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User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Normal, the American health care system is mediocre, the second worst of all OECD countries (slightly better than in Turkey). Not that it can't be good; it could be the best. But it needs major reform. Big time.

A poll of 1,202 Americans, conducted earlier this month, showed that:

- Two-thirds (67%) want a government health insurance program. Even when prompted with the phrase "Canadian-style health care" (which most Americans wrongfully equate with socialized medicine), 61% still said yes.

- More than a third of those using prescription drugs either buy them in Canada (6%) or plan to (33%).

- 18% said they were skipping medications or reducing dosages to save money.

- More than half (56%) of those with health insurance said they were either paying more or getting less coverage. 13% said their premiums had gone up while their benefits had gone down.

- An overwhelming majority (78%) agreed with the statement: "The U.S. should treat health care like other necessities of life, such as water and electricity that are regulated by government to ensure fair prices, accountability, access for everyone and quality services."

The entire poll, plus its methodology and margin of error, can be found at http://www.resultsforamerica.org/calendar/files/RFA%20CSI%20Healthcare%20FINAL.pdf

And if you agree with the preceding findings, don't vote for Bush, whose health care plan is essentially "Pray you won't get sick".


Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

By the same argument, 51% of Cdns want a mixed private/public health care system. The Cdn system is hardly something the Americans should emulate.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

Great! With there already being enough bureatratic mess in health care today, lets just create more with this system. Oh Happy Day!  Insane

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Matthew



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Any American who wants nationalized health care has never had to seek treatment in a VA or BIA hospital. When the Veterns Administration and the Bureau of Indian Affairs gets their national health care programs up to the point where they are actually a model for a national system, then I might consider nationalizing or socialing health care.

We currently would do more harm going national based on the current government run health care systems.

Now on the question of reform and reducing costs, I do have some thoughts.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

"A poll of 1,202 Americans.."

What percent of those 1,202 Americans had no health care? Probably all of them. Why else would they want some gov't pencil pusher telling them what medical treatment they can or cannot have?

Sounds like a very credible and highly reliable poll.  Insane


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Jeff, do you know that all of them had no health care? Do you even know that half of them do? Of course not. So how the hell can you discredit it for those reasons?


7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Americans are going to say that they want a government insurance program because they expect it to basically be like any other insurance CURRENTLY available to those who are offered it through their company. If they had a chance to see how bad the health care is in Canada they would change their minds fast. In America we expect the best and most up to date of care and if we get anything less we will sue you! We will not stay in a hospital if we have to share a room, we will not stay in a hospital if we do not get room service, and we will not stay in a hospital if it does not resemble a hotel. Americans also expect speedy service in the ER, if surgical is needed we want our own personal nurse to accompany us and we expect to get the newest best drugs on the market. Our current health system as bad as it is, is far better than any government run system. Even if you are a person that cant afford to pay the bills you get better care than you would if you had the gov health care. We are very spoiled in the US and don't know it. The government would have already gave us health care if they could do it in the same way that Canada is set up but the fact is they cant. We want better....!


/// UNITED AIRLINES
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

The US has a life expectancy that ranks 48th in the world (first major countries are Japan, Australia and Switzerland). All those other socialized healthcare countries must be doing something right.


7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

The US has a life expectancy that ranks 48th in the world (first major countries are Japan, Australia and Switzerland). All those other socialized healthcare countries must be doing something right.

You can't put all that onto medicine. Various things affect life expectancy numbers, including wars, crime, traffic accident rates, urbanization, air pollution, etc.

Charles


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Ok, let me tell you what america needs to do.

1. Stop using insurance for every damm medical bill. There are reasons why homeowners and car insurance have deductables. Get the highest one you can afford. That will reduce your bill.

Using health insurance for day to day checkups and the like is like using your auto insurance for getting the tires rotated or the oil changed on your car. It just adds to the price.

2. Pay your doctor cash for routine checkups. Cash only practices are actually gaining popularity, One of the biggest drivers behind health insurance costs is the accounting to get repayment from and insurance plan. Ever wonder why medical billing was such a big field...insurace companies. There was an article in the paper a few months back, sorry can't quote it, and one doctor who when to a cash only practice mentioned that prior to doing that his clinic had over 2000 different insurance plans that it had to bill for his customers.

