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Which Country Is It Easiest To Become Citizen Of?  
User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well the topic says it all, what do you think/know ?

Usually in most places you have to be a legal resident for a few years (5-10) and then you will be granted a citizenship, as far as I know in New Zealand it is only 2 years, in some countries it is enough that your ancestors were from the place, you do not even have to visit the country (Germany and Ireland used to have those laws). In the US and Israel you can become a citizen quite easily if you join the army (12-18 months, have to be a resident though). I also heard that Venezuela is supposed to be an easy place. There are also some more extreme places, in Andorra for instance you have to be a resident for at least 18 years if you got there before you turned 18, ant 26-32 years if after you turned 18... Wonder how it is in North Korea or Libya  Wink/being sarcastic So, do you have any interesting information ?

[Edited 2004-09-17 13:16:47]

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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New Zealand is knowen as a friendly country and it is easy to become a citizen.

User currently offlineUssherd From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

A person with one Irish-born grandparent may claim Irish citizenship. Compare that to the UK, where citizenship isn't even granted to people born outside the UK to a British mother and a non-British father.

A foreigner must reside in Venezuela for 10 years (reduced to 5 years for nationals of Spain, Portugal, Italy and any Latin American or Caribbean state) before they can become a citizen. According to hearsay it's quite easy to buy Venezuelan citizenship. ¡Viva la corrupción!



Cada loco con su tema...
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I am not sure though I do not believe that if you are not a citizen of the USA you can even join the army?


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I know the hardest country to gain citizenship in Thailand. 100 Citizenships are granted each year and to qualify you have to have been resident in Thailand for 10 years, speak fluent Thai, have been recommended by a senior Thai member of the community and then pay a USD $16000 fee.

The USA is pretty easy - there is even a citizenship lottery



I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well thanks for the info Ussherd ! Wonder how much it would cost, I saw a documentary on BBC a few months ago about a terror cell in France, they bough "real" (government issued, but not earned so to say) passports for 6000 Euros.

Luv2fly, You are aloud to enlist as long as you have a green card. But you can not became an officer, or the commander of a ship/aircraft before you become a citizen.


User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I am not sure though I do not believe that if you are not a citizen of the USA you can even join the army?

There were stories about US Army soldiers, who were wounded during major combat operations in Iraq, who received citizenship earlier than they normally would.
I used to do some work for the US Army during their field exercises here in the Czech Rep. and I remember talking to guys with Green Cards only from Haiti, Honduras, Poland, Israel... almost like a French Foreign Legion  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I should also point out that people of afro-caribbean descent will not usually be considered for Thai nationality, racist I know but that's life eh.


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

If you want to become a Canadian citizen, I suggest you come here late 2005, early 2006 - specifically in the province of Quebec. Ask for your Canadian citizenship right away. Obviously, your request will end up at the bottom of the list, from which it will slowly bubble up at the best speed bureaucracy can provide.

But here's the trick.

There will be election here in Quebec in 2007-2008, that will put the Quebec's nationalist party (PQ) back in power. And as that party is likely to call another referendum, then your request for Canadian citizenship will get approved right away. That's right, during referendum campaigns here in Quebec, all the Canadian citizenship requests are simply rubber-stamped, in less time than you can say "Oh! Canada...".

It happened just like that twice before, in 1980 and in 1995. It doesn't get any simpler than that.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The US of course, just cross the river.
Signed,
Illegal Mexican Immigrants



Go big or go home
User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

In order to become a Monegasque citizen, a member of one's direct family (typically one's father or husband - it is mainly male oriented) must be Monegasque. The only other way is to be granted citizenship by the sovereign, Prince Rainier III.

QFF


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I know the hardest country to gain citizenship in Thailand. 100 Citizenships are granted each year and to qualify you have to have been resident in Thailand for 10 years, speak fluent Thai, have been recommended by a senior Thai member of the community and then pay a USD $16000 fee.

