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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Any experience with Toyota 4 Runners? Good...bad...indifferent?
Still have the uber-sedan for work (and will be replaced with 06 next year)..but need a SUV-ish car for weekends and hauling.

Range Rover...too expensive (74K)
LR3....not out yet (was first choice)
Land Cruiser to be redone in '06..
Grand Cherokee turned fairly ugly...
Sequoi felt too big...

Are the 4-Runners nice?

Intelligent opinions and replies are appreciated...

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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Are the 4-Runners nice?Intelligent opinions and replies are appreciated..

I don't own one, but I've driven one enough times to have a decent feel for them, I shared the car with my brother before I got my Camry. The only other SUV I've driven enough to have a basis of comparison is the Ford Explorer, and I very much prefered the 4Runner.

The model I got aquaited with was a 1998 SR5, at the time the base trim line. Everything is logically placed, except for the cupholders which were a bitch, completly blocking the AC controls when used. There is a power rear window, which is sorta nice. It handled like a truck and accelerated very quickly, non-4 wheel drive models have rear wheel drive. I loved the engine sound, nice deep baratone. My brother still owns it and has had no reliability problems that I know of.

Overal was a very nice car. The 4runner was heavily redesigned in 2003, and they are supposidly much improved over an already excellent design. Other SUV's I think you might want to look at- Honda Pilot, Acura MDX, Lexus RX330, Toyota Highlander (tad on the wimpy side if you ask me), and VW Toureg (if you got the cash  Big grin


User currently offlineChrista From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

How about the BMW X5 or X3...

If you want something that'll get the job done well..

Land Rover Discovery?

Regards,

Christa


User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

My family has had 2 4 Runners. The original 2 door, then we bought a 4 door 1990 version in Oct. of 1989.

It still runs great, with well over 160,000 miles on it. We've had no major problems, only a couple minor things here and there. Literally they were very minor things, years apart.

I drove it for the past 2 years or so, and beat the snot out of it, off roading with friends and hauling all kinds of stuff. I love it to death, if I ever were to buy and SUV Id choose a 4 Runner. I would also say its a great value. Im not one to spend the $$$ for a BMW or Mercedes, so Id say its a excellent choice. Also with the BMW or Mercedes, I would not want to be taking it out often for fear of it getting damaged. At least with a 4 Runner you havent paid a gazillion bucks for it. As for the Land Rover, my Grandad owned one for a while and hated it. He said it constantly had things going wrong with it.

As far as size, it may not be the biggest, but I am 6'4'' almost and I fit fine in it. The newer ones are slightly larger, and have slightly stronger engines as well. With mine, I wouldnt be caught racing anybody for anything, as it isnt the quickest SUV, but, it gets the job done.

[Edited 2004-09-19 22:08:35]

My Grandad owned a Land Rover for a while and hated it. He said it constantly had things going wrong with it.

[Edited 2004-09-19 22:11:00]

[Edited 2004-09-19 22:14:37]


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7785 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

The 4Runner sounds like a good reasonable choice. You should check out the new Nissan Pathfinder as well... they should be hitting dealer lots soon.

For not too many bucks both of these trucks should do you fine. Should be able to get either of these fully equipped for under $40k.



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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

The X5 hits the $60K mark with the goodies installed..making it a rather expensive garage queen for the supermarket.....the X3 is a joke (don't believe me? Drive one!)---the 3-Series wagon actually handles better and is more comfortable to drive...

The Disco is being..not to be clever..Disco'ntinued for the LR3 (think 85% of a Range Rover)---but no availability for several months....which is a pity, because it gets the Jag V-8 (likely the only notable Jag engine this side of the 80's V-12's)

Common sense dictates a price of around $40-45K---there is not a whole lot in that market save some pimped out Expeditions and Envoys---which look nasty.

The 4Runner looked a little quirky...but the V-8 Limited can be had for around $38K with most the toys. The top of the line one has the V8 option...but no four wheel drive--which is confusing.

And yes, I will go look at the Pathfinders. My issue with Nissan is that the interiors are all extremely plasticky looking and do not have a substantial feel...


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Common sense dictates a price of around $40-45K---there is not a whole lot in that market save some pimped out Expeditions and Envoys---which look nasty.

