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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

is this a cheap way to bring in a mondeo?


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User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5579 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Huh?
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...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

This thing is a TOTAL VW Passat knock-off! The designer of the Passat went to ford. They are so unoirginal.

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

it looks to me like a mondeo.

there already is a mondeo in the US...its called the Jaguar X-Type.

does anyone know how Ford is positioning this vehicle?



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User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

This will be the Taurus replacement. It will come this fall with the 3.0L 24v Duratec engine. I was lucky enough to sit in one last weekend, and simply put, this car is a glorified Taurus. The front reminds me of a Camry...but at heart it is a Ford.

-TJ


User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

It uses the Volvo P2 platform - found under the S60/V70/S80/XC70/XC90 models.

User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

OMG!  Yeah sure

The rear light clusters say "Mercedes C-Class" to me, where as the front is VW Passat!





Totally rancid!

Justin  Big thumbs up


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

is this a cheap way to bring in a mondeo?

Ford already did that when it introduced the Contour/Mystique back in '95.

FYI, Mercury's version of the Five Hundred will be called Montego. This marks the 2nd time within a year that Mercury uses an old name (last used during the mid-'70s) on a new vehicle; its recently-introduced Freestar-clone uses the old Monterey name.

As AviatorTJ mentioned, this model will eventually replace the Taurus/Sable similar to how the original Taurus/Sable replaced the 'baby' LTD/Marquis back in '86; the two platforms were sold side-by-side for at least the first half of the model year with the older platform bowing out shortly thereafter.

If I'm not mistaken the Freestyle crossover vehicle (wagon/SUV) is also based on the Five Hundred/Montego platform; it even shares the same interior. No Mercury version of the Freestyle is planned as of yet.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7801 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

Soon thousands of business travellers will have the joy of renting these cars at Hertz and Budget rent-a-car locations all over the US and Canada.


The Taurus was LONG overdue for a make-over, last complete redesign was in 1996. While the 500 looks like a good car it does not appear to have caught up to the segment leader Camry and Accord... which are a little more than half way through their product cycles.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

The Taurus was LONG overdue for a make-over, last complete redesign was in 1996.

While the platform may date back to '96, the Taurus/Sable underwent a major exterior/interior overhaul in 2000; the Taurus sedan changes for that year were the most radical.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Hertz and Budget will have to pay me to drive that!!!

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2486 times:

well i was referring to the new mondeo, but is this actually a mondeo?

does the mondeo use Volvo's P2 platform or does it just look slightly similar?

[Edited 2004-09-03 22:03:26]


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User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2483 times:

RE:1996 Taurus Styling....

Looks like a lot of folks didn't take too well to Mr. Telnack's "ovoid" style Taurus/Sable styling. The 2000 restyle was a good fix. The Focus was the only car that was able to look good with that "New Edge" or whatever Dearborn called it, look.

I like the 500. Too bad there's no 'conventional" wagon to go with it. I know the Freestyle is the 'crossover" that should fill that void left by the departing T/S wagons.

And what a pity about the Contour/Mystique. Great cars, but totally over shadowed by the cab-forward Chrysler mid size sedans, I thought. So much more room in a Cirrus/Stratus sedan, than a Contour. And what is it with Ford mid size cars? All great when introduced, sell like hot cakes, then discontinued without a second generation? Maverick, Fairmont, Focus, and Contour. All great cars when introduced, and all shuffled off to the dust bin...



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2475 times:

No, the roofline is Passat, the front (headlights) is from the current Ford Freestar minivan. The back, maybe slightly Mercedes, but not to the extent that the Accord coupe is. The rims on it even look like what the B5 GLS Passats used to have.

While I deplore the car itself, I actually like the current Taurus' styling, especially with those 5-spoke alloy wheels.



The one decent sedan Ford made in the 90's was the Contour SVT. Good car.


