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User currently offlineMNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

I was looking over the Euro 2004 website when i found out that Israel played in the Qualifications for the tournament. How can this be when i thought that the Euro cup was for Europe ONLY. also what would have happened if Israel had won the cup??


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Israel is sort of an "associated" member since they´d have nowhere to play otherwise... Same for *ahem* cultural exercises like the Eurovision Song Contest...  Wink/being sarcastic

Israel is culturally not too dissimilar from Europe, so it´s not really an issue.

It´s just one of those weird things in the world...  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5630 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

I've always though of Israel as a European country that happens to be located in Asia.


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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Israel is physically located in Asia, although culturally it is Western. Israel plays against European teams becuase Middle Eastern nations refuse to recognize Israel and thus won't play them....Just look at the Iranian who wouldn't face an Israeli during the Olympics.

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

Israel is mora a part of Asia Minor (middle east) than Europe I would think.

User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

...........Same for Turkey!!


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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1375 times:

Israel is located in Asia. It is a member of OECD, observer member of the EC and CERN and partner of the OSCE. CERN observer status will be possibly upgraded, yet Israel will never be a full member of the EC/EU.

IFA is a member of UEFA.



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1364 times:

Israel plays against European teams becuase Middle Eastern nations refuse to recognize Israel and thus won't play them....Just look at the Iranian who wouldn't face an Israeli during the Olympics.

That't can't possibly the only or primary reason can it? The vast majority of Asian countries aren't Arab or Muslim, and of those that are, some of them seem not have such a problem with Israel as fat is sport is concerned, at least.


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

The vast majority of Asian countries aren't Arab or Muslim, and of those that are, some of them seem not have such a problem with Israel as fat is sport is concerned, at least.

This is very much true. It is only a relatively small number of Asian countries that refuse to be engaged in any activity with Israel. Syria, Lebanon and Iran are the ones that drive that mood.



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Israel is not a European country, the fact that they like to associate themselfes with Europe, does not change that.
If anything, Israel is more a part of the US located in Asia  Big grin



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User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Israel is the 51. State of the US  Big grin J/K

Israel is an asian country together with Russia. But I wonder why Russia plays in the European qualification and not the asian.


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

Israel is not a European country, the fact that they like to associate themselfes with Europe, does not change that.
If anything, Israel is more a part of the US located in Asia


LOL Manni! The first part of your post is just like Australia's constant claim that they're just as Asian as Burma!


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1336 times:

Israel is an asian country together with Russia

Russia is as European as it is Asian. European part of Russia is bigger than the UK , France and Germany combined.

As I said, Israel is not a European country, nor does it truly belong to Asia people-wise. It is a mix, and that should not suprise you, since it is a country of immigrants , mainly from Europe and North Africa. If you doubt that Manny, let me assure you that I am as European as you are. The fact that I don't hold EU citizenship is worthless. All I need is to sit down and write a nice letter to the Austrian embassy and fill in some forms. I don't feel the urge to do so, since I am proud to be Israeli.



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8051 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

Manni, you beat me too it - I've always though of Israel as a US state that happens to be located in Asia too.

The comparison with Turkey and Russia isn't really apt, since half of Turkey (the bit where most of the action is) actually is on the European continent (indeed the division between Europe and Asia cuts right through Istanbul in the form of the Bosphorus River); and half of Russia, including most of the population and the important cities of Moscow and Saint Petersburg, is in Europe - the division in that part of the world between Europe and Asia is the Ural Mountains.



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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

since half of Turkey (the bit where most of the action is) actually is on the European continent

Not true.


and half of Russia
Not true geographically, yet true in all other senses.



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

Whatta nightmare to deal with A Sharon, the fat *blank* in the EU commision......
Neither Israel or Turkey belongs to EU IMO!!

Micke/SE  Big grin



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1305 times:

Israel in its current form couldn´t become a member anyway even if they wanted to (which they don´t) because of human rights issues.

I think that Europe can´t solve the problems for both Israel and Turkey; The whole region needs to get its stuff together at last so they can stand on their own (even with good relations to Europe, hopefully).


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

As Klaus mentioned , Israel (unlike Turkey) has no will to become a member of EU. EU and Israel are very interested in strong bilateral relations, especially economical and financial ones, and those exist to a very high degree. Future may bring more co-operation, but that's about it.


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

Sorry if I sound harsh on this topic, but I really get pissed off when in Turkey the family of a 12 y/o girl was shot 86 (eightysix) times by her brother just becouse she hit a ride with a relative to her house....she dishonour her family by doing that, so she had to be killed!!! I was furius when I read it yesterday, and this is only one example of the living turkish way.

Turkey better take care of this so called "honour killings" or they can forgot a place in EU, thats for sure! Gggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......

About Israel, the only buddys they got is US, simple as that! The Israeli Govt. are saying that europeans are anti-semetics, just blur it out on all of us living here! Pleeaaseeeeee........have on a olive, Ariel  Insane

If they are the "people choosen by God", in my book they sure dont act like it!! Practise what you preach...my ***!

