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Could A 12-year-old Consent To Full Sex?  
User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15561 times:

Do you think a 12-year-old has sufficient maturity or understanding or whatever to be able to consent to penetrative sex?


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
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User currently offlineAlcregular From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15500 times:

Ooh, don't like the sound of this.

Why, what plans do you have tonight?

[Edited 2004-09-09 00:25:10]

User currently offlineTristar100 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15501 times:

Simple answer - No!

What are your thoughts? I have just heard the story that are reffering to.

Steve.


User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15474 times:

LOL not a 12-year-old and a 22-year-old (i.e. me!) lol. I read that a 12-year-old could not understand what sex is about and so could not really consent to it, hence my thread.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15472 times:

Yes.

Signed.....too obvious.


User currently offlineTristar100 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15455 times:

Pearson,

Are you reffering to the story of an 18yr old who admitted twice having sex with a 12yr old girl and he was spared jail?

Steve.


User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2474 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15453 times:

NOT where I live! A 12-year old, despite whatever physical maturity he or she may possess, is still emotionally MOSTLY a child. Though kids that age and younger often do have sex, it's just wrong, especially when initiated by an adult. Such adults are degenerates in my book and beneath contempt. I didn't hear this 'story' referred to but I sincerely hope you've no thoughts in this direction, PE@rson. If you do, I've two words for you: Michael Jackson! You don't want to go there.

User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15456 times:

Hmmmm.....I dunno, twelve is a bit young, with another consenting minor, I guess it's legal, but with an adult, NO WAY IN HELL!

UAL747


User currently offlineTristar100 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15435 times:

AvObserver,

How about another two words? Jonathan King! did he buy Gary Glitters computer?

Steve.


User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15426 times:

i dont think that playin nurse+docter and shootin doggy waters has ever been a problem, i'd guess people who do not get into sexuality in a playing way at an age before 10 are the ones that start molesting kids etc later on because they didnt get a good natural feeling for sex.
so to answer your question: sex between 12 year olds? hell yes if more kids did it there would be alot less sexual offenders i am sure.



10=2
User currently onlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15426 times:

LOL. I shouldn't have posted this while a little tipsy. But IT'S NOT ABOUT MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME! It was in a newspaper today. Do you think a 12-year-old girl could understand all the issues about sex? Do you think she would be sufficiently mature?


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineTristar100 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15414 times:

Zak,

If you had a 12yr old daughter would you let her with an 18 yr old?

I'll bring your point up tomorrow night at a meeting, will let you now the reaction.

Steve.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15410 times:

Well, in the show "Beavis and Butthead", they're in 7th grade, so probably about 12 or so. And we all know what they think about it....

User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 15401 times:

An interesting fact is that socially right wing people will immediately dismiss the idea that a 12 year old (girl, anyway) can consent to sex in any way, but will automatically condemn a 12 year old who has killed someone to an adult trial, and declare them wholly responsible, as an adult will be.

User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2474 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15370 times:

Sorry, Stece, I'm unfamiliar with either Mr. King or Mr. Glitters. I used Michael as an example because he WAS an international star before his fall from grace. Though allegations against him remain unproven, it's disturbing enough he's paid out millions in settlements, And the way he talks about kids - CREEPY!

Zak, I don't follow your logic at all. Kids THAT age aren't nature enough to know what they're doing, including using protection. You CAN'T allow kids that young to have actual sex; they don't have a true perception of the potential consequences.

Pe@rson. many 12-year old girls ARE sufficiently mature enough to INITIATE sex with an older guy; a lot of them grow up very quickly these days. That doesn't make it any more okay to ALLOW them to do it, however. Regardless of how much they may well understand, however, they are still below legal age in most Western cultures, anyway, and still fairly emotionally immature. Just because a 12 year old may come onto a guy like Mae West and has supermodel curves, along with DD breasts, as many do, doesn't mean she isn't, for all intents and purposes, still a child.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15334 times:

An interesting fact is that socially right wing people will immediately dismiss the idea that a 12 year old (girl, anyway) can consent to sex in any way, but will automatically condemn a 12 year old who has killed someone to an adult trial, and declare them wholly responsible, as an adult will be.

Just might be 'interesting', where it actually a 'fact'  Insane


User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15312 times:

Go read a good book. Preferably one about flying.


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User currently offlineZak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15310 times:

"If you had a 12yr old daughter would you let her with an 18 yr old?"

yes, in 8 years of time i'd have no problem with it. age difference matters alot in this case, as you have a large difference in development, the younger a person is the bigger the differences are naturally. so while 6 years mean alot in teens, when you are a 20 year old girl i see absolutely no problem with dating a 26 year old guy.

"Zak, I don't follow your logic at all. Kids THAT age aren't nature enough to know what they're doing, including using protection. You CAN'T allow kids that young to have actual sex; they don't have a true perception of the potential consequences."

actually, according to freud, sexuality starts ~12-13 years of age. just because some societies think that sexuality is unacceptable at that age does not make it a fact.

" including using protection."
why do you assume that 12 year olds dont know how to use condoms and such? every 12 year old knows(or should know) about sexuality, preferable explained in an open context by their parents. that usually does include dangers of std's and kids, which should naturally also teach the use of proper protection.
apart from that, what would they need protection for? virgin girls and lads playing the exciting games wont get them any std's cause i dont see 12 year old kids as hiv risk group.
and most pregnancies come from kids playing around without being properly instructed by parents before cause they were prudes and thought that abstinence is best or so.



