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Bush Wrongly Quotes Liberal Media In NY  
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

"Painting himself as the noble agent for "the transformational power of liberty" abroad, he said "there have always been doubters" when America uses its "strength" to "advance freedom": "In 1946, 18 months after the fall of Berlin to Allied forces, a journalist in The New York Times wrote this: 'Germany is a land in an acute stage of economic, political and moral crisis. European capitals are frightened. In every military headquarters, one meets alarmed officials doing their utmost to deal with the consequences of the occupation policy that they admit has failed.' End quote. Maybe that same person's still around, writing editorials.

She isn't. Anne O'Hare McCormick, who died in 1954, was The Times's pioneering foreign affairs correspondent who covered the real Axis of Evil, interviewing Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini and Patton. She was hardly a left-wing radical or defeatist. In 1937, she became the first woman to win a Pulitzer Prize in journalism, and she was the first woman to be a member of The Times's editorial board.

The president distorted the columnist's dispatch. The "moral crisis" and failure she described were in the British and French sectors. She reported that the Americans were doing better because of their policy to "encourage initiative and develop self-government." She wanted the U.S. to commit more troops and stay the course - not cut and run.

Mr. Bush Swift-boated her."

read the entire article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/05/opinion/05dowd.html




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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

Mr Bush didn't swift boat her.

His speechwriters and those really in power did.

Mr. Bush merely reads the teleprompter, a skill at which he has certainly improved over the past 4 years.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17827 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1143 times:

So now "swift boat" is a verb meaning to misquote? In other words, Monsieur Moore swift boated about 100 people in just one movie?


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

I suppose 100 million is better than 300 million.

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

Jaysit;

You would think that he would at least understand what he is reading, well I guess for a man who doesn't read newspapers this is what you get.

MaverickM11 & WellHung;

Let's stick to the point, Moore is a filmmaker, Bush is a President.

Going by your logic, the American people are being hoodwinked by their own president. Shameful.


User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1130 times:



>Mr. Bush merely reads the teleprompter<<

While DickeyC stands above him and controls the strings.....



Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1111 times:

Boy, you guys did not seem to mind when Michael Moore or John Kerry say things that are misleading or out of context. Bunch of hypocrits...

Let's stick to the point, Moore is a filmmaker, Bush is a President.

And the Swift Boat Vets are private citizens speaking their mind, as promissed in the 1st amendment, which was designed to protect speech of a political nature most of all, not the right to display gay porn at art shows.

The facts are that, if you look at newspapers and magazines for 1945-1950 or so, you will find that indeed European, and particularly German reconstruction, was considered by many to be a black hole for money, and with little hope for success. Die-hard Nazis were still conducting "resistance" well into 1946. There was fear that, given the opportunity to decide their own fate via democracy, the Germans would make choices that would only lead to more misery (again, after the 1932 elections).

It is a fact that even with a generally educated, hard-working and disciplined people like the Germans, rebuilding Germany took a long time and was not far from complete failure many times. Iraqis will be even tougher, considering their characteristics, but it is far too soon to call Iraq a failure. What took 5 years in Germany might take 10 or 20 in Iraq.

Charles

[Edited 2004-09-06 15:46:19]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1078 times:

Cfalk: It is a fact that even with a generally educated, hard-working and disciplined people like the Germans, rebuilding Germany took a long time and was not far from complete failure many times. Iraqis will be even tougher, considering their characteristics, but it is far too soon to call Iraq a failure. What took 5 years in Germany might take 10 or 20 in Iraq.

The self-delusion of the neocons just lies in the fact that there are several fundamental differences:

  • Germany had started World War II, and every german knew the defeat was merely the deserved backlash. Iraq was attacked without posing a threat to the USA or anybody else. Many americans still seem to believe otherwise, but the iraqis know better than that.

  • Germany had suffered a complete moral breakdown. Iraq suffered under its dictator but had no remotely comparable history.

  • Germany had declared war on the USA unprovoked. The USA have declared war on Iraq unprovoked.

  • The US occupation of Germany was a good deal more benevolent than the one of Iraq. Among other things, there was no parallel to Abu Ghraib.

  • Germany already had a strong cultural basis and even some democratic history to build a new democracy on. Iraq has none of that.


It is not just a matter of time. Ignoring the lessons of history is very dangerous. And apparently, the aggressors this time had no idea what they were getting their troops into.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1077 times:

" What took 5 years in Germany might take 10 or 20 in Iraq."

Oh, is that so? Easy for you to say, since a. your goddamned taxes thare not funding this misadventure; and b. its highly doubtful if your spawn will be taking the bullets in Iraq. Or Afghanistan.

So pour yourself another glass of Chablis in the comfort of neutral Switzerland, spread some more brie on a cracker, and keep telling us how we should keep supporting a lying President.

Hypocrite.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1045 times:

in the 1st amendment, which was designed to protect speech of a political nature most of all, not the right to display gay porn at art shows.

I don't think you're qualified to comment on what it was designed to protect. It was designed to protect both, and if people want to display gay porn at art shows, they should without question be allowed.

Its called freedom, right? That's what we're supposed to have here, aren't we?

N


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

"Mr. Bush didn't swift boat her.

His speechwriters and those really in power did.

Mr. Bush merely reads the teleprompter, a skill at which he has certainly improved over the past 4 years."


You would think that as interim president of the US, he would have the brains to:

1. Understand the facts that he is quoting
2. Hire speechwriters who have an understanding of history.

But noooo, we have a president who admits to not even reading newspapers, in spite of the fact he married a librarian.


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