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Bill Clinton Headed To The Hospital  
User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Just heard on WBAP (DFW) that Bill Clinton is on his way to the Columbia Medical for a quadruple by-pass.

Hope it goes well.

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21525 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Wow, never knew he was having heart trouble. Hope he's all right.


7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Should have layed off the Egg McMuffins.

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Not my favorite president, but heartfelt thoughts and prayers to him and his family.

He was at our local Barnes and Noble for a book-signing two days ago.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Well, I dislike his politics but I hope he has a quick recovery. Despite my personal feelings about Bill Clinton, wishing harm on him would bring me down to the level of those who wish for death on the current President.


"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

I know a few people that had that procedure. From what they say, it is becoming almost routine anymore, he should make it through just fine. I wish him the best, and a quick recovery.

User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

Well, I dislike his politics but I hope he has a quick recovery. Despite my personal feelings about Bill Clinton, wishing harm on him would bring me down to the level of those who wish for death on the current President.

Ditto... But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine.



User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

Ditto... But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine.


Don't spout on about things you have no idea or experience of. Even Richard Nixon considered socialised medicine to be a good idea. Healthcare is the last-gasp political football for those who don't have a clue, and it should NEVER be a right-left issue.

Anyway, a bypass these days is like having your appendix done. It's not even considered to be particularly serious if done by the keyhole method, and the patient is generally out within a week.


User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5680 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine.

Self-proclaimed best country in the world and 40 million people have no access to affordable basic medical insurance. Strange and sad.


User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

Ha! There goes old slick Willie again! If there's one thing that's as definite as death and taxes, it's that Clinton can't be trusted.

We all know he's not REALLY getting a quadruple by pass! This is just a distraction to reduce Bush's momentum coming off the convention!

No different than when he struck at bin Laden to distract the country from him getting a blow job!

He's probably off in some part of a Hollywood estate. What a selfish ego maniac!

 Big grin
B

(In all seriousness, God Bless and get well soon)


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Healthcare is the last-gasp political football for those who don't have a clue, and it should NEVER be a right-left issue.

Best post on that topic I've ever seen here.



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

Self-proclaimed best country in the world and 40 million people have no access to affordable basic medical insurance. Strange and sad.


Obviously not if you are a blatant apologist for those who put profit before health.

It's a proven fact that American healthcare per capita is both poorer in coverage and more expensive than the comparable healthcare in nations with socialised healthcare. But then again...socialised healthcare doesn't make billions on Wall Street. Does it?

Example: Metformin tablets. Millions use them for diabetes. Cost in the US about 50c each to the patient.

Cost to the socialised NHS...about 3.8c

Cost to a British diabetic...nil

Now tell me that private healthcare is *Soooo* much better as a frontline strategy?


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

Example: Metformin tablets. Millions use them for diabetes. Cost in the US about 50c each to the patient.

Cost to the socialised NHS...about 3.8c

Cost to a British diabetic...nil


Before anyone picks up on this, cost at point of use, nil. Cost to the individual taxpayer, £0.0000000000357. Hmm.


User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

I hope Bill recovers nicely and yes this is routine anymore and actually has a very low mortality rate especially for people his age.




"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine.

LOL.

I don't think we're having so many accidents during heart surgery in Europe.
But nonsense is always cool, isn't it ?


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1361 times:

Example: Metformin tablets. Millions use them for diabetes. Cost in the US about 50c each to the patient.

Cost to the socialised NHS...about 3.8c

Cost to a British diabetic...nil

Now tell me that private healthcare is *Soooo* much better as a frontline strategy?


Ooohhh....50 cents!!! Ohmigod, how do people pay for that? What a horrible tragedy! It's criminal! Those poor, downtrodden diabetics must have to choose between food or medication daily! *tongue firmly implanted in cheek*  Yeah sure

Back on topic, I hope the former President has a safe, successful surgery and recovers well. Politics aside, I wish no ill will on him.


User currently offlineRT514 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Ooohhh....50 cents!!! Ohmigod, how do people pay for that? What a horrible tragedy! It's criminal! Those poor, downtrodden diabetics must have to choose between food or medication daily! *tongue firmly implanted in cheek*

You're only trumpeting aloud how much you really don't understand this at all, Slider. I won't go on, in the interest of not hijacking this thread.


Best wishes to Bill. He was president during the majority of my time as a US resident in the past and I rather liked the guy.


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4477 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

50 cents a tablet is actually quite expensive. Then also consider all the other medications a diabetic may have to take. My grandmother is a diabetic who has to take a cocktail of medicine each morning. Some of those pills are 200 dollars a bottle.

Grow some compassion. It could be you someday.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1339 times:

You're only trumpeting aloud how much you really don't understand this at all, Slider.

I understand that universal socialized health care is not a Constitutional right.

