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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

I was wondering about gay rights in other countries. Do gay couples in other countries have the same rights as married couples? Is it a controversial issue in other countries as it is in the US?

What is the future of the gay marriage/union issue in the US now? Assuming there is no federal amendment to ban gay marriage, are any other states expected to legalize gay marriage/civil unions? Are gay couples in Mass. being given FULL equal rights, even when it comes to issues with the Federal Government like taxes? What other states have been progressive with regards to gay rights? Any chance that Congress will ever get rid of the Defense of Marriage Act of 1996?

It seems crazy that in NYC and San Francisco, there hasn't been more of a forceful movement for equal rights. It really boggles my mind that in 2004 this is still an issue.

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Eventually, gay rights, like woman's rights and rights for minorities will be accepted. I think Civil Unions are the way to go, but, eventually, this country will allow gay marriages.

And it's only an issue because two extremes-the gay lobby and the far right of the GOP have, together, made it an issue.


User currently offlineVaporlock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

Falcon84, well said!!!!

Phyllis  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineARGinMIA From Argentina, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Lets see how long till someone starts saying that we want special priveleges.. when are they going to undestand that we just want to have the same rights.. put it this way.. you live with your girfriend for 5 years.. she has no family.. she gets into a car accident.. and she gets hospitalized (lets say a coma .. so she cannot talk) you try to visit her.. but since you are not a family member.. the hospital will not allow you to see her... if you where married.. that would solve the problem.. now things like these happen to gay couples.. you want to visit your partner in a hospital.. and since you aren't family or spouse.. you CAN'T.. what's so "special privilege" about just asking for those rights?

back to the topic.. here in Buenos aires we have full "Civil Union" laws.. still not on the federal law.. but it will shortly be there also.. giving the "civil Union" the same rights as an heterosexual marriage..



Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1367 times:
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I'm confused; can someone please tell me which parts of the Bill of Rights don't apply to gay individuals?

My point is that if we are truly "all created equal," then why do certain subsets of the populace need a separate group of rights?



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineARGinMIA From Argentina, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Nobady said SEPARATE group or rights.. EA CO AS.. we just want the same rights a regular heterosexual cuple can have.. like for example being able to visit your partner in the hospital when he is sick..


Alto.. Mucho mas alto.. hasta la cumbre
User currently offlineDmeeky243 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

About 10 years ago, something my dad said stuck with me. "I believe in equal rights for everyone, special rights for no one." I live by that. Whether its from my (flagrantly) homosexual lead server Danny, to my mildly handicapped DMO (dishwaser) Juanito. They're each treated the same. I've found that everyone on my crew, respects this approach, and is impressed by it. Just my two cents. Hey, whatever floats your boat.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1344 times:
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we just want the same rights a regular heterosexual cuple can have.. like for example being able to visit your partner in the hospital when he is sick

That's not a "right" that can be legislated though. That's a matter of hospital policy.

Again, my point is that the clamor for "(insert group here) rights" are misguided, since there is no part of the Bill of Rights that excludes certain groups.




"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1338 times:

Being gay is not normal. Its ok to be gay but its not "normal" A man and a woman living together for too long becomes "common law" marriage. Gay people can live together forever if they want to but marriage is for men & women.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1331 times:

Being gay is not normal. Its ok to be gay but its not "normal"

Oh please! Normal is a setting on a washing machine.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1328 times:
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A man and a woman living together for too long becomes "common law" marriage.

Again, that's not something the Bill of Rights addresses - either in favor of or opposing. As a previous poster said, the Bill of Rights apply to everyone, and there isn't a need for a special set of rights for others.

Jesus is a Liberal Jew !!!

Dc10guy, I have a question about your signature - if Jesus is liberal, do you think he'd embrace a liberal cause, like a woman's right to choose?  Big grin

(And for the record, I'm pro-choice - just wanted to make you think a bit about your signature)



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11472 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

But we have come a long way in the fight for gay rights. I was once fired not 10 years ago for being gay. Now, we are on the verge of declaring same sex unions.

But, could someone explain to me (keeping separation of church and state in mind) how same sex unions are bad?

GO CANUCKS!!



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

But we have come a long way in the fight for gay rights. I was once fired not 10 years ago for being gay. Now, we are on the verge of declaring same sex unions.