Cash only clinics will seriously reduce the accounting costs associated with clinics.

3. Don't pay a guy for an 8 year education if you don't need too. Go to a P/A or a CNA instead to get those four stiches you need from when you nicely slide that 3/4 inch chisel into your hand. A hell of a lot of minor medical procedures don't need 8 years of Havard Med to fix. That stitches example, The US Army can train a 91W in 16 weeks? and probably do a better job of it too.

[Edited 2004-09-19 08:50:59]


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1801 times:

L-188,
You have some points there if I was a person without insurance. But if I can go see the Doctor for $10 why the hell not? Again with the whole we are spoiled thing, I want that Doctor to see if im in there for something as little as a overgrown finger nail, I don't want some damn CNA or even a RN for that matter. I want the Doctor that went to school for 8 years and hopefully even more. I want the best and if that is what I can get im sure the hell not going to settle for anything less. Again you do have a point though and I am a perfect example of the person that will use it all!

*Note I have never been to the Doctor regarding my nails!



/// UNITED AIRLINES
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1799 times:

Hey UAL747DEN

I did a little searching, please watch this NBC video about cash only practices and tell me what you think.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5014568/

Edit: I don't agree with the numbers that Havard doc came up with on the "Limited number of people helped" and his point about it being only for the very healthy/rich is BS. Note that I said you still need catasrophic insurance with the highest deductable you can afford.

[Edited 2004-09-19 09:08:44]


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29690 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1793 times:

Couple more links for you.

http://o.seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001895734_cashdoctors05.html

http://sushi.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/333/341/379125.html?d=dmtICNNews




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

What percent of those 1,202 Americans had no health care? Probably all of them

What percent of those 1,202 Americans had a place to live? Or had a phone to answer the poll?

The US has the most inefficient medical system in the world in my opinion. In comparison to Canada's healthcare system, (which I concede is not perfect) the US government diverts more tax-money per-captita on its healthcare system than Canada, and not only does it not offer universal care, the end product is that Americans don't live as long as Canadians and they have a high infant mortality rate.

http://www.who.int/countries/can/en/
http://www.who.int/countries/usa/en/

You guys just aren't getting your money's worth. One of the biggest deterents is the fear that someone will get something for nothing. In my opinion, Americans lack charitable and diplomatic skills in comparison to other modern countries.

You guys don't seem to realize that a healthy person is one that can work, spend money and pay taxes.

Furthermore, the insurance companies have Americans in a death grip. The doctors exploit the fact every chance they get.

When someone walks into a clinic in the US and they happen to have health insurance, you can bet that person will be exposed to every high-tech diagnostic process and treatment that the doctor can reasonably throw at him/her. Every headache gets an MRI.

I am proud to say that we aren't quite so concerned about who ultimately gets help and what the circumstances are when it comes to medical care.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/News/2004/08/20/593127.html

Have a healthy day. If you can afford it....


User currently offlineN6376M From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Why are you Canadians so concerned about our health care system. It's not like there are scores of uninsured US citizens streaming into Canada to get on the government dole and receive free healthcare?

User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1737 times:

2. Pay your doctor cash for routine checkups.

I am starting to think that this may be the best way. There are days where I wonder why I can get a medical from an AME for $40, yet the same exact procedure would cost my insurance around $100 at my family doctor.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16931 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

In a related poll, it was also discovered most Americans wanted higher pay and lower taxes.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineN6376M From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

I run a mid-size company. Our heath insurance premiums have literally doubled in 4 years on a per person basis.

I am absolutely convinced that with 5 years, traditional health insurance plans will be replaced by medical savings accounts. These accounts are coupled with high deductible insurance plans. The employee deposits money into the account on a yearly basis. The first several thousand dollars of expense each year must be paid by the employee out of these account balances, however, if the money is not fully used in a year, the balance rolls over.

Using the law of averages, in any given year a reasonably health person will not incur $3,000 of medical expenses so the account builds in value. However every so many year each of us can expect to have a big health care cost. The idea is that over time, your account balance is big enough that you can pay for these expense yourself and then you high deductible insurance plan takes over.