I understand that the United States has the FINEST health care on the planet.

I also understand that we have a health COST crisis. The reasons for that are numerous--among them:

* US companies engage in the most R&D anywhere on the planet. They shouldn't have to give away their product and the fruits of their energies.
* The insurance system is completely screwed up. This is a sep thread altogether.
* Illegal immigration: the costs of providing free unlimited medical care has already manifested itself in terms of higher insurance costs, escalated "rack" costs for basic care and procedures, and has burdened the rest of the system.
* Tort reform: medical malpractice claims and the punitive damages promoted by a corrupt trial lawyers association and runaway litigiousness hamper doctors.

If Lilly develops a heart disease drug that someone can get that saves their life and maintains a healthy quality of life, and that drug costs $3 a day, then what the hell are people complaining about? That equates to $90 a month, but what is the price people will pay? Even the poor in America have satellite dishes, cell phones, etc, so don't dare preach to me about how screwed up OUR system is when the corrupt bureaucrats, the leeching illegal immigrants, and the liberals pontificate about the need to socialize health care. No one in America is being refused service.


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5015 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

I understand that the United States has the FINEST health care on the planet.

No you don't. You have one of the best EMERGENCY care systems in the world. When comparing to socialised systems, the US spends hardly anything on prevention, because prevention doesn't generate profits for the big pharmaceutical companies. It's one of the reasons why costs are out of control. And prevention is at least as important as emergency care, if not even more important.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1308 times:

Scorpio- I will concur with you about prevention. Most of that is driven by unhealthy lifestyles. The downside of a free society is that people are free to shovel crap into them, consume bad stuff and ultimately, drive costs of medical care and medical resources out of reach of others.

We are the richest country on the planet, and we are the fattest. It's embarrassing. Good point!


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Amongst wealthy countries, you have both the best and the worst. Fine if you have access to the best, not so if you don't. It's a decision every society has to come to, how you distribute health resources. It just worries me slightly that some people don't seem to care about those who don't get it.

Best wishes to Mr Clinton.




She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

Do you think Hillary will go visit him?

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

Do you think Hillary will go visit him?

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy Ha! If so, she should call first so as not to interrupt his dalliances with any of the nurses.

Good luck Bill! Get well soon Bubba.


User currently offlineSoaringadi From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

I think his heart trouble was more due to the Bush -- Kerry topics on this forum.

Anyways I just hope the best for him. Get well soon Bill.
And also remember if you somehow compete for the elections, I always voting for you.

