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Al-Jazeera Poll - 93% Of Arabs Support Kidnappings  
User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

Well in a poll conducted by Al Jazeera 93% of Arab respondents supported the spate of kidnappings of westerners.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3684324.stm

Kind of makes you wonder if there is ever going to be peace in that area, if people are as bloodthirsty and depraved as that.


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

I somehow doubt that the phone poll comes remotely close to the standards of statistical accuracy that we take for granted in the West. For one thing, how many people in Arab countries even have telephones?


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

I'm pretty sure that if these Arabs have cable TV to watch Al-jazeera they have telephones!


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2605 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

Something tells me that the people who took the poll were mostly those already against Western nations.

It would be like asking who likes aviation at this website.



Life is better when you surf.
User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Consider this-
Even Fox News doesn't get numbers like that in favor of Bush.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

When you live in one of those nations, you're brought up to learn two things: hate America, hate Israel. Never mind that you might lack basic utilities, or can't read, or women are subservient. Gotta keep the masses repressed in order to maintain power, breed more terrorists, etc.

The dogs bark and the caravan moves on.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

Support of hostage taking is very unfortunate, especially since the two men were innocent and slaughtered in such a brutal fashion. It only goes to show that the so-called support America has is next to non-existent.

However, it appears that the Arab world is sick and tired of seeing pictures of bloody bodies, mothers and children with their brains blown to pieces, etc. While our media in a blatant showing of propaganda doesn't show the death of between 11,000 to 15,000 Iraqi civilians (depending on who's counting), the rest of the world isn't exactly engaging in such shameless red, white, and blue censorship. I think if you witnessed a successive montage of dead bodies on TV for nearly 2 years, you'd be less than shocked and troubled by the plight of two hostages, however hideous their plight may be.

"When you live in one of those nations, you're brought up to learn two things: hate America, hate Israel. Never mind that you might lack basic utilities, or can't read, or women are subservient. Gotta keep the masses repressed in order to maintain power, breed more terrorists, etc."

Which nations? The Arab world is incredibly diverse. Go to any of the Gulf countries and you will think that that Texas is a third world nation in comparison. And as far as keeping the masses repressed in order to maintain power, we seem to be doing a damn good job in perpetuating that by shamelessly supporting Saudi Arabia and other despotic nations. And as far as hating America goes, blame your precious Dubya for that. The US was always generally liked by the huge middle class in the MidEast (with the exception of fundie Islamo-fascists), although lambasted for its support of Israel. Now it appears that even the common man is disgusted with and hates us.


User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

I'm not surprised by this at all, kinda expected it.

Perhaps if they didn't learn to hate Jews and Americans when they are younger, there might be more progress towards peace in that region, but alas religion gets in the way.

http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl.ram?file=realimpact/memri/memri_10-30-02_01.rm&screensize=double

See what I mean!!! This just shows how nuts some Muslims are. This kid will probably end up blowing herself up on a bus when she is 18. I kinda feel sorry for her when she is forced to learn such crap at such a young age.


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

When you live in one of those nations, you're brought up to learn two things: hate America, hate Israel

Correction: the small percentage of extremists you are talking about hate the Western world/society, not only America.

About that poll: this smells to real bull sh*t.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1711 times:

Support of hostage taking is very unfortunate

Goddamn evil is what it is, not unfortunate.



-NWA742


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

"Goddamn evil is what it is, not unfortunate."

You're right.

So is pulverizing to death thousands of people. Yet many Americans think that cluster and bunker bombing to pieces innocent Iraqi men, women and children is just fine and dandy.

The gruesome ritual decapitation of an American man is just as gruesome and hideous as watching a young Iraqi girl choke to death on her own blood after being fatally wounded in a coalition attack.

Justify the deaths of the hapless Iraqis in the name of war if you may. In the end, the dying feel the same horror and pain and shock of an untimely and hideous death.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17544 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

"Correction: the small percentage of extremists you are talking about hate the Western world/society, not only America."

It's not a small percentage. It's a significant, troublesome minority, at the VERY least.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

Jaysit....You are comparing the deliberate kidnapping and murder of an innocent with the unfortunate collateral death and destruction that accompanies any war. I fail to understand why you seem to want to find excuses for these terrorists and their actions. I do not see the same terrorists kidnapping Iranians who shelled and bombed Iraq during the first first modern Gulf War. I see them taking comfort and encouragement from people like you who insist on explaining and excusing their work.

Your sanctimonious, apologistic attitude toward the terrorists, and your ability to lay their murderous behaviour at the feet of the US, instead of at the feet of the religious zealots is disgusting.



Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

I am currently taking a psychology class in college and one thing that I've learned is that polls/surveys can be VERY misleading if they are not conducted and designed properly.

In order for a poll/survey to be accurate, it needs to cover a very wide array of people. Perhaps most of those who responded to the poll were fanatics and did so because they so passionately support these killings. Fanatics like to get their voice out.

The fact is, most polls/surveys are not conducted properly and as a result can be very misleading.

Another factor could be wording effects. How was this poll worded? You won't believe how differently wording effects can change the results of the poll.

Also, I would not be surprised if a number of these people who support the kidnappings at the same time do not support the beheadings.

Perhaps many support the kidnappings as a way to persuade foreign nations to pull their troops out of Iraq, but believe in treating the hostages in a good manner until the political objectives have been met.

I believe people need to have access to Arab media to find the real truth of how people feel there.

Everytime there is a beheading, it makes front headlines in Arab newspapers. A day after and sometimes on the same day, you'll find a number of editorials by religious scholars, politicians, and just everyday people strongly condemning the beheadings. I am not convinced that the majority of the Arab world supports the beheadings.