Micke  Angry



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User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

What's your point Micke?

About the US being Israel's only friend that's simply not true. Despite what you might think diplomatic and economical relations between Israel and the vast majority of the EU countries are excellent. Voting in the UN is something slightly different and has nothing to do with the real life.

Oh , and there's no such thing as god chosenness, since god is a human invention.



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

LY7E7:

Sure, especilly after this "Berlinwall" you´re building! That gonna make Israel a true "peaceloving nation" among the UN nations  Insane

There will NEVER be peace as long Israel/Palestine refuse to reach out a hand.........period!



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User currently offlineAvi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Back to topic.

MNeo: what would have happened if Israel had won the cup??

Relax, Israel is not even close, in football, to get to the Euro games (never did it) or the world cup games (did it only in 1970, and not from the European groups), not to mention winning it, today, or in 100 years.

In other sports it’s a different story. If you check my signature you will see that an Israeli team is the European champion in basketball (the final 4 games were in Tel Aviv), another team is the ULEB cup champion (another Europe’s tournament) and a 3rd team finished 3rd in another tournament, all in 2004.
Israel, regularly, plays in the European basketball championships (and even was 2nd in 1979).

Israel also has and had many European champions in other sports (mainly in sea sports).

When it comes to sport, Israel is part of Europe although, geographically, it’s part of Asia.




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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1270 times:

I don´t agree that Israel wouldn´t like to be member of European Union, but it´s not possible neither politically nor economically.
As far as sport goes, Israel used to play in the oceania group (Oz, NZ and so on) until the become involved in the european group.


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2234 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1261 times:

I don´t agree that Israel wouldn´t like to be member of European Union

In such case you are unfamiliar with Israel's foreign policy doctrine. Complying to a certain EU laws can and will undermine Israel's guidelines, thus Israel could not be less interested in joining the EU. Being a premium economic partner is as far as it goes.

On a funny note : how would you define a country (EU-wise) that almost a quarter of its population (and almost a third until 2010) are EU citizens?  Smile

[Edited 2004-09-20 17:32:21]


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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1252 times:

Israel and European Countries do have extremely close cooperation, usually behind the scenes action that isn't talked about too much for fear of pissing off the Arabs.

Oh , and there's no such thing as god chosenness, since god is a human invention

And I read that 80% of Jews in Israel are secular?  Smile

Israel will never be in the EU though. It is much more beneficial for them to maintain good relations with the EU and have amazing relations with the US.

When it comes down to it, most European governments are appeasers and are more than willing to flush Israel down the drain time and time again, with the one exception being Germany for obvious reasons.

Israel in its current form couldn´t become a member anyway even if they wanted to (which they don´t) because of human rights issues.

Palestinian territories are not part of Israel Klaus. It's a battlefield. Should Iraq count towards US human rights violations?

If anything, Israel is more a part of the US located in Asia

Israel is one of our frontlines in the war on terror, for sure.


25 PPGMD : Last time I checked the government considered most of the Middle East technically in Europe. When I ask about the race on guberment forms, they just s
26 Post contains images Klaus : Rjpieces: Israel and European Countries do have extremely close cooperation, usually behind the scenes action that isn't talked about too much for fea
27 Rjpieces : Too bad the religious fanatics are ultimately in charge in many if not most of the critical decisions - even going so far as to murdering a prime mini
28 LY7E7 : For five decades Klaus? That's a stupid and appalling thing to say. Maybe the fierce resistance to any Jewish representation on this strip of land had
29 LY7E7 : Solnabo, If you don't like islamic traditional family honour killings that much to oppose Turkey's accession to the EU ,you might also think why I don
30 Post contains images Klaus : Rjpieces, you are either just unwilling or incapable of dealing with actual arguments. All we get from you are petulant emotional jabs at whoever "thr
31 Rjpieces : For five decades Klaus? That's a stupid and appalling thing to say. Maybe the fierce resistance to any Jewish representation on this strip of land had
32 Klaus : Rjpieces: Israel is one of our frontlines in the war on terror, for sure. Klaus: It´s surely the most successful breeder of terrorism. That´s for su
33 Solnabo : Didnt expect a Einstein to answer about the wall / schengen / palestinian from a israeli, but this is redicilus. Palestine is pushed into a corner and
34 LY7E7 : Klaus , your constructive solution ideas sound amazinlgy close to Horus , BA, etc. I.e. Jewish state is a historic mistake. Consequently I have no fur
35 Solnabo : Ariel Sharon is wanted by Belgium Govt. for the massmurders in Lebanon in the 80´s!! What does that say about the primeminister of Israel? Plus the p
36 LY7E7 : Solnabo , at least get your facts straight. Sharon is NOT wanted by the Belgian gmnt.
37 Post contains images Klaus : LY7E7: Klaus , your constructive solution ideas sound amazinlgy close to Horus , BA, etc. I.e. Jewish state is a historic mistake. Consequently I have
38 Sabena332 : This thread has gone way off-topic and has nothing to do anymore with the original question in the thread starter, so it is archived. Patrick
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