My bad... I thought you were looking for something in the 25-35k range. I'll recommend the Acura MDX, Lexus RX330, and VW Toureg.

The hybrid RX330 comes out in the spring I think, offering very powerful acceleration and efficent gas mileage. I've had a thing for the Acura MDX for a while, I love those rear tail lights. The Toureg has some great aspects, but A. I wish it were an Audi and B. I just don't equate VW with 40k cars yet. The Toureg is the only midsized SUV that I know of with a turbocharged V10.


User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1534 times:
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Hi Greg,

I've got a 2003 Toyota 4Runner 4WD (the V6), and I have to say - I LOVE this truck!  Love

It's wider and longer than the previous body style, and rides like a luxury car. It also has an impressive array of toys that come standard, whereas other SUVs offer them as pricey options (like trip/mileage computers, extra AC outlets, etc). Also, running boards come standard, as does a towing package which is integrated into the frame.

I'd suggest going with the V6 if you like get-up-n'-go, as the V6 actually has more horsepower than the V8 does - although the V8 has more torque, so while both are rated at 5000lbs towing capability, the V8 tows a bit easier.

I went to the 4Runner from a 2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport, and I was getting 17mpg on average. The 4Runner? 22mpg on average so far - and it's a far larger vehicle.




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User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Greg

My dad has a 2003 4Runner Limited V8. He has had a few quality issues with the rubber moulding around the door and the chrome plated lug-nut covers corroding. Other then that, he has been very happy with its car-like ride for a traditional SUV and its good cargo capicity. If you're looking for a more upsale version, look at the Lexus GX470 (picture below) or the VW Touareg, which has also rated very high.




User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

EACO AS....I didn't know that...I assumed the V8 was more powerful...I have no intention of towing..so I'll look again at the V-6.

Flight.....Lexus 470 still tops out at over $55K...which is doable..but more than I want to spend on a second car (kinda stupid, yeah?) The 330 is for women (check the sales demographics!). The Toureg is just plain ugly (although I understand it's quite nice...).

I'm leaning toward the 4-Runner..but will also look at the Pathfinder.

Thanks for your help.



User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

I figured some hot shot lawyer like you would be driving a Mercedes or something


Go big or go home
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

AA - Its a second car. Keep up.

Greg, you want a full size tree killing environment ruining SUV for a SECOND CAR? Thanks for killin the planet.

Signed, Europe

*Also, I have heard nothing but good things as far as 4Runners go.


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

The 4Runner is a great car. But the engine is not as strong over here in Europe as it is in the US.

But why not have one of these?  Big grin

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/635919/

Define Europe KROC  Big grin


User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

Sorry, that whole lack of sleep thing is killing me...Plus a host of other things going on right now..Mikey I gotta talk to you...


Go big or go home
User currently offlineArniepie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

As for a second car why not a Volvo 460!!!
I know of an airliner.net-member who can get his hands on one

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/638029//



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Qlguy24 - I would have just said France, but I didn't want to cause Sebolino's head to spin around like the chick in the Exorcist, because while anyone else can joke on France, when I do it, dude has an aneurysm.

User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2769 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

I owned a 1988 4Runner and had it 15 years until I traded it in. I drove it 463,000 kilometres (290,000 miles for non-metric folks) and it was still running when I traded it in. Sure it had a lot of rust by then because of all the salt used on our Canadian roads in winter. But it was a great vehicle and given the chance would definately have bought another.

Just for your info, I traded it in on a new Nissan Xterra. Why the switch from Toyota (the 4Runner was my 4th Toyota) to Nissan. Simply because Toyota no longer has available a 4Runner with a 5-speed manual transmission here in Canada. I love a standard manual transmission so I switched to Nissan who offered the 5-speed in the Xterra. By the way, I had contacted Toyota about getting a 5-spd 4Runner and they said that it wasn't worth their bother to bring in the 5-spds into Canada because they didn't sell enough. Everybody else wants the Automatic gearbox. Well thanks, but no thanks. Toyota can't be bothered for a customer with cash in their pocket.... well at least Nissan was nice enought to oblidge. Guess Toyota had so many customers they didn't care if they lost a 4 time Toyota owner. Geez.... what ever happened to customer loyalty.


