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Justice Done In Florida: Act Of Self-Defense  
User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

Or: Dog shoots man! Big grin

Sorry, couldn't resist, found this funny little story on German Spiegel-Online, and since it happened in Florida, which lately made headlines only becaue of hurricanes I thought it's worth to share it:

One Jerry Bradford from Pensacola was owner of 6 mongrel puppies. he tried to find new owners becaise he couldn't keep them, but didn't succeed.

So he decided to shoot all 6 of them. He killed 2, but when he went for the third it tried to escape. He went after the dog and grabbed it with the hand that held the gun. The puppy struggled and touched the trigger, and, you probably guessed it, the gun went off, sending a bullet through the guy's wrist.

When he went to the emergency ward, the story became public.

All 4 surviving dogs are now at an animal shelter waiting for a new master. Since you guys from America are so keen on heroes...go get these dogs, at least one of them is a hero!! Big grin


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

Well I am not going to blame the dog for it. Actually I got quite a kick out of it.

However, since when has it been inhumane to put down an animal by yourself? Since when has only the ASPCA or the local pound the only people that can do it?

In many ways shooting a puppy is a lot more humane then drowning them, quicker and for the poor fellow that has to do it, you don't have to look at their faces when you do it.

This guy should not be facing cruelty charges.



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

L-188: I know that from family experience, too! From that piece on German news, he won't actually face charges, a police speaker said that Bradford didn't have an alternative.

But you have to admit, sometimes an underdog (sic!) gets to win, too! And I like that! Big grin



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/US/SciTech/animal_abuse_040909-1.html

According to this souce he is facing felony animal cruelty charges. He isn't facing any weapons related charges.

Which IMHO opinion are totally uncalled for.

He was trying to humanely put them down.



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

Thx for the link...hey they did a very accurate translation, no add-ons, nothing left out.

Well yes, let's see what happens, but I do like that line "he took matters into his own paws"...yet I suspect that dog nearly pissed himself from shock, when that gun went off right beside his ears.

What could happen to the guy in a worst-case scenario?



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

I don't know the penalties in Florida for animal cruelty, but considering they are felony charges, they must be pretty harsh.


But again I have to question the charges to begin with. Culling unneeded animal is not an unusual thing to do.

Or maybe I just think that way being from an area where some farming takes place.



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

I assume the guy got unlucky twice:

1. He gets shot through the wrist, which probably keeps on hurting for the rest of his life.

2. The news picks it up, meaning that some publicity-hungry DA will go all the way with him to "give an example".



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Were the dogs ill? No

According to this souce he is facing felony animal cruelty charges. He isn't facing any weapons related charges.
Hope he goes to jail for a wee while...



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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

There are ways of putting down animals.

If this means a life hunting ban, then the world is probably safer as a result.

Good for the dog.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

This guy should not be facing cruelty charges.

You've got serious issues L-188. Did you write that after you got done torturing little bunny rabbits for a couple hours?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

Rabbits are good eating.

KROC all I am saying is that this guy was trying to cull the litter in the most human way available to him.

That should be applauded, not condemned.



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

The most humane way possible? By grabbing a gun and splattering bits and pieces of puppys all over the place? Get real. You can take them to animal shelter or vets or places like that and if homes are not found for them, they get a shot...and thats it. Thats allot more humane that getting their dome's ripped off with a bullet. This guy shouldn't be applauded, he should be locked up for ignorance.

And dude, rabbits are good eating? You know you can go to the grocery store right, and they have actual food all ready for you to buy and cook there right? Beef, Chicken, Turkey, Pork etc. Leave Thumper alone.


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Rabbits are great eating but a bit of a lottery taste wise, as is dog !


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

KROC....I never said it wasn't messy.

But it is a hell of alot quicker then drowning them in a burlap sack.

And I grew up in a place where there wheren't animal shelters, unpleasent jobs like this, you had to do yourself.


And BTW: As much as you praise the grocery store, the animals I grew up on, Moose, Caribou, and yes wabbit, wasn't shot up with growth hormones and antibiotics



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1441 times:

Just a pity the dog didnt shoot the guy dead  Sad Now that, would have been justice


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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7960 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

all I am saying is that this guy was trying to cull the litter in the most human way available to him.