Get well soon  Smile



If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going !
25 N6376m : We can all think what we want about Bubba's politics but I think that we can all agree on the fact that it would probably be a blast to party with the
26 Mirrodie : Too bad he didn't have an intern to keep him in good better health!
27 Airplay : Ditto... But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine. Are you suggesting that people who do rely on Socialized Medici
28 Mdsh00 : I highly doubt that the same doctor that will be mending Clinton won't touch someone with no insurance or other means to pay. I think that is a very
29 N6376m : So when are you going to give us the money you owe us? Freeloader.
30 777236ER : I understand that the United States has the FINEST health care on the planet. I also understand that we have a health COST crisis. Surely that's an ox
31 Mdsh00 : So when are you going to give us the money you owe us? Freeloader. Who?
32 N6376m : The american taxpayers who ended up footing the bill for your grandfather. Is there no sense of familial honor and duty to pay one's debts?
33 Mdsh00 : Um...no our family did pay it off. I was trying to make a point to Airplay that the medical profession here will not deny service to anyone on ability
34 N6376m : I'm just joking. Your point is very valid. There is a federal law (which I believe requires that notice of its policies be posted in ER's) that requir
35 777236ER : The liberal notion that there are people who are dying in the US because they don't have access to healthcare is just false. Clearly it's true. Cancer
36 Mdsh00 : ack..too high strung today to catch the joke. There is a federal law that requires all hospitals to provide emergency treatment without consideration
37 777236ER : Eligibility: Medicaid eligibility is limited to individuals who fall into specified categories. The federal statute identifies over 25 different eligi
38 JeffM : "In 1996, 1 in 7 American children didn't have health insurance. Doesn't that say something to you? Let's take it further. Does the right wing want to
39 777236ER : Why do you want the government to pay for your healthcare? Are you incapable of paying for it yourself? Why not just let the Gov't cover your car insu
40 RT514 : I understand that universal socialized health care is not a Constitutional right. You're right there, Slider. I've always felt that the Constitution w
41 JeffM : "In the UK the government WILL pay for heating, electricity and councils will provide free rubbish-disposal if you can't pay. " It's not your governme
42 Mdsh00 : So, can anyone get cancer treatment if they can't pay in the US? Yes, under medicare as cancer is a disabling disease. The system here is in need of r
43 Post contains links 777236ER : It's not your government paying for it dumbass, it is YOU and the other TAXPAYERS paying for it. How hard is that to understand? Please no personal in
44 L410Turbolet : Why do you want the government to pay for your healthcare? Are you incapable of paying for it yourself? Why not just let the Gov't cover your car insu
45 RT514 : 777236ER, that (Reply #43) was one of the most clever and witty posts I've seen around here in quite a while. (Not to mention correct and accurate, to
46 777236ER : Yes, under medicare as cancer is a disabling disease. The system here is in need of reform but is not inhumane like you seem to be thinking. I never s
47 Mdsh00 : No because government provided healthcare isn't given to the healthy, meaning that I cannot get medicare because I am financially capable to afford he
48 Dan-air : Boeing7E7 said: Ditto... But I guess it's a good thing he doesn't have to rely on Socialized Medicine. You mean it's a good thing Clinton has health i
49 JeffM : "..everyone gets heating, electricity and rubbish-disposal, regardless of whether they can pay or not." Where is the incentive to want to go to work a
50 StevenUhl777 : Funny how right to run around with guns is and even in 21st century the right to basic health care is not Hey, the founding fathers wrote the Constitu
51 Airplay : I think that is a very offending statement about the U.S. healthcare system. When my grandfather came to visit here 14 years ago, he had a stroke and
52 Yanksn4 : I just want to say that even though I am not a fan at all of former President Bill Clintion, I wish him all the luck in the world with this surgery. M
53 RT514 : Where is the incentive to want to go to work and earn it? If you are going to pay for me, hell, I'll just stay home and collect my money from you. You
54 L-188 : In the UK the government WILL pay for heating, electricity and councils will provide free rubbish-disposal if you can't pay So what you are saying is
55 RT514 : Socialized medicine is rationed medicine. Really? As a resident of Canada and Australia, I haven't discovered any "rations" or "quotas" in the health
56 L-188 : Alberta, where a lot of my relatives live is not the same as Ottawa, in fact I would go so far as to say that it's distance from Ontario helps them ke
57 Post contains links and images L-188 : Btw RT: Are these stories false then, from the Toronto "Red" Star (I only read it as a counter to Foxnews ) Hospitals threaten cuts Some kind of healt
58 RT514 : Alberta, where a lot of my relatives live is not the same as Ottawa... Ottawa is largely irrelevant as the provinces fund the vast majority of their o
59 L-188 : Socialized health care is simply not the big bad demon that some make it out to be. Here is my version. Socialized health care can not and will not of
60 Post contains images RT514 : A fair opinion, L-188, and although disagreed, I can certainly respect that. Now if only I didn't feel so bad about my contributing to the hijacking o
61 J_hallgren : I heard that Bill was sent home by first hospital in town and went to second one, which did more tests...so how soon will Edwards file a malpractice s
62 L-188 : I dunno, but some group just released a report that Edwards made 39 Million as a malpractice attorney over the past 10 years.
63 Banco : L-188, you do realise that in many countries there's a private sector as well as a state health service, don't you?
64 L-188 : Yes Banco....the US included. And there is where my concerns lie, knowing how the VA and the BIA hosptial systems operate, I would not want to take ei
65 ZKSUJ : All the best to Mr Clinton, I hope he makes a full recovery soon from his quadrople bypass.
66 Post contains links Airplay : Why are there only 150 odd MRI machines in a nation of 20 million people, where are cancer patients being routed to New York clinics because the ones
67 L-188 : Did you know that Canada also receives Americans for treatments that they would otherwise not have available to them without having to travel great di
68 777236ER : No because government provided healthcare isn't given to the healthy, meaning that I cannot get medicare because I am financially capable to afford he
69 777236ER : And while we're at it, you have to pay a Medicare rate?! So can poor people with cancer truly get all the treatment they need?
70 Post contains images JeffM : This topic has strayed way too far off the original... Let's put it back on track.... I had to laugh when I heard Bill's line about the Republicans ar
71 Sv7887 : Hi All, This healthcare debate is quite interesting...It boils down to the equity vs efficiency argument doesn't it? I've used the NHS system before..
72 Slider : JeffM, your analogy has one major flaw. Your life is dependent on good health. It is not dependent on having a nicely painted house. RT514- You correc
73 Airplay : BTW, I dispatch airplanes that go to Canada to pick these people up. The Canadian health care system has a primary goal. its to effectively and effici
74 RT514 : And when are our politicians going to have the balls to stand in the gap and confront the trial lawyers, the malpractice industry, the crisis of illeg
75 TACAA320 : I really hope for a full sooner recovery. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
76 L-188 : I assume that this is the case in several of your dispatched medical aircraft L-188. The billing work is done by the hospital that we have the contrac
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