10=2
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13749 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15303 times:
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actually, according to freud, sexuality starts ~12-13 years of age. just because some societies think that sexuality is unacceptable at that age does not make it a fact.

Sigmund Fraud's...errr, FREUD'S opinion doesn't make it a fact either, though.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 15303 times:

Just might be 'interesting', where it actually a 'fact'

But you can't deny there are quite a few people who would think that way, at least if the scenarios are isolated. If a 12 year old can't consent to sex they can't be wholly responsible for murder, and if a 12 year old can consent to sex they can be wholly responsible for murder, surely?


User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15266 times:

Go read a book. Preferably one about aviation.


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 15226 times:

Question:

Could A 12-year-old Consent To Full Sex?

Answer:

Yes! This is 2004, come on....




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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8366 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15195 times:

Not if the other person is over 18. Legal consensual age seldom goes below 16. 12... now that's just sick. Come to think of it, why the hell are you asking?


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User currently offlineKCMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15191 times:

Thats a little young to have that on your mind. But I see some girls who look like their in high school as far as "maturity". but I ask them and here that they really are just 12.

Its a different world we live in these days



Dustoff
User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 15164 times:

Looks like Pe@rson will be in Cell Block D right alongside SAS220.  Laugh out loud

25 JBirdAV8r : Question: Could A 12-year-old Consent To Full Sex? Answer: Yes! This is 2004, come on.... You're fucking 26-35....sick bastard. Sick, sick bastard. Bu
26 Post contains images Vaporlock : Good God....what next! This question shouldn't even need to be asked! Being a female myself....the answer is definately NO! I don't care how mature yo
27 PROSA : Well, in the show "Beavis and Butthead", they're in 7th grade, so probably about 12 or so. And we all know what they think about it.... I thought they
28 AvObserver : "If you had a 12yr old daughter would you let her with an 18 yr old?" "yes, in 8 years of time i'd have no problem with it. age difference matters alo
29 Post contains images QIguy24 : This is a very interesting question Pe@rson. Are you going after EGFFBmi's ex-girlfriend or what?
30 Post contains images Pelican : This is a very interesting question Pe@rson. Are you going after EGFFBmi's ex-girlfriend or what? pelican
31 Post contains images Pe@rson : Haha, it is an important question and it should be asked, for it is now deemed to be rape under English law if anyone over 16-years-old has sex with a
32 Post contains images QIguy24 : Hehe... Nothing beats the "Only watching and no touching phrase" You can always get away with that one. We have exactly the same rules in Denmark. If
33 Zak : " If you screw someone under 12 and you are over 15 you are F*cked up!" i think these rules are good, anything under 12 is kids game amongst ppl that
34 QIguy24 : Zak, Don't get me wrong. I think these rules are very good as well. A child at that age isn't fully developed yet so she could get some serious injuri
35 AirTran737 : Well I'm sure that many 12 year olds have consented to sex at Michael Jackson's Never Land Ranch.
36 EA CO AS : Could A 12-year-old Consent To Full Sex? Sure, I'd love to consent to that! Signed, 80% of the users of Airliners.net
37 N766UA : Well, in the show "Beavis and Butthead", they're in 7th grade, so probably about 12 or so. And we all know what they think about it.... Junior High ki
38 Zak : interesting how many people here took the topic as a question in regard to themselves having sex with 12 year olds, especially since it is a very gene
39 Ant72LBA : If Concorde Boy had ever read a British tabloid (Sun, Star, Express, Mail so we don't get confused) he'd know that it is a fact that there are members
40 Jfkaua : I am 15 turning on 16 and I think for anyone in hs like me 13 is basically the cutoff
41 Luisca : Sexuality untill about 12 is mainly competitive, girls compete against boys and viceversa, they ussually join groups of all boys and all girls and boy
42 Blackbird1331 : Go read a book. Preferably one about aviation.
43 Iowaman : Well at my age (14) There are many people my age having sex and things of that nature. I think under 12 should be illegal and that 12-16 year olds sho
44 ZKSUJ : I know of many peolpe that are young who have sex, but I do not think it is old enough for a 12 year old to make this decision.
45 L-188 : You know I figure at some point, it is going to be mentioned that Romeo and Juliet where what? 13-14? Standards change over time.
46 Elisabete : Pe@rson, Since you are currently studying criminal law, is "statutory rape" recognized in England? Here, in the USA, it is, which means that there are
47 BFS : I may be wrong about this, but I had to do an essay about sexual and moral repression in Spain until the 1970s, and from my research it seems the the
48 Pe@rson : Hi Liz, I finished my LLB (which is a taught degree) about two years ago. Last year, I began the first year of the MPhil (which is a research degree).
49 Post contains images PH-BFA : I think the question should be asked what happens if the boy is 12 and the girl 16? No to be serious, I think that anyone younger than 16 is not fully
50 CanadianNorth : 14, 15, 16, somewhere in there isn't too bad, if there ages are the same or within 1-3 years and they know what they are getting into. But 12, That re
51 DeltaWings : I cant believe Ive read all the posts
52 Lehpron : When I was in the second grade I was 8 years old and remember a bunch of girls in my class talking about something and when one said the word 'sex' ou
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