Seb, I'm not poking fun or anything, but this reminds me of something I read. About how true equality has always existed and still does. Both gays and straights can be fired for being gay.


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Like someone said on another thread :

GOD MAKE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE

:D Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin

RK


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4623 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Getting back to the topic before this degenerates into a typical Airliners.Net free for all...

In Australia, you can't be married if you're a gay person.

However, what the majority of gay people want is equal rights. In what way is it not equal? If one person in a gay relationship dies, and they have been living together for 40 years, the surviving member has no rights at all.

They don't get the Superannuation money (pension scheme). If the house is in the dead partners name, they have no right to the house.

You are not considered a "partner" legally.

My personal opinion is that people can take marriage and keep it how it is, or do whatever with it. I'd be quite happy with De Facto status being recognised on a future relationship that I have, so that I have the same rights that straight couples who aren't married but who live together for years have.

Trent.


[Edited 2004-09-20 09:21:41]


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

Strange that every homophobic referres to the bible when it comes to gay issues  Insane

Micke/SE



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User currently offlineUssherd From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Same-sex couples may marry in the Netherlands, Belgium & Denmark.

Same-sex couples may enter into civil partnerships in Croatia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, Norway, Portugal, Sweden, Switzerland and Spain.

UK: Civil union legislation is going through parliament. Has been met with complete indifference by the general public.

Ireland: The Law Reform Commission of Ireland has recommended granting both heterosexual and homosexual cohabiting couples a number of legal rights and this proposal is currently being discussed.

Some civil unions offer virtually the same rights as marriage; others are a much more diluted version of marriage. The general view is that civil unions are an intermediate step towards the granting of full marriage rights to homosexuals.

In September 2003, in it’s annual report on human rights issues in the European Union, the European Parliament recommended that the 15 member states grant homosexuals the right to marry and adopt.



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User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

Like someone said on another thread :

GOD MAKE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE

:D

RK


Funny, I bet you dont even believe in Adam and Eve yet you use it as a basis for a moral argument!



Equally Cursed and Blessed.
User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

Good to see that the Commission is getting it right in some instances, at least!

User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1256 times:



Why call it a right? a 'special right'? a privilege?

Its what I expect! If my partner was in hospital, why shouldnt I be able to visit?

It's a total no brainer.

They aren;t special rights, privileges or even concessions. Its common sense and its not about giving a group something. But its more about witholding human rights from a person/persons because of what they are.

Its nothing 'special' by any means. If you believe the right to not being harrassed, discriminated against or hated is 'special', then the question should be 'why do you believe YOU should have special rights?

Sadly this topis is still an issue.

Til the next retarded 'gays have too many rights' thread.


Cragley  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineArniepie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

As far as I know you can get married over here (Belgium) and you are also eligible as adoption couples.
Until now not to many gays get married but this is mainly because of taxes.
In Belgium it is cheaper not to be married but have a so called "living-together"
contract (also the reason why me ,my brother and sister are not married with our partners).
conclusion: gay or straight= no difference.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Let's put in terms that a-netters will understand:

Two men have a long term relationship, have a home together, a mortgage, one checking account, wills, power of attorney (for catastrophic illness), tax bills, two cars and a dog.

When one of them is involved in an horrific airliner crash (god forbid), no settlements from the airline nor assistance would be given to the other partner.

The surviving partner is not entitled to any cash settlements, nor participation in litigation.

The surviving partner would not be entitled to receive any information from the airline, nor transportation to the event site.

The surviving partner would not receive Social Security benefits, and legal action my be taken by the deceased family in regards to airline settlements rather than the partner who will loose half of his household income, which could have devastating long term financial effects.

These are not special rights, but equal rights that any co-habitating "hetro" married or common law (US) couple have.





User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1227 times:

I'm confused; can someone please tell me which parts of the Bill of Rights don't apply to gay individuals?

If that's true, EA CO AS, why are certain groups and individuals working so hard to change the Constitution to, for the first time, to specifically DENY a group something?

That to me implies that these people don't want gays to have equal rights, is that not correct?

The right is tryng to put something into the Constitution something that isn't there, and shouldn't be there-a definition of marriage. That should have nothing to do with our Constitution.