Premium savings are about 50% versus tradition saving plans. At my company we're looking at transitioning on Jan 1. We'll fund $3,000 into each employee's account year 1 (thereby almost ensuring that nobody will be worse off) and keep our health care spending flat. Year 2 and beyond, we'll cut our contribution some what and expect to realize real savings while maintaining access to affordable health care for all our full time employees.

The best part about these plans is that at retirement, the entire balance is tax-free. It's essentially a ROTH IRA that you fund with pre-tax income.

The idea behind the plan is that if employees are responsible for the first couple thousand dollars of cost themselves, they'll think twice about requesting certain drugs and referrals to specialist.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

I think that people also need to remember that nationalizing health care in a country of 300 million people (and growing) is an enormous feat. Our healthcare is not inefficient and bad. There is a reason that people fly halfway around the world for medical treatment in the US.

My feeling is that there needs to be change in the health-care system here, but I don't think that adopting Canada's system is right either. Somewhere in the middle might work out better, such as nationalizing minor treatments. The way it is right now, I think that many doctors feel that even the government could do better than the conniving HMOs.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

A bit OT, but something I've always wondered.

Supposedly, Americans are the #1 per capita consumers of (legal) pharmaceuticals. Got me wondering just how unhealthy Americans are! Do they really need to ingest so many drugs, or is there some sort of passive hypochondriac-type tendency that they get from the air or water over there?

I mean, as Mir pointed out, Americans rank 48 on life expectancy - which means that the populations of the first 47 combined do not need nearly as many chemicals to keep them alive longer.

Strange, no?


User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Supposedly, Americans are the #1 per capita consumers of (legal) pharmaceuticals. Got me wondering just how unhealthy Americans are! Do they really need to ingest so many drugs, or is there some sort of passive hypochondriac-type tendency that they get from the air or water over there?

I don't know if it's because I am mostly around pilots, but everyone I know stays away from legal drugs. In particular pain killers.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineGalaxy5 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2034 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Well if we get anything like tricare, a lot of people are truely going to be upset and disappointed.


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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Supposedly, Americans are the #1 per capita consumers of (legal) pharmaceuticals. Got me wondering just how unhealthy Americans are! Do they really need to ingest so many drugs, or is there some sort of passive hypochondriac-type tendency that they get from the air or water over there?

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the US also has the highest population of people with access to health care. Yes I know that apparently 44 million do not...but thats 256 that do have access. The other very populous countries in the world (China, India, Indonesia) do not have the same acess to prescription drugs like we do. Not to mention more meticulous record-keeping. Some of these could be allergy medications, which I take many times.


I mean, as Mir pointed out, Americans rank 48 on life expectancy - which means that the populations of the first 47 combined do not need nearly as many chemicals to keep them alive longer.

Average life expectancy has many other factors than just health care. Depending on where you live in the country and other socieoeconomics, living habits like smoking or drinking, can affect life expectancy.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe that the US also has the highest population of people with access to health care. Yes I know that apparently 44 million do not...but thats 256 that do have access. The other very populous countries in the world (China, India, Indonesia) do not have the same acess to prescription drugs like we do. Not to mention more meticulous record-keeping. Some of these could be allergy medications, which I take many times.

I'm not talking about African or Asian countries - just the first 47 where people live longer than Americans without needing to take nearly as many pharmaceuticals. It's not about access to the drugs but about usage. Why is it that the Americans need to take so many drugs in the first place, and still don't live as long as, for example, the Dutch?

I haven't seen the life expectancy list, but I should be safe in assuming most of the 47 are European countries or Japan, Australia, Canada and New Zealand. I think people in many of these countries smoke (don't know about drink) more than Americans


User currently offlineScottieprecord From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1363 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

I'll bet $100 that Americans eat a crap load more fat per capita than any of those 47 countries.

