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So.. When Will Bush Face A Military Tribunal?  
User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1277 times:

And this time, it has nothing to do with Iraq and al.

You see, in Japan, a former US soldier sits, awaiting to be handed off to the US and facing punishment for crossing the line and deserting to North Korea in the Korean War.

Now, the Pentagon have just released Dubya's military record (which noone seems to know existed, just ask the Dubya campaign), and according to them, there is a big problem.

(A preemptive link: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/09/08/bush_fell_short_on_duty_at_guard)

On July 30, 1973, shortly before he moved from Houston to Cambridge (To study at Harvard), Bush signed a document that declared, ''It is my responsibility to locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary order to active duty for up to 24 months. . . " Under Guard regulations, Bush had 60 days to locate a new unit.

... In 1999, Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post that Bush finished his six-year commitment at a Boston area Air Force Reserve unit after he left Houston. Not so, Bartlett now concedes. ''I must have misspoke
(Misspoke? I thought that word was reserved for Dubya's lies/flip-flops/mistakes)," Bartlett, who is now the White House communications director, said in a recent interview.

So, the precedent is already in place, along with the necessary laws/rules/codes* - when will we see Dubya behind bars at a military installation? Btw, how can any military personnell even support this guy? He gets a freebie on Vietnam that he can't even be bothered to use.

*From The Uniform Code of Military Justice:
10 USC 843 (no statute of limitations for desertion/AWOL during wartime)

10 USC 882-893, 907,921 (crimes under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, solicitation, desertion, AWOL, missing movement, failure to obey regulation, false official statements, larceny)

10 USC 937 (UCMJ articles explained)

http://www.glcq.com/source_documents.htm

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User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

CPH-R,

You really do hate Bush don't you  Big grin hehe
Or have RSmith hijacked your computer?  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Nah, no hackers yet - just a profound dislike for Bush and all of his "conservative" ideas. Seriously, the current US politics have very little to do with the values I hold (even though I'm a conservative myself) and very much to do with an overblown christian faith. I know I'd hate to see the Christians People Party rule Denmark  Insane

[Edited 2004-09-08 12:04:41]

User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Hehe.... I know what you mean.
I'm glad that I live in the Neutral country of Switzerland now. Although I'm going to a job interview in CPH on friday. Big grin


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

CPH-R:

GWB will never face a Military Tribunal!

He takes his family/relatives and flee to some country in the Middle East with all the Bin Laden money George Jr & Sr got from Saud Arabia.........

Micke



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

Interesting. Be prepared for all the Bush supporters here to respond that the Globe is just another left wing paper that's picking on poor Dubya.

Knowing that he didn't have what it takes to serve his country and now having the blood of 1000 American men and women who have lost their lives in Iraq on his hands, I wonder how he can look himself in the mirror.


User currently offlineFJWH From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 969 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

Bush, Kerry, War, Terrorism ...........

A few more posts and Pilot Kaz will kill her self...

Tjap

DON'T you do it Kaz WE LOVE YOU!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy Smile/happy/getting dizzy
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/site_related/read.main/26357/



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1205 times:

QIGuy24,
so you're coming back, eh? They all come back! Perhaps we will then be enough for a A.net gather at the Roskilde Airshow next year Big grin

Itsjustme,
Nah, I think they're all stuck in the Kerry flip-flop thread - after all, that is the RNC's main issues of the coming election.

Tjap,
how could you - Kaz is a very emotional person, at least according to herself  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

I don't know yet. It depends if I get the job. Big grin
But I hate to come back to the high taxes!!  Laugh out loud But money isn't everything.

[Edited 2004-09-08 13:31:25]

User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6005 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

It isn't?  Laugh out loud That's a new one Big grin

User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1191 times:

hehe. Yeah I know. Big grin But I just wanted to sound intelligent for once  Big grin
So stop ruin it for me please. hehe

I'll send you a mial BTW. I have a question for you.


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

Itsjustme,
Nah, I think they're all stuck in the Kerry flip-flop thread - after all, that is the RNC's main issues of the coming election.


Well now Cheney has upped the anti by making the ridiculous statement that if Americans vote for Kerry on November 2nd, we will be prone for another terror attack. I wonder how the Republicans will defend that assanine attempt to scare people into voting for duh duh Dubya.


User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7637 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Whatever exactly happened 30 years ago, I do not see GWB in court any time soon.

User currently offlineFJWH From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 969 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1131 times:

CPH-R:

Yeah al those women are emotional. They have problems all the time, there always wining about things and in the worst case the woman( maybe your girlfriend) in person is going to harass you with that problem  Smile.


Ah but what the heck, I still love them  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1074 times:

"So.. When Will Bush Face A Military Tribunal?"

About the time Tasha proves "she's" not another Piedmontgirl..

[Edited 2004-09-09 18:51:16]

User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1026 times:

The controversy over Bush's service centers on what his critics call "the period in question," that is, the time from May 1972 until May 1973. What is not mentioned as often is that that period was in fact Bush's fifth year in the Guard, one that followed four years of often intense service.

Bush joined in May 1968. He went through six weeks of basic training — a full-time job — at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Tex. Then he underwent 53 weeks of flight training — again, full time — at Moody Air Force Base in Valdosta, Ga. Then he underwent 21 weeks of fighter interceptor training — full time — at Ellington Air Force Base in Houston. Counting other, shorter, postings in between, by the end of his training period Bush had served two years on active duty.