I am not for churches being foreced to accept gay marriages. I have no problem with individual states accepting Civil Unions. But I think amending the Constitution on this issue-and on issues such as flag burning, is just plain stupid.


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

>>That's not a "right" that can be legislated though. That's a matter of hospital policy.<<


EA CO AS...

Hospitals are allowed to make such policies because 1) Gay people aren't allowed to enter into a marriage contract as straight people can (can be changed through legislation) and 2) It still is allowable to discriminate against people simply because of their sexual orientation (also can be changed through legislation).

Can you imagine if a hospital had a policy that didn't allow mixed race couples to visit each other??


On another note, I believe Spain is currently considering allowing gay people to marry.




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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13478 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1184 times:
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I'm confused; can someone please tell me which parts of the Bill of Rights don't apply to gay individuals?

If that's true, EA CO AS, why are certain groups and individuals working so hard to change the Constitution to, for the first time, to specifically DENY a group something?


Because those groups are misguided on this issue. Additional laws aren't required, especially an amendment banning gay marriage.




"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
25 Post contains images Falcon84 : Amazing that you can find some common ground, EA CO AS, when starting from different perspectives on the issue, is it not?
26 Jaysit : "That's not a "right" that can be legislated though. That's a matter of hospital policy." That isn't true. Although the Bill of Rights on paper applie
27 Catatonic : I'm confused; can someone please tell me which parts of the Bill of Rights don't apply to gay individuals? If that's true, EA CO AS, why are certain g
28 ZS-SAZ : South Africa is quite well developed in terms of gay rights. Our Constitution is the only constitution in the world to ban discrimination based on sex
29 Pdpsol : Hello TWFirst, On another note, I believe Spain is currently considering allowing gay people to marry. A bit of an update here; the new Socialist gove
30 VSLover : GOD MAKE ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE funny how god made neither. science did.
31 EA CO AS : Amazing that you can find some common ground, EA CO AS, when starting from different perspectives on the issue, is it not? Why is it amazing? I haven'
32 Rjpieces : Thanks for all the responses, especially ussherd's reply 16. What about the rest of my post:What is the future of the gay marriage/union issue in the
33 Falcon84 : EA CO AS, you missed the point-neither one of us changes our basic position on gay rights, yet we agree, ultimately, that the steps being proposed are
34 Post contains images Klaus : VSLover: funny how god made neither. science did. I hope not! But science certainly does a good job researching how nature did it...
35 Post contains images EA CO AS : EA CO AS, you missed the point-neither one of us changes our basic position on gay rights, yet we agree, ultimately, that the steps being proposed are
36 Post contains links N6376m : Here's a link describing where the gay marriage issue goes from here. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/19/louisiana.same.sex.marriage.ap/index.h
37 Jasepl : Over here, unfortunately, we still have the silly Victorian law on the books that says that sex "against the order of nature" is illegal. Whilst I'm s
38 Jaysit : "That said, anyone notice how laws that were "imposed" on a country by their colonisers and accepted so well by the native population, they can't get
39 Post contains images Solnabo : Gay marriage in the church are on the agenda right now in Sweden.... I think it will pass, most seems to be pro-marriage in gvt. Micke/SE
40 Jasepl : Because India has become less Kama Sutra, and more BPO. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if one day the GOI puts a big burkha on the Khajuraho temples
41 ConcordeBoy : Same-sex couples may marry in the Netherlands, Belgium & Denmark. add Canada to that
42 Jasepl : Of course, it goes without saying, that we don’t have any homosexuals, thank God, in India. They're a Western abomination and simply don't exist her
43 LH423 : ConcordeBoy: Right now the situation in Canada is similar to that in the US. Marriage is conducted on a provincial level rather than federal. Right no
44 LY4XELD : LH423, You can now add Manitoba to the list of provinces allowing gay marriages. Also, Yukon has granted same-sex marriages as well, although not terr
45 Post contains links Debonair : Same-sex couples may marry in the Netherlands, Belgium & Denmark Also SPAIN!!! http://www.rainbownetwork.com/News/detail.asp?iData=21067&iCat=29&iCha
46 Captoveur : "A man and a woman living together for too long becomes "common law" marriage." As always, DC10guy has oversimplified things. Common law varies by sta
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