I should also point out that people of afro-caribbean descent will not usually be considered for Thai nationality, racist I know but that's life eh.


Can you imagine if a Western nation adopted such a barbaric stance? This is nothing less than sheer racism. And yet, the world accepts it. Thailand should be boycotted by the world at large until it ends such racist policy.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 723 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Yyz717 ...

Be a Muslim and try to get Israeli citizenship.

Now read your last paragraph.

D.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Be a Muslim and try to get Israeli citizenship.

Even worse, try being a Jew and even travel to Saudi Arabia, let alone seek citizenship. SA will not even let you enter the country.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13967 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Concerning Israel, I´ve got a Southafrican colleague, who has been working in Israel for a long time (IAI, IMI). His two daughters both served in the Israeli military, but when they applied for a citizenship, or even for a permanent residency (their father lost his job after the second intifada), they got told politely to f*ck off because they were not Jewish. Understandably they are quite p*ssed off.

Jan


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Yyz717 - I agree, although to be fair the afro-caribbean population hasn't really covered itself in glory in Thailand - 95% of foreigner crimes are by afro-caribbeans (mostly Nigerians in the drug trade). So if you are Afro Caribbean and want Thai nationality you had better be squeaky clean with a good sponsor and a wedge load of $$$$. Anyway your average Afro-Caribbean hasn't got $16,000 to spend on citizenship to a country where the wages are probably only slightly higher than at home. Not when you can get Us or EU nationality a heck of a lot easier


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

In Saudi Arabia it is stated that you will never become a Saudi citizen regardless of where you come from or from whatever religion. However, there is a rule that says if you somehow manage to stay in the country past the expiry date of your Hajj visa after 5 or 10 years you can seek citizenship. That's if you don't get caught and don't get your head chopped off in the meantime.

Good luck everyone!! Failing that come to England. Everyone gets in and everyone can stay for as long as they like. You don't even have to speak English for the rest of your life. We're great!





User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Even worse, try being a Jew and even travel to Saudi Arabia, let alone seek citizenship. SA will not even let you enter the country.

Or worse yet- try getting INTO some of those nations if you have an Israeli passport stamp. Yikes.


User currently offlineDamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 723 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Even worse, try being a Jew and even travel to Saudi Arabia, let alone seek citizenship. SA will not even let you enter the country.

Agreed. But we can hardly call Saudi Arabia a western society ... whereas Israel is one.

D.


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2570 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Here in Venezuela its extremely easy to become a citizen if you go to a pro-goverment meeting and say that you support the revolution and that you will vote for Chavez. After you do that you will inmediately receive your ID card or Cedula indicating that you are a Venezuelan citizen. With your ID you can easily get your own Venezuelan passport. Thats the cheap way... but you can also buy your citizenship if you know people that work inside the inmigration agency.

Wonders of a populist and corrupt goverment.


User currently offlineLeviticus From New Zealand, joined Oct 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I hear a lot of interesting thing, I am especially tempted to move to Canada if that Quebec thing would really work, also the Venezuelan method is rather interesting, anybody know how much it probably would cost ?  Wink/being sarcastic

One thing that I have been wondering for a while is the laws of EU countries, I am quite an EU buff myself with citizenship from two EU countries but I still do not know if the EU (or Schengen) will ever have a common naturalization policy, anybody ? Will it ever happen that the requirements for an EU citizenship will be the same in every country ? How is it now ?

Another thing that I can not seem to find out is, how do you become a citizen of an EU country if you already are a citizen of another EU country, do you only have to live there for a certain time ? Since work and stay visas are not needed, it's difficult to determine how long you have been there.


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

US Military Service and Citizenship:
You must have a green card to enlist in the military, but your time in the military counts twice as much as the time required by citizenship.

You must be a citizen to become a commissioned officer.

I am not sure if you are able to qualify for a security clearance with a green card.