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

Hehe...

Well you are right... There seems to be a bitchfight between some american members and some french when it comes to that Big grin


User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1801 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

Check out the redesigned 2005 Toyota Tacoma pick up, not and SUV per se but the 4 door long bed version is very very nice, check the off road package, since this is a redesign it is a bit wider and longer than the current model and the interior is much much bigger....................do a search on the web for pictures, most of the ones you will find are of the X-runner (for the bling-bling types) but the 4 door off road version is very nice and they should be hitting dealer showrooms in a couple of weeks.


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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1444 times:
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EACO AS....I didn't know that...I assumed the V8 was more powerful...I have no intention of towing..so I'll look again at the V-6.

Yeah, it's odd - the V6 gives you 245HP but the V8 comes in at only 235HP, but lots more torque (320lb-ft vs. 283lb-ft for the V6). I was mistaken about the towing, though - the V6 can tow 5,000lbs, the V8 gives you up to 7,000lbs.

UPDATE -

Things may have changed with the 2005 version, since I was looking over Toyota's technical specs on their website, and NOW they list the V6 at 240HP, while the V8 shows 270HP. I don't know if it's a misprint or whatever, since other sites still show the two at 245 (V6) and 235 (V8) respectively, the same as the 2003 and 2004 versions.

You may want to check further with a local Toyota dealership on this, though. Either way the 4Runner's a great buy.




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User currently offlineDan-air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1443 times:

Take a look at the Infiniti FX35/45 - I have a 35 and it is awesome! Fast and comfortable, slightly larger interior than and X5 but loaded it is at least $10,000 less to buy. A great deal.

User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

GM (like other manufacturers) has a competitive analysis disassembly facility where they tear-down other make vehicles, right down to seperating welds in the sheet metal and stressing components to test and compare materials, assembly methods, etc. Word from some friends involved in this operation commonly gives the 4Runner extremely high marks on build quality and ruggedness. I have no personal experience with the vehicle, but other professional sources give it a very high grade in quality and durability. Regards..Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1417 times:

Greg,

I'm also looking for a second car and I happen to be very close to purchasing a Nissan Titan SE King Cab, 2wd. I will be using it for hauling - pleasure and business, it possesses nice enough creature comforts and plenty of room for both clients or friends. Plenty of power for my needs.

Tony



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User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

I knew this gay lawyer once, and he drove a Geo Tracker.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

Poor guy...pretty much an underachier---or just out of law school.
I know what a Geo is....what's a tracker?

The Titan is full size, right? That's likely too big...I don't really need a truck bed.

Thanks for your help.


