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User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

With the three-year anniversary of 9/11 only hours away, I would like to ask 'Which was worse; the attacks of December 7, 1941 or the attacks of September 11, 2001?

In my opinion, Pearl Harbor was the worse of the two....

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User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1335 times:

Id say Pearl Harbor too, as had it not happened, the US would have regained some of its navy power which would have helped in the defeat of Japan.
Talking of Japan, I wonder why noone cares about the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki anymore..


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1333 times:

Whaddya mean "anymore"?  Laugh out loud

User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1330 times:

Well thousands died in the nuclear attacks carried out by the US, and we dont have any "holidays" or one minute silence for them.
And yet the US is attacked killing 3000 or so, and its "everyone be quiet" and if you have an opinion about WHY it happened, the US brand you a terrorist.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6799 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1323 times:

Only took 3 posts for this thread to go off the rails.

All of the aforementioned events are horrible. Period. There doesn't need to be any comparisons or analysis, and trying to "rank" them if you will is wholly inappropriate.

All are a loss of humanity of the greatest magnitude.


User currently offlinePlanespotterx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1319 times:

Im sorry, im not condoning whats happened in the US, I just find it odd sometimes that they often forget the suffering theyve caused to other people even if it was 50 years ago, it shouldnt be forgotten.
I wish for peace just as the next person, and I hope Bush eventually gets rid of all these fanatical terrorists once and for all, even if it does mean war.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1308 times:
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Why should we have a moment of silence for the victims of our Nukes? They were the enemy, and we were trying to bring the enemy to its knees. I know that you all will spout off about innocent women and children, my response to the are the words collateral damage. If we didn't worry so much about hurting the innocent the war in Iraq would have been over a long time ago, and don't get me started on how we could have dominated the Vietnam War.


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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1304 times:

But AirTran737, Al Qaeda could say that they were just trying to bring the enemy to their knees!

Anyway, I don't think this is an appropriate thread for bashing, 9/11 was appalling and evil and the terrorists and their evil religion need to be annihilated and buried in pork fat.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1299 times:

Well thousands died in the nuclear attacks carried out by the US, and we dont have any "holidays" or one minute silence for them.

...which goes back to the original implication of Reply #2.

Bit of a slow chap, aren't you?  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1296 times:

Why should we have a moment of silence for the victims of our Nukes? They were the enemy, and we were trying to bring the enemy to its knees.


Change "our nukes" to "those planes" and you just justified Al Quaeda and 9/11. Sentiments like that just ensure even more hatred is kept alive. Maybe you should go walk in Times Square and explain all about collateral damage. You might last a couple of minutes if you are lucky before someone shoves an umbrella up your ignorant ass.

Innocent victims of war are exactly that, innocent. Trying to apply double standards is never going to win the moral argument against terror. The innocent who died in Japan and New York all deserve remembrance.


User currently offlineElisabete From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1274 times:

planespotterx....a quick question: does England also have a holiday or holidays for all the killings, pain and suffering that they too have caused to other lands, territories or/and nations during the period of its Empire? For example, do you have a holiday for the killings that England caused to Ireland?

We all have other opinions and views on America and wonderful to debate too. Right now, the rest of the world dislike America, I believe not the American people but our current President and his Administration, which they are entitled .....

What I do not understand is why do other nations forget their own histories? Why, for example, do the English people criticize America, without first addressing their own sins towards others since the beginning of their own history. Additionally why, for example, don't the French people examine the time that they too were an Empire under that famous, little General named Napoleon ....what right did Napoleon have to invade the rest of Europe?

(I will share a personal example ...My ancestors are from a Portuguese region known as "Coimbra." When Napoleon decided to invade Portugal, a famous battle took place near the border of Portugal/Spain, but inside of Portuguese territory. The name of this place was "Almeida." The men of my mother's side of the family were soldiers in that battle, which, by the way, the Portuguese kicked the French's asses lolol ...why is this battle so important to my family? Due to this famous battle, my ancestors on my mother's side of the family adoped the last name of "de Almeida" to show that they too participate in that famous battle against the French and this story has been carried down to the present.)

The bottom line is that yes, right now, America is a superpower but if history teaches us anything, Empires rise and fall, superpowers also rise and fall. Most importantly, however, most of the nations must first look at themselves...look at their own history ...and if they are without sin, then criticize us, our government, our policies....if they are with sin like us, then please think carefully before you write and speak .......

I apologize for changing the topic. In conclusion, both attacks are at equal footing and it is still to early in the game, to fully understand and see the impact of Sept.11th...three years is not enough .....