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2472 times:

While the '86 Taurus/Sable were like something from another planet when they arrived, the '92 restyle lacked any imagination. They went overboard with the "fish mouth" 1996-1999 T/S twins, but whomever fixed the 200-2004 ought to get a raise. That car looked great. I was considering a Taurus wagon, back in 2002.

I remember standing in a Mercury dealership in 1986 looking at a Sable wagon, and thinking, at the age of 25, that this was a pretty cool car.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2468 times:

All great when introduced, sell like hot cakes, then discontinued without a second generation? Maverick, Fairmont, Focus, and Contour. All great cars when introduced, and all shuffled off to the dust bin...

The Focus is still around; as a matter of fact the 2005 models (which are out now) had a modest facelift and interior redo. We shall see whether a second generation of this car will come out a few years down the road.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7801 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

The European Mondeo is a mid-size, the Taurus is a full-size.

The new Ford mid-size will be riding on the same platform as the Mazda6.


While many people didn't get that entire ovoid theme... it was a little overdone. The 2000 facelift did a good job, but by then a completely new product should have been introduced. I'd actually like to have a 96-99 and a 00-04 side-by-side. I am not sure if there is anything else, on the outside, that is different than the front and rear fascia. I suppose the fenders, trunk lid were modified a bit... but not radically different.

The Cougar was the other FoMoCo product that successfully pulled off the new edge styling. Another short-lived product unfortunately.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Looking at that top picture, I had to do a double take, because at first I thought it was a picture of the old Ford Tempo. The Five Hundred looks like they took an old Tempo and stretched it a bit.

It was originally thought that they would build it at the Atlanta Ford Plant, which builds the Taurus and Sable; the Five Hundred is going to be built at the Chicago Plant that also currently builds the Taurus and Sable. Atlanta will continue building the last years of the Taurus and Sable and will start building a new Ford/Lincoln sport wagon in 2006.


User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

This is the Mondeo being sold in Mexico, I think this could have been a good car in the US market but it was never sold there...........I think some styling cues are very similar in both cars






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User currently offlineMrFord From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 144 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Well I didn't know they were introducing the Five-Hundred in North-America...
I hope they'll bring the 5.0 V8 model as seen in Australia  Smile !
I like the style, very classic, but maybe a bit too anonymous for me... I would take a Mondeo or a Mazda6 over it. They could put a bit of personality on the design, à la Mazda, and I'm sure the sales would benefit of it.

I think they're going to introduce the Contour/Mystique replacement, build on the new Mazda6 platform, by the end of 2005, at least in Canada. I do hope that they will not be too much reliability problem on those models, because while the Contique where formidable cars to drive, some cars had more troubles than average. Build something as tough as my Tempo and my Topaz, and I'll buy it hehe  Big grin.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

I have a cousin whose mother bought him a used Mystique. That thing has had recall after recall, like the Ford Focus. My aunt swears up and down that from here on out, she'll be going Honda.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

As one of my high school friends put in her Senior Quote:

"Friends don't let friends drive Fords."

I've only ever owned one Ford, a 1990 Taurus, and I ended up putting in about half as much money into it for repairs in the 30 months I had it paid for it originally. I paid $3600 for it in January of 1996 and when I traded it in June of 1998 (surprisingly, I got $1000 for it in trade) I estimated that I had spent somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000 in repairs on it.

Of all of the cars I have had, that Ford was the most troublesome car I ever owned (the Nissan I had after that was a dog, but not to the extent that the Taurus was.) I've had the best luck with GM and Chrysler products.


User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2339 times:

DesertJets wrote "I suppose the (96-99 vs. 00-04 Taurus) fenders, trunk lid were modified a bit...but not radically different." Actually, this is where major tooling was invested; totally new rear quarters, fender and deck lid raised about a half-foot higher to get rid of the glass fishbowls and accomodate the more conservative backlight and side window openings. You are right, though, the styling flavor of the rest of the car was retained.