25 Air2gxs : I'm surprised no mentioned lawsuits. One of the drivers of the high cost of healthcare in the US must be lawsuits. The insurance (malpractice) compani
26 Post contains images Duce50boom : Galaxy5, You talk about tricare as if it's a bad thing. I've never heard anything bad about it.....
27 Mdsh00 : I'm not talking about African or Asian countries - just the first 47 where people live longer than Americans without needing to take nearly as many ph
28 Rabenschlag : interesting! i live in a country with a socialised health care system, and i am constantly wondering whether we could do better or worse. in germany,
29 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Sounds like a very credible and highly reliable poll. 2nd
30 TheCoz : Healthcare reform would be just that, a complete restructuring of the healthcare system. Knowing the way things are right now, politically, I wouldn't
31 Airplay : Why are you Canadians so concerned about our health care system. It's not like there are scores of uninsured US citizens streaming into Canada to get
32 UAL747DEN : Jasepl, The reason that Americans take more meds than anyone else is because we have them! For example in your country you do not have access to even
33 Mdsh00 : If you want to continue to pay twice as much as we do and get worse service, that's your perogative. I'm actually very satisfied and happy with the se
34 Qb001 : It's fascinating to see how 25 years or so of well-oiled conservative propaganda has succeeded in convincing so many Americans that they should be hap
35 L-188 : Yeah what is wrong is that Canada has price controls. The US tried that on food in the 1970's Remember the videos of farmers drowning baby chicks beca
36 Qb001 : All you end up with with price controls are shortages and empty shelves. I don't know why you say that: our shelves are not empty. Oh but yeah, I forg
37 L-188 : Not yet, just wait. I firmly believe one of two things will happen if the US allows importation of drugs from Canada. Either 1. Canada will be force t
38 Airplay : I'm actually very satisfied and happy with the service that I am getting from my doctor, thank you very much. Excellent example of an American who's c
39 Mdsh00 : Excellent example of an American who's concern doesn't extend beyond himself. Let me ask you this Mdsh00, do you care about Americans who can't affor
40 Air2gxs : Every American has access to health care. Every American does not have access to the same standard of healthcare, nor should they. Health care is part
41 Qb001 : I work hard for that package. I'm sure, but what if you loose your job, say in an accident that keeps you out of work for months, years, maybe forever
42 Slider : 1) America has the best health CARE in the world, bar none. It is a COST crisis, just as a point of distinction. 2) America is also one of the sickest
43 Garnetpalmetto : The crisis is a litigation happy population that feels it is entitled to something which it is not. And what's that? The unreasonable expectation that
44 Slider : In every state that's enacted "tort reform," malpractice insurance premiums have continued to skyrocket. Tort reform is not some silver bullet that wi
45 Dvk : AIRPLAY, Why don't you try to really learn something before you shoot off your mouth? I'm a physician, and I can promise you absolutely that NOT every
46 USAirways737 : Universal Health Care sounds like a great idea. We spend too much on healthcare than any other industrialized nation. The problem you see, is that our
47 Post contains links PPGMD : I just can't wait until we have NHS here: http://www.thisisnorthscotland.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=149475&command=displayContent&sourceNode=149205&
48 Airplay : I am simply defending against your attacks of how a person "pays more and gets worse care in the US." I wasn't addressing people singularily. I was ad
49 Qb001 : In the meantime, why don't you non-Americans who think you know everything and tell us how selfish and stupid we Americans are just shut the f*** up?
50 Captoveur : "All you end up with with price controls are shortages and empty shelves." L-188 is right on with this. Ask anyone who stayed awake in economics and a
51 USAirways737 : "The survey in the thread starter neglected to ask what percentage of Americans would be willing to have a 10-30% tax hike to pay for their "free" hea
52 Captoveur : Out of the proposals I have seen, the tax would be somewhere around 8-9% and it would be a tax on the employer. Got it, so we want to run all the smal
53 Dvk : Airplay, you are grossly oversimplifying things for your own convenience. NO, not all ordered tests require follow-up exams. Many things can be addres
54 Mdsh00 : Excellent Dvk. You really did hit the nail on the head with that one.
55 Airplay : But for you to say that we pay twice as much for worse service.... Perhaps you can comment on the links I provided that indicate that the US pays abou