Get over it ! lol
User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1265 times:

Whaddya mean "anymore"?  

C-boy, you caught me off-guard with that one. Now I need to clean the Pepsi off my display. LMFAO



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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1254 times:

My personal answer to the SPECIFIC question is simple in my own mind: 9-11 was worse.

The Pearl attack was an act of war aimed at a military target, whereas the 9-11 adventure was an act of war specifically designed against a non-military populace. Regards...Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

I have visited Ground-Zero last week, and I was surprised to see this location has become a Hudge Tourist attraction. Off course its still quite a strange feeling standing at the actual site were this horrible situation happened.

Regards,
AMS


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

I believe that 9/11 was worse as it was a civilian attack. Not to mention that so many people around the world saw it happen live.

planespotterx..like what Elisabete said, the British should be having remembrances for events like the Massacre of Amritsar where hundreds of peaceful protesters (mostly women and children) in India were fired upon by a British regiment, and couldn't escape as the protesters were in a compound.



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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1205 times:

Pearl Harbor attack was a part of the WWII. Painful as it was , it was an act of war , rather than a terror attack on civilians. There's a big difference.

Today my thoughts are with New Yorkers and all of the US nation.




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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

The nuclear attacks on the two cities of Japan occured during a time of war, hence the name World War II, big difference on what happend during 9/11.


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User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7146 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

The 9/11 attacks were much more tragic! It was inicent people just at work or as PAX in a plane. And also the crews and PD and FD that is why it is remembered as worse.
Pearl Harbour was horrible, but they were Navy and Air Force members and a war was going on.



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User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

The nuclear attacks on the two cities of Japan occured during a time of war, hence the name World War II, big difference on what happend during 9/11.

Not to mention, had the nuke attacks not taken place, we'd be mourning a lot more lost souls around March and November.



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User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2470 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

PlanespotterX, while the innocents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki deserve to be remembered, as they undoubtedly still are in Japan, it's a bit different from 9/11, a terrorist attack. You can argue that U.S. foreign policies that inflame hatred in the Muslim world were a catalyst for it and I won't argue, there's surely some rationale, there. However, 9/11 was a brutal, unprovolked strike at the U.S.'s pre-eminent financial center and military headquarters. The WTC in particular was singled out due to its large civilian workforce and potential for a high death toll, making it especially symbolic for Muslim extremist hatred. What the U.S. did in the two Japanese, though horrible for the civilians who suffered (and yes, I've read John Hersey's superb book, "Hiroshima", which details the agony of the first city's victims) was simply a part of wartime strategy to force a Japanese surrender, not a deliberate plot to kill civilians en masse. The philosophies behind the nuke attacks and that of 9/11 were vastly different. Obviously, the U.S. didn't start the conflict with the Japanese while Al Queda most definitely initiated this new War On Terror with their strikes on us. The U.S. alternative to the nukes would have been a full-scale invasion of Japan, which would have cost vastly more Japanese civilian lives, as well as that of many our troops. It can't be forgotten that the U.S. spent huge sums to rebuild Japan after the war; would Al Queda be so generous were they to win this new war? The difference between conventional wartime conduct and terrorist conduct is that they prefer to hit, rather than avoid, civilians. In the old wars, civilian casualties were collateral damage, in this new one, for the Muslim terrorists, anyway, civilians are the primary target. Look at what just happened in Russia! I mourn the Japanese who died and suffered in that old war, it was a most terrible thing, which was nevertheless, simply part of war. The difference in the new war is that the terrorists didn't start it because of any specific thing we'd done to them, as was the case in most of the old wars, but simply because our lifestyle, philosophies and government are hugely different from theirs and that we help others who differ from them as well, like Israel. They simply refuse to compromise, just denounce our way of living and try to kill us. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was not nearly so heinous as what Al Queda and friends are trying to do to us; it was out of frustration over our economic blockade and mainly a military target. It seems the old rules of war no longer apply. I'm not supportive of the U.S.-led War in Iraq, which I think has diverted resources away from stopping more Al Queda attacks, however a lot of good will still come out of that, even if the reasons for going in weren't fully justified. I grieve for the many Iraqi civilian casualties but the population as a whole is better off without the tyranny of Hussein, though I acknowledge that alone doesn't justify the war. I believe Iraq being tied in with 9/11 is misleading, given no verifiable connections between Saddam and Al Queda, however, he is of like sentiment with them about the U.S. so the potential for them to collaborate was there. The 9/11 attacks didn't kill nearly as many as the U.S. did in Japan or even in Iraq, recently but in terms of what they represented, they are among the most evil acts ever committed, being rivaled only by the recent Madrid train bombing and the assault on the Russian school.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

Definitly 9/11.... Pearl Harbor was just a military power play like hundreds before it. September 11th will define the next decades as the single event that marked the shift into a new political era.