The fact is the Arab world is very unhappy about the foreign presence in Iraq. They view it as a sign of colonialism as they have experienced greatly in the past. The days of the British and French mandates have not been forgotten. Before those days, most of the Arab world was under the rule of the Ottoman Empire. Arabs have experienced a long history of foreign occupation in which they tried to resist.

It would be interesting to find out more details about this poll...

I strongly opposed the war on Iraq, but nothing justifies the killings of innocent civilians.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

However, it appears that the Arab world is sick and tired of seeing pictures of bloody bodies, mothers and children with their brains blown to pieces, etc.

They didn't seem to tire of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians being raped, tortured, and murdered by the Hussein regime.


Dl021 hit the nail on the head: there is no moral equivalence between accidental deaths during a military campaign, which the coalition takes pains to avoid and regrets when they happen, and the cold-blooded, deliberate, vicious execution of innocents to propagandize and terrorize Iraq into an Islamo-fascist state.

--B2707SST



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

Well, first of all we're talking about the Voice of Al-Qaeda doing a poll. Not the most reputable source. However, I do believe that in many parts of the Middle East the number is close to accurate but not every country.

However, I see very little that can be done to solve the problem but two things might start the process. One is that these people need to be dragged out of the 12th Century and into the modern world. They're still living in the Dark Ages and need to be forced, by any means necessary, into the 21st Century.

Secondly, it may become necessary for them to suffer the same fate as Germany and Japan did in WWII. They learned the true horrors of war, had their populations decimated, cites and towns turned into smoldering rubble, and Allied troops marching through their streets to forcefully occupy their countries. Of course with Japan it took a double nuclear strike in order to burn them into submission. Today neither country is going around creating the mayhem they did in the first half of the 20th century. Both are peaceful and Japan is a free, stable republic and one of our best allies.



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineVafi88 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Well, first of all we're talking about the Voice of Al-Qaeda doing a poll. Not the most reputable source. However, I do believe that in many parts of the Middle East the number is close to accurate but not every country.

However, I see very little that can be done to solve the problem but two things might start the process. One is that these people need to be dragged out of the 12th Century and into the modern world. They're still living in the Dark Ages and need to be forced, by any means necessary, into the 21st Century.

Secondly, it may become necessary for them to suffer the same fate as Germany and Japan did in WWII. They learned the true horrors of war, had their populations decimated, cites and towns turned into smoldering rubble, and Allied troops marching through their streets to forcefully occupy their countries. Of course with Japan it took a double nuclear strike in order to burn them into submission. Today neither country is going around creating the mayhem they did in the first half of the 20th century. Both are peaceful and Japan is a free, stable republic and one of our best allies.


I applaud you on a post well done! Everything I have been saying about the palestinians/arabs, you have basically pointed out... Great post, one of the best I've read in a while - too bad we don't agree more!

I meant that too! BRAVO!



I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

many Americans think that cluster and bunker bombing to pieces innocent Iraqi men, women and children is just fine and dandy.

What are you talking about? I think almost all Americans know that innocent civilian death in war is horrible.

The gruesome ritual decapitation of an American man is just as gruesome and hideous as watching a young Iraqi girl choke to death on her own blood after being fatally wounded in a coalition attack.

As said before, you're attempting to compare a deliberate kidnapping and gruesome murder of an innocent civilian........to accidental civilian deaths which always will occur in war.

You're saying that one is just as bad as the other? Have you lost your damn mind, Jaysit?



-NWA742


User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

I wouldn't be suprised based on who Al Jazeera caters to in the first place. Guess what, this is the same station that went to Baghdad Bob (at least 1,000x more biased than Michael Moron) for information regarding the coalition troops, and people bought into that stuff.


Also, am I the only one who would only sleep with only the noisiest and most effective burglar alarm and an AK-47 rifle clutched under my pillow ready for action over there?


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

"Your sanctimonious, apologistic attitude toward the terrorists, and your ability to lay their murderous behaviour at the feet of the US, instead of at the feet of the religious zealots is disgusting."

The fact that you posted such rubbish is disgusting.
If you bothered to read my posts, you'd realize that one is apologizing for terrorists here. The only apology I see here is the one that you're inherently putting forward for your own callousness for Iraqi civilian deaths. So spare us all your nauseating sanctimonious stupidity. Not one of you or your precious ilk can bring yourself to offer even the slightest bit of pity for the tens of thousands of Iraqi dead in the name of "collateral damage." And if anyone calls you on your hypocrisy and callousness, you shriek like a banshee and call them terrorist apologists. Try those bogus tactics on your mother, who would probably spank you and send you to bed without dinner.

The disgusting murder of two Americans makes you sh*t in your pants, but the sight of children decapitated by mortar bombs leaves you emotionless. How sick are YOU?

"As said before, you're attempting to compare a deliberate kidnapping and gruesome murder of an innocent civilian........to accidental civilian deaths which always will occur in war."

Try telling that to Iraqi mothers who wonder why US missiles are being launched into civilian neighborhoods killing their children. I'm sure that those kids were huddled in some corner frightened out of their minds before a bomb finally spared them of their misery. And given that the justification for this war (unlike WWII which you people love to compare it to) is arguably so weak, it makes a casual attitude to collateral deaths even more morally revolting.

"They didn't seem to tire of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians being raped, tortured, and murdered by the Hussein regime."

Well, neither did the Saddam's ass-kissing Republican administration under Reagan and Bush, so I guess another 12000+ deaths at the hands of US gunships is just icing on the cake, I guess.

What troubles me (and apparently the rest of the world beside the usual cadre of Bush apologists on here) