my floor alone, monday and tuesday we had 8 people on my floor out of a normal 114, and the same situation for many of our other floors.
more annoying i have found as the week progresses are not so much the protestors but the republicans--in times square all the restaurants are holding special events for delegates each day, and today it took me a good 20 minutes to find the one entrance to my building i could enter through--as it changes each day.
moreover, the lockdown in the area around madison square garden is just KILLING retailes, since most uncredentialed pedestrians cant get in there, and of course the delegates arent shopping. what was supposed to be one of the busiest retailing weeks of the year with back to school shopping combined with the tax-free shopping week has turned out to be a bust for those retailers.
i'm very curious to see what sort of economic impact this convention will have been. it was sold to the city as a boon for economic inflow, but each nigt i go out, its a ghost town out there!
Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6518 posts, RR: 37 Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 707 times:
Put yourself in the NYPD's position. One of their own was beat on day 1.
EXACTLY! These people were/are breaking the law! Committing crimes, assaulting people for no reason and without provocation! I've seen some of them on TV, and they've done nothing but get right up in someone's face, yell at them, browbeat them and hope for a response. So far, not one conventioner has responded.
Again, this is just another stellar example in a long litany of crystal clear examples of the liberals--who preach "tolerance"--being the most intolerant, angry and misguided folks around.
These protesters have a right to PEACFUL assembly, as the Constitution provides. But you don't assault people who disagree with you, goad them into a fistfight in Manhattan, or jack with NYPD.
It proves how unhinged they truly are. Talk about meltdown.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 689 times:
Slider just babbles. Ignore him.
I am in New York today and it seems dead in comparison to a regular Thursday (of course, it could also be that way because its the Thursday before Labor day). As far as arrests go, very few have occurred because the protestors became violent. A majority of arrests were because of crowd control, traffic blockage by protestors, obstruction of entry ways. The fact that one police officer was beaten by a violent protestor doesn't in any way justify random arrests of innocent tax paying New Yorkers who just happened to be present.
The Mayor should step in, and attend to the interests of New Yorkers who in a show of bipartisanship elected him, rather than kiss the asses of a bunch of rightwing yahoos in the convention hall who wouldn't elect a Jew if their lives depended on it.
Richard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1570 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 678 times:
reminds me of when bush came to London, loads of streets were closed because of whitehouse paranoia, and also to avoid bush and protestors in the same shot from any tv angle - he was not at all welcome.
hope NY'ers are not put off and have their say.
25 Slider: oh yes slider, i forgot, if they are protesting, they MUST not be republican. That has nothing to do with it. If some Repugulan scumbags got nasty in
26 L-188: The history however has shown that left wing demonstrators do tend to be more violent then demonstrators on the right. The right wing is more likely t
27 JeffM: "..my nuts aren't slapping your chin." LOL...they probably have not slapped much but your knuckles from what others are telling me....
28 Skyway1: Sorry.....I don't have time to protest.....I have to go to work everyday. Chris