Taurus was the best-selling U.S. nameplate from it's introduction through the first year of the fishbowl (albet, Ford has a perpetual habit of including fleet sales in it's figures). I am not surprised that sales dropped off; the fishbowl was ungainly, except the wagon versions are definately camp.

I may have even seen a few Ford 500s here on the streets of Dearborn and not noticed them. Definately not good if so. I was expecting a more aggressive RWD proportion as shown at the Detroit auto show two years ago. The pictures posted above are sort of like a "me-too", almost invisible car with no personality. Maybe they should have named it 'Taurus II' ?




all best; jack
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

I think they're going to introduce the Contour/Mystique replacement, build on the new Mazda6 platform, by the end of 2005, at least in Canada.

Contour/Mystique replacement? Both cars were dropped after the 2000 model year. The Focus, which was originally intended to replace just the Escort, wound up replacing both the Escort and Contour.



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User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

D'oh, PHLBOS, I meant, the TEMPO, not Focus! My bad....


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25 Drerx7 : Chrysler 300 decimated this garbage in sales numbers before it even came out. It doesn't stand a chance on the market.
26 Tristarenvy : If Dodge makes the Magnum into a sedan, and lowers the price, then Ford will have some very stiff competition in that market segment.
27 Stretch 8 : The "Five Hundred" name is meaningless without the ue of the great old Ford moniker: "Galaxy 500."
28 PHLBOS : The "Five Hundred" name is meaningless without the use of the great old Ford moniker: "Galaxy 500." From Coporal Ed Sanow's Enclyclopedia of American
29 Tristarenvy : I've notice here in the Tampa bay area, PHLBOS, that a lot of local cop shops will order Vicky's in droves, BUT when the Dodge Intrepid gets into it's
30 PHLBOS : One wonders if Daimler-Chrysler will bring out an "Enforcer 300" cop car. I would be surprised if Chrysler didn't offer a police package of the 300C (
31 Tristarenvy : Ah, brings back memories of the 80's, or as some cops in our area called it, "The Decade of The DIP" That wonderful Diplomat/Gran Fury would probably
32 PHLBOS : I think the Magnum would be a logical choice, as a COP 300 might be thought of as "downgrading" the car. Wouldn't be the first time a Chrysler police
33 Tristarenvy : It should be rebaged, if they do a cop version. Call it a "Newport", or "Windsor" or something like that. Somebody gave me a pair of books, a few year
34 PHLBOS : And the #1 was the '69 Dodge/Plymouth "fuselage" bodied squad, if memory serves.... Top speed of 147-149 mph with the 440 Magnum. No police-packaged S
35 Tristarenvy : I wonder if Ford will attempt a RWD car, after the Vic get's put down. Seems to me that when the boy's in Dearborn see all the great press the 300 is
36 DesertJets : For 2005 there will be "Special duty" versions of the Magnum available to police forces... with the 3.5L V6 and 5.7L Hemi V8. The 4-door Dodge will be
37 Cptkrell : Surprise, surprise, the current FWD Impala is in the pipeline to be replaced as a RWD as is the Monte Carlo. Sorry I can't give you specificities, but
38 Tristarenvy : Maybe FoMoCo should have gone deeper into it's heritage, hung a horse collar grill on the 500, and called it something like, Pacer, Ranger, Corsair, o
39 PHLBOS : Somebody gave me a pair of books, a few years back, about Mopar Cop cars, and the 79-81 Newport/St.Regis/Gran Fury came in #2 on the list off all time
40 Tristarenvy : "In 1974, Chrysler Corp. has no such product; the imported Colts and Crickets weren't that great nor were big sellers. As a result, Chrysler started l
41 DesertJets : In the auto industry you are only as good as your latest efforts and as bad as your worst product in the past 20 years. While the mid-sized family sed
42 Tristarenvy : And whatever Mr. Goshen and Nissan may have up their sleeves, too, will give the 500 a good run. That Altima is a superior looking car, I thinks.
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