Becoming a Citizen in general:
Getting you citizenship is fairly easy if you have a green card and the required time in country, which is the hard part. The hardest part for my mother was getting her paperwork through the INS, they lost her paperwork, including quite a sum of money paid for her birth certificate from Tehran, and getting it translated. But one call to the local Senator fixed it right up.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineARGinMIA From Argentina, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Argentina: 2 years living.. or Just deposit 30k U$D in an argentinian account and you'll get your citizenship in 2 years.. also you can pay some immigration officer arround 1000 U$D and get it in 24hs !


Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quote by ARGinMIA #22:

"...also you can pay some immigration officer arround 1000 U$D and get it in 24hs !..."



Reminds me of a story a Bolivian construction guy told me. A couple of acquaintances of his paid $1000 to smugglers back in 98 to get by bus from Yacuiba across the border and all the way to Cordoba. They were almost caught twice, first at the border and then near Jujuy by Road Control. Then they were duped by the smugglers and dumped outside the suburbs of Jujuy (the promise a ride to Cordoba).

What the smugglers forgot was to take back the argentine passports they had given the two guys in Bolivia. The smugglers apparenty tried to use those passports with as many people as possible, but they usually asked for them to be returned in the 'safe houses', when there's no chance of getting stopped by police. They never ask before the safe house and apparently the smugglers forgot this in their haste to get back to the border.

So, they dumped the two guys 1000km short of Cordoba, but the two Bolivians were now fully Argentine Citizens... Big grin




My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3312 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

In principle, one need only to show "some evidence" that one of his/her grand parents was of Greek descent, and it is smooth and quick. (1/4th)
In view of the Olympic Games, they extended it one level up, one has to show some Greek descent for one great grand parent. (1/8th)

We did end up with a Gold medalist who does not know a word of Greek. (real)
We also had a softball team speaking only US English.(but no medal)

Before every major sport competition the rule comes into force,
(weightlifting, handball, volleyball, basketball, etc...) and also just prior to elections where the left is in dire needs of votes.

Rumours has it that if you are very good in a sport, there will be somebody at the Minsitry ready to testify that you are from Greek descent.