If I had to kill dogs, the most "human" way available to me would be to kick the puppies from the roof of the four-story building I'm living in. Or to cut their throats. Would that be ok than?

The man is a moron if he owned six puppies without being able to care for them.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

Well the man didn't own six puppies originally.




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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

Well he shouldnt have had a dog that was as desperate for a bit of loving as 95% of a.net members are  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

The guy should have had the dog fixed so there would be no more dogs. If not, then he shouldn't be owning a dog.

And BTW: As much as you praise the grocery store, the animals I grew up on, Moose, Caribou, and yes wabbit, wasn't shot up with growth hormones and antibiotics

Listen you tree loving hippy, I'll take my growth hormone injected Chicken and Turkey over your "Living in the sticks" diet.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Agreed the mama should have been fixed before this.

But the fact the guy was trying to do right, first by attempting to give them away and then by culling them, with the best tool available, you have to give him credit for that.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Well the good news is that "Trigger" and the surviving siblings are now in pretty high demmand and will find homes without any problems

I still say that the cruelty charges against this guy are out of line and more about grandstanding by the prosecutor.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/US/SciTech/animal_abuse_040910-1.html



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User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1296 times:

"Rova said he doesn't understand why anyone would think they had to shoot a dog just because they could not find a home for it."

That sums up how I feel about it, too. He HAD an animal shelter in close proximity, why didn't he take them there? If I was a neighbor, particularly one with kids, I'd be giving this guy a hard time not only for shooting the pups but for firing a weapon needlesly so close to my property. Honest to God, L-188, I may be a bit extreme on certain issues but your view here is to me, also a bit extreme. These weren't 'game' animals, people aren't supposed to be shooting domestic critters. This to me, is about as bad as someone shooting a child because LGW-Luftfahrtgesellschaft Walter (Germany)">HE couldn't find a home for IT. With people, there's adoption agencies; with animals, there are shelters. If there was no shelter near him, I'd be less upset but there was. It doesn't matter that the might all get put down there, as well, if homes weren't found, the point is that extra effort to find them homes would've been made at a shelter. Shooting all of them at home wasn't his last resort. The other article also says it all...

"Rova said there is no reason for anybody in Escampia County to think about doing away with an unwanted animal, because the shelter will take any animal with no questions and free of charge if a person brings it in.

And the shelter director said the story is a reminder of the importance of spaying and neutering dogs and cats.

"They would never have been in this situation if they had the mother spayed," he said"

Amen to that, another example of stupidity getting someone into hot water. In addition, thanks to the publicity, Bradford won't exactly be 'Mr. Popularity' in his neighborhood. Expect kids to egg his house, flatten his tires and throw trash on his lawn. Someone might even spray paint "MURDERER" on his house or car and for the next few years he'll be carrying the stigma of "puppy killer" with all who know him. All this because it was too much trouble to simply take the pups to a local shelter. What a moron and his wife must also be really thrilled to be in this spotlight. To get the mother dog back from the shelter, they must agree to have it spayed, eve then, I'm not sure it should go back to THAT home!  Yeah sure




User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

L-188.. you indeed are one sick puppy. The cops took the remaining pups to same shelter that 'dumb guy' could have... was he low on gas and unemployed? Most likely the shelter would have come to get them had he bothered to call. Or was the situation so urgent that a phone call..would hav taken just too much time? Apparently not...3 others were buried out back... so a lot of thought (for his level) was put into this. Or he's a pretty tragic excuse for a human.

And I grew up in a place where there wheren't animal shelters, unpleasent jobs like this, you had to do yourself.

Yes well this didn't happen when you were growing up... it happened today and shelters are everywhere. There is no excuse for his behavior...he's lucky he didn't catch the bullet in one of his vitals.. hopefully the wrist was the one he uses the most!

BN747



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User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2289 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

L188, no offense man but I can almost hear the dueling banjoes playing when I read your posts. I agree that animals do need to be put down under unfortunate circumstances but taking them to a shelter at least gives them a small chance at life and companionship with a caring family. My guess is the guy is a gun-toting cracker of the highest order and just thought he'd have some good 'ol homestyle fun. It's the Southern way. Again, no offense pardner.

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