What's so unfortunate is the entire world really dropped the ball on a perfect oppurtunity to define a new world order. We'd all been kinda running around doing our own thing after the fall of the USSR, 9/11 could have been the event that really pulled a cohesive global community together. Very few people outside of sheer extremist cheered when the U.S. was hit, whereas in 1914, if the nation enjoying "place in the sun" was harmed, people danced in the street. Humanity has come so damn far in just 100 years, and 9/11 could have been another step forward.

I fault so many parties with this failure to aquiesce that it is mindboggeling... but in the end, it really was every single person in the western world. I think Bush took the wrong stance on 9/11, and with an 85+% approval rating, he took that message and ran like hell-

What Bush Said-
Let's go get'em

What we replied-
Yayyy!!

What Bush should have said
Look bitches, its the year 2000 frickin 1, we can't let these systems to stand-
A. Terror
B. Poverty
C. Social Injustice
D. Radical/unrepresentative forms of governement

What we should have replied-
Wow that's deep, I thought you were stupid or somethin

It isn't as simple as blaming Bush, as he acted as just about every single man in his position would have. It takes great men that come only once in a century to not take the easier course of action...


User currently offlineGREATANSETT From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 508 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

9/11 was unavoidable but it was a good wake up check to the USA.


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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1122 times:
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Pearl Harbor attack was a part of the WWII

No it wasn't. War had not been declared on the US, they were neutral at the time of PH. It was that attack that brought America into the war


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

I must say 9/11 as well. No one knew this was coming. At least of what I know. This came as a great chock for everybody except the people knowing about it.

But like others have written so far we must not only remember this one because it happened in the US. There are so many terrorist attacks around the world and slaughtering of innocent people. But we donøt remember them. Just look at Rwanda. Hell.... NO one even mentions that anymore. If that happened in the US or in the western world everybody remember it.


User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1113 times:
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No-one knew PH was coming

25 QR332 : People only remember what they want to remember and care about what they want QI - 9/11 was horiffic, but it caused America to wake up and realise tha
26 777236ER : They were the enemy, and we were trying to bring the enemy to its knees I can imagine Osama Bin Laden saying exactly the same thing on September 12th
27 FJWH : How many people got killed in Pearl Harbor? Tjap
28 L410Turbolet : ....they are not the ideal nation in everybody's eyes. so they deserve to be told by means of airliner hijackings and slamming them into skyscrapers,
29 QR332 : so they deserve to be told by means of airliner hijackings and slamming them into skyscrapers, killing thousands? I'd think you're joking but since I'
30 L410Turbolet : QR, I'm apologize about the second part of my previous post, it was cedarwings who wrote it. I edited my mistake. Neverthelss, what does public awaren
31 Jasepl : Not having been directly affected in any way by either, I really can't comment on which one was worse. What I do honestly feel, however, is that 11 Se
32 QR332 : L410, don't you ever tell me I am justifying something as horrible as this, I am saying that when this horrible attack happened, America woke up, that
33 DfwRevolution : How many people got killed in Pearl Harbor? 2,403 Navy personnel were killed in the attack, mostly seamen onboard moored ships.. What I do honestly fe
34 Slider : 9/11 isn't "glorified" as much as it's used as a benchmark for many Americans in many ways. This day is THE critical post Cold War point in American h
35 STT757 : "Well thousands died in the nuclear attacks carried out by the US, and we dont have any "holidays" or one minute silence for them. " We don't have hol
36 ConcordeBoy : these 14 Palestinians ...who are these "14 Palestinians" of whom you speak????
37 LY7E7 : ...who are these "14 Palestinians" of whom you speak???? 14 members of Hamas killed last week in the IDF attack on a terrorist training camp in the Ga
38 QR332 : Oh, now I get it. Please, L410, check before saying it was me who said this next time, in case you haven't noticed I haven't been on since the 2nd.
39 Jasepl : The other bombings will defintly be remebered in their regions, but none will match 9/11 as a truely global event. I'm sorry Dfw. It was a lot of thin
40 Mdsh00 : Jasepl, I believe he means it is a global event because so many foreign nationals died on that day as well.
41 Post contains images DfwRevolution : I believe he means it is a global event because so many foreign nationals died on that day as well. No I meant what I said But how would you consider
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