25 Airlinelover : The easiest is the one you are born in. Chris
26 Kalakaua : Well, my Korean friend was born in Japan, but isn't a natural citizen of Japan. He's considered a Korean Citizen, even if his parents were born in Jap
27 Alessandro : Estonia is a different place, if having ancestor that was Estonian citizens during the 1940ies you get one (like I did). Easiest? Heard someone that t
28 Jasepl : Alessandro, why would anyone want to take Bangladeshi citizenship? Unless they were, I don't know, Rwandan before.
29 QIguy24 : Jasepl, Isn't there a bigger chance to get asylum if you are citizen of Bangladesh? That would be my guess.
30 Russophile : The Seychelles will grant citizenship to anyone who is willing to invest US$25,000 in the country. And for $10 million, they will grant you immunity f
31 Alessandro : Jasepl, I heard someone did for thrills, surely some without citizenship (Palestinian?) could do that...
32 Jasepl : Alessandro, that's what I was thinking would have to be the case. Not to bash Bangladesh, but they've got to be towards the bottom of the citizinship
33 Rojo : One thing that I have been wondering for a while is the laws of EU countries, I am quite an EU buff myself with citizenship from two EU countries but
34 LY7E7 : Latin American countries, Portugal, Philippines, Equatorial Guinea and Sefardi I assume that you are not speaking Hebrew, so what country "Sefardi" w
35 Rjpieces : Be a Muslim and try to get Israeli citizenship. Now read your last paragraph. Genius, about 20% of Israel's population is Muslim.
36 PROSA : Is it still the case that Israel automatically grants citizenship to any Jew who requests it?
37 CoTXDFW777AA : Isn't true that many people in Ethiopia can have Israeli citizenship if they request it and can be transported by the government to Israel?
38 Leviticus : CoTXDFW777AA, that is indeed correct, it is also the reason why the Israeli army has the current world record in how many people can be transported in
39 Rjpieces : Is it still the case that Israel automatically grants citizenship to any Jew who requests it? Yes. Any Jew can move to Israel. Isn't true that many pe
40 Leviticus : Rjpieces, do you know how the actual process works for verifying ones Jewish background ?
41 Post contains links Rjpieces : Rjpieces, do you know how the actual process works for verifying ones Jewish background ? That is a good question. I'm not exactly sure. But anybody i
42 Jasepl : Is it still the case that Israel automatically grants citizenship to any Jew who requests it? Yes. Any Jew can move to Israel. I think what he meant t
43 Post contains links Rjpieces : I think what he meant to ask was whether you automatically got a passport, or if you simply got permission to live there and a passport would follow l
44 Jasepl : Yes, you automatically get citizenship and a passport. Thanks. That I did not know. But do they have to take up Israeli citizenship, or is there a cho
45 TheCoz : Wow, New Zealand would be cool! In my situation, since my mother was originally a Canadian citizen, I beleive I am able to become a dual citizen rathe
46 Sabena332 : Be a good soccer player and apply for a German passport, you will get it within a few days (*cough* Sean Dundee *cough*). Patrick
47 Rojo : Latin American countries, Portugal, Philippines, Equatorial Guinea and Sefardi I assume that you are not speaking Hebrew, so what country "Sefardi" wo
48 Post contains images Panam330 : Qb001, "And as that party is likely to call another referendum, then your request for Canadian citizenship will get approved right away. That's right,
49 Damirc : RJ: Be a Muslim and try to get Israeli citizenship. Now read your last paragraph. Genius, about 20% of Israel's population is Muslim. Yes. But how man
50 Rjpieces : Yes. But how many of these Muslims are Muslims that the Israeli state didn't manage to get to flee and how many of these Muslims were granted citizens
51 Damirc : I give up. D. F.i.l.l.e.r.
52 Speedbird092 : Canada's pretty easy as long as u dont have any credentials... ie. education, or any trade skills
53 LY7E7 : BTW, (correct me if I wrong) Germany has a repatriation law very similar to the Israeli one. Isn't that how Russian Germans emigrate back to their his
54 AMS : Well, my Korean friend was born in Japan, but isn't a natural citizen of Japan. He's considered a Korean Citizen, even if his parents were born in Jap
55 Leviticus : First of all, thank you for all the very informative posts ! Qb001 said: If you want to become a Canadian citizen, I suggest you come here late 2005,
56 Digitalone : I am surprised that no one mentioned Australia. There are a few avenues in which you can apply for Australian citizenship. To start my explanation, Au
57 Ryanb741 : Digitalone - Australia is pretty difficult to become a citizen of these days unless as you said you go to an Aussie University. But outside of South E
58 Leviticus : Digitalone, I believe Canada has a similar system, I checked it up some while ago. If you reach a certain amounts of points on a list you are qualifie
59 LY7E7 : I am surprised that no one mentioned Australia True. IMO this is the easiest one.
60 CXA330300 : Types of South African citizenship: Birth: Born in South Africa and birth registered. Descent: One or both parents South African citizens at time of b
61 CXA330300 : Wow, New Zealand would be cool! In my situation, since my mother was originally a Canadian citizen, I beleive I am able to become a dual citizen rathe
62 Jasepl : I am surprised that no one mentioned Australia. There are a few avenues in which you can apply for Australian citizenship. To start my explanation, Au
63 757MDE : I'm like CXA330300 but with different countries. I'm a Colombian, living in Colombia and born in Colombia (Medellín), but I got British passport also
64 N228ua : I've heard that in Taiwan, you can never be a citizen if you don't look like a Taiwanese person. Australian immigration is a joke. I am an Australian
65 Post contains links Leviticus : I actually found the exact criterias for an Australian citizenship if anybody is interested, quite fascinating. http://www.citizenship.gov.au/how.htm
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