56 Dvk : You have to look deeper again, Airplay. What percentage of Canadians are black? What percentage of Canadians are obese? Without substantial correction
57 VonRichtofen : ""All you end up with with price controls are shortages and empty shelves." L-188 is right on with this. Ask anyone who stayed awake in economics and
58 L-188 : Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the Canadian Federal Goverment subsidising production costs? Which means that if a bunch of Americans head north th
59 Post contains links Qb001 : Dvk, I'm glad I'm given a chance to discuss the topic with someone who at least knows what he's talking about. It's a welcome change from those who th
60 Captoveur : "It's a welcome change from those who think that the laws of supply and demand can be applied to health care, which is an area where demand is limitle
61 Post contains images Qb001 : Oye! Oye! A.net is glad to welcome the first barely-out-of-teenage years top expert on health care economics and I refer to: CAPTOVEUR To whom I'm gla
62 Mdsh00 : But other countries, including Canada, are at least as diverse as you are: you just don't know about it. Rightly so, but not exactly. The US has been
63 Airplay : The bottom line: statistics can be VERY misleading... Well...when faced with a decision between statistics provided by the WHO and some guy on the int
64 Dvk : I'm well aware that other countries are diverse, but there is a difference. Canada does not have anywhere near the percentage of black residents that
65 Captoveur : "To whom I'm glad to award the famous Cream Pie Award, to reward him on his remarkable bombastic claims, on topics he obviously couldn't tell his ass
66 Dvk : Sticks and stones, Airplay. This guy on the internet knows how to look at the WHO reports, and knows that simple statistics regarding dollars spent, l
67 Qb001 : Dvk, Allow me to disagree. But I don't want to go point by point to refute your point of view; as long as you agree that the solution has to go throug
68 Dvk : The racial differences are still very significant. The native populations of the US and Canada have many similarities, but you cannot compare an Asian
69 Captoveur : "Whatever you have read or been told that our programs won't pay $20 for an office visit for simple problems is simply wrong." Damn, I want to go to y
70 Qb001 : Dvk, Well, here's what I've been told by some American here on this issue, in other threads. Someone who is not covered by insurance will nonetheless
71 Dvk : Emergency departments in the U.S. cannot deny ANY patient treatment, whether it's for a heart attack or a cold. The COBRA laws will annihilate any fac
72 Mdsh00 : Great response Dvk. I hope this puts to rest the ignorance that a lot of non-Americans have about our system. I also wanted to add that County General
73 Qb001 : but non-Americans who claim our system and overall health care are a travesty on the basis of the raw WHO numbers, or on what they've "heard", are equ
74 Dvk : Yes, but for one, final time, resources and health status MUST be looked at considering the many racial, ethnic, environmental, and socioeconomic infl
75 NUAir : All you have to look at is corporate greed! All of the nations health care providers are making out like bandits and seeing profits skyrocket while th
76 Qb001 : Dvk, Hold on now. Qb001, you seem stubbornly resistant to accepting that fact Well, it's not the best argument you've came up with so far; I could ret
77 Airplay : The Chinese simply do not have the high rates of obesity, diabetes, and hypertension seen in blacks and Mexican latinos.... Oh brother....now I know
78 L-188 : Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the Canadian Federal Goverment subsidising production costs? So? The US government subsidises farmers. Does that me
79 Post contains images Airplay : Duh....gee L-188. Thanks for using ludicrous numbers to fail to illustrate your point.... Not only are your numbers way out, you failed to consider th
80 Dvk : First, Qb001: I NEVER said that the U.S. health care system doesn't need reform. I admitted as much in my very first post. I made strong and VALID arg
81 Airplay : By the way Airplay, before you tell me that I don't know anything, why don't you try proofreading your erudite posts and using a spell check? Actually
82 Dvk : Hypertension is linked to obesity, but even non-obese blacks have a higher rate of hypertension than other racial and ethnic groups. If you really wan
83 Qb001 : Dvk, First, please get off your high horses. This is just an Internet debate! It's not as if you and I are going to change the course of the world her
84 Captoveur : "This thread was started with the result of a poll conducted among 1,000+ Americans, who, like myself indeed, think that your system needs major refor
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