25 Post contains images JAXpax : This baby is a Geo Tracker... the economy SUV.
26 Aerobalance : A Titan would be too big for you then. I prefer a previous generation 4-runner compared to the current ones, yet I still like the current model 4-runn
27 Drerx7 : What is your uber-sedan?
28 Greg : M5 Got it at Advantage two years ago. Have a deposit on the 2006/7 model..but won't be available for 10 months...earliest.
29 Dmeeky243 : I've got a 2001 Limited 4Runner and I've been really impressed with it. I looked at all the other ones, but mostly it was the engine. I had an 88 Hond
30 ScarletHarlot : 4Skinner? How ordinary and frat boy. I'm disappointed in you again, Greg.
31 Post contains images EA CO AS : How ordinary and frat boy. I'm disappointed in you again, Greg. Gee, it's a shame we 4Runner aficionados can't live up to your lofty standards.
32 ScarletHarlot : So I'm a car snob - I admit it. So is Greg, I thought, and that is why I'm disappointed.
33 EA CO AS : So I'm a car snob - I admit it. So am I, to a point...but if you've driven a new 4Runner lately, you'd know they're now quite luxurious.
34 Trickijedi : A good friend of mine has a 2002 4Runner which I drive at least 6x a month (she hates driving in the city) excluding long road trips. As I'm sure ever
35 Post contains images Greg : Now Scarlet...just cause we have an inferior MB...shouldn't make you hurl insults! What would you recommend? Please, please, please don't tell me an M
36 AA777 : DEFINITLEY check out the BMW X5 / X3.... also, look at the Honda Pilot.... DO NOT go for the Merc ML Class.... We had one this summer that we rented,
37 MaverickM11 : I switched from a 4Runner to a Audi A4 Quattro after an incident in Vail Pass. Apparently 4Runners don't cartwheel too well... That said if I could go
38 Dmeeky243 : 4Runner to an A4? Now that's a change! I paid a little over 19g's for my 2001. I can use it to cater parties, plenty of room, and when the guys and I
39 QIguy24 : JaxPax, That Geo Tracker looks a lot like the Suzuki Vitara over here in Europe. Is it possible that it's the same car with just another name?
40 Marcus : Yes.........................the Vitara and the Tracker are the same car
41 Post contains images ScarletHarlot : "Inferior" MB, my butt, and you know it Greg... Why an SUV? Why not a wagon of some sort? Even a Subaru Outback is better than a 4Skinner.
42 Post contains images Greg : I'm sorry, I meant 'vastly inferior'---I can understand your rage regarding my mistake! You can trade it in for a 300C (pimp daddy car!). Guys..the ob
43 Flight152 : ScarletHarlot What do you have that is so 'special'? Greg- The Cayenne V6 retails around $41K (according to the Porsche website) if you are willing to
44 Post contains images ScarletHarlot : Ah, Greg, you know who the queen of the cool cars is around here - and it's not you! (King, in your case! ) Flight152: 2002 Mercedes-Benz CLK 55. This
45 Greg : Before someone takes this seriously......Scarlet and I are joking....we are twin children of different mothers (both german...but mine is from Munich.
46 Post contains images Flight152 : Scarlet Time to upgrade to the new CLK model, isn't it? By the way, i've noticed you talk about Thunder bay a lot and i'm always there in the summer a
47 Cessnapimp : Neat... those Google ads on 4runners on the side; how do they do that? I'm assuming a recurring word scan on the thread? Theory proving time: Camry C
48 Post contains images Greg : Last I read, the M5 still kicked the big boxy ass of the CLK....or is your memory THAT selective???? (I'll give kudos to the E55 since it is a very re
49 MD-90 : Why not a 4Runner? You can have it in your garage and not have to worry about it--Toyota reliability and all.
50 Aerobalance : I love cars, too bad they are a fantastic waste of money.............
51 Greg : Aerobalance....maybe. I derive a lot of enjoyment from vehicles..so, to me, it's not a waste at all---just a ridiculously expensive hobby. I'd rather
52 Post contains links EA CO AS : Toyotaphiles: So why in the 4Runner Limited NOT available with the V8? Any ideas--or is this limited to my region? The salesman looked stumped. Per th
53 Captoveur : I have heard good things about the 4runners, I know someone who had one a long time and they promptly went out and bought another, he is one of those
54 Post contains images MD-90 : I'd rather have cars than kids The previous generation models did not have a very tall cabin. I imagine that a 6'4" person would fit much better in a
55 Aerobalance : Greg, I understand. -T
56 Post contains images ScarletHarlot : Wait a sec, is this the same Tony who rented a MB in Seattle so he could check it out before he got one himself? Flight152: very cool! I grew up in TB
57 Aerobalance : Yep, Same guy. I liked that C240, yet it may end up being to small for me in everyday use. The new business I just started will dictate the vehicle I
58 Drerx7 : Advantage...? Here in Houston? I like your M5--I absolutely hate the new 5 series design--combine the design of the current M5 and the 500HP V10 of th
59 Greg : Scarlet...I've had my M5 for two years..it's Sterling Silver/Black..stock wheels, etc...just over 13K miles. I have a healthy deposit down on the new
60 Post contains images ScarletHarlot : Sorry Greg, my mistake! Well...I am not giving up my throne yet...
61 Post contains images StevenUhl777 : Used to have an '87 GMC Jimmy, great SUV, I miss it. But, it was getting old, and things were starting to go bad and get potentially very expensive, s
62 Post contains images MD11Engineer : I´m seriously considering something like this as my second car: A WW2 Dodge WC-51. They come unrestored, but drivable at about 4000-5000 Euro Of cour
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