Certified to fly the F-102 fighter plane, Bush then began a period of frequent — usually weekly — flying. The F-102 was designed to shoot down other fighter planes, and the missions Bush flew were training flights, mostly over the Gulf of Mexico and often at night, in which pilots took turns being the predator and the prey."If you're going to practice how to shoot down another airplane, then you have to have another airplane up there to work on," recalls retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971. "He'd be the target for the first half of the mission, and then we'd switch."

During that period Bush's superiors gave him consistently high ratings as a pilot. "Lt. Bush is an exceptional fighter interceptor pilot and officer," wrote one in a 1972 evaluation. Another evaluation, in 1971, called Bush "an exceptionally fine young officer and pilot" who "continually flies intercept missions with the unit to increase his proficiency even further." And a third rating, in 1970, said Bush "clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot" and was also "a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership."

All that flying involved quite a bit of work. "Being a pilot is more than just a monthly appearance," says Bob Harmon, a former Guard pilot who was a member of Bush's group in 1971 and 1972. "You cannot maintain your currency by doing just one drill a month. He was flying once or twice a week during that time, from May of 1971 until May of 1972." While the work was certainly not as dangerous as fighting in the jungles of Vietnam, it wasn't exactly safe, either. Harmon remembers a half-dozen Texas Air National Guard fliers who died in accidents over the years, in cluding one during the time Bush was flying. "This was not an endeavor without risk," Harmon notes.


THE MOVE TO ALABAMA
The records show that Bush kept up his rigorous schedule of flying through the spring of 1972: He was credited for duty on ten days in March of that year, and seven days in April. Then, as Bush began his fifth year of service in the Guard, he appears to have stepped back dramatically. The records indicate that he received no credit in May, June, July, August, and September 1972. In October, he was credited with two days, and in November he was credited with four. There were no days in December, and then six in January 1973. Then there were no days in February and March.

The change was the result of Bush's decision to go to Alabama to work on the Senate campaign of Republican Winton Blount. With an obligation to the Guard, Bush asked to perform equivalent service in Alabama. That was not an unusual request, given that members of the Guard, like everyone else, often moved around the country. "It was a common thing," recalls Brigadier General Turnipseed. "If we had had a guy in Houston, he could have made equivalent training with Bush's unit. It was so common that the guy who wrote the letter telling Bush to come didn't even tell me about it."

The president's critics have charged that he did not show up for service — was "AWOL" — in Alabama. Bush says he did serve, and his case is supported by records showing that he was paid and given retirement credit for days of service while he was known to be in Alabama. The records also show that Bush received a dental examination on January 6, 1973, at Dannelly Air National Guard base, home of the 187th (January 6 was one of the days that pay records show Bush receiving credit for service). And while a number of Guard members at the base say they do not remember seeing Bush among the roughly 900 men who served there during that time, another member, a retired lieutenant named John Calhoun, says he remembers seeing Bush at the base several times.

What seems most likely is that Bush was indeed at Dannelly, but there was not very much for a non-flying pilot to do. Flying fighter jets involves constant practice and training; Bush had to know when he left Texas that he would no longer be able to engage in either one very often, which meant that he would essentially leave flying, at least for some substantial period of time. In addition, the 187th could not accommodate another pilot, at least regularly. "He was not going to fly," says Turnipseed. "We didn't have enough airplanes or sorties to handle our own pilots, so we wouldn't have done it for some guy passing through."

On the other hand, showing up for drills was still meeting one's responsibility to the Guard. And, as 1973 went along, the evidence suggests that Bush stepped up his work to make up for the time he had missed earlier. In April of that year, he received credit for two days; in May, he received credit for 14 days; in June, five days; and in July, 19 days. That was the last service Bush performed in the Guard. Later that year, he asked for and received permission to leave the Guard early so he could attend Harvard Business School. He was given an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months, and five days of his original six-year commitment.

The records indicate that, despite his move to Alabama, Bush met his obligation to the Guard in the 1972-73 year. At that time, Guardsmen were awarded points based on the days they reported for duty each year. They were given 15 points just for being in the Guard, and were then required to accumulate a total of 50 points to satisfy the annual requirement. In his first four years of service, Bush piled up lots of points; he earned 253 points in his first year, 340 in his second, 137 in his third, and 112 in his fourth. For the year from May 1972 to May 1973, records show Bush earned 56 points, a much smaller total, but more than the minimum requirement (his service was measured on a May-to-May basis because he first joined the Guard in that month in 1968).

Bush then racked up another 56 points in June and July of 1973, which met the minimum requirement for the 1973-74 year, which was Bush's last year of service. Together, the record "clearly shows that First Lieutenant George W. Bush has satisfactory years for both '72-'73 and '73-'74, which proves that he completed his military obligation in a satisfactory manner," says retired Lt. Col. Albert Lloyd, a Guard personnel officer who reviewed the records at the request of the White House.

All in all, the documents show that Bush served intensively for four years and then let up in his fifth and sixth years, although he still did enough to meet Guard requirements. The records also suggest that Bush's superiors were not only happy with his performance from 1968 to 1972, but also happy with his decision to go to Alabama. Indeed, Bush's evaluating officer wrote in May 1972 that "Lt. Bush is very active in civic affairs in the community and manifests a deep interest in the operation of our government. He has recently accepted the position as campaign manager for a candidate for United States Senate. He is a good representative of the military and Air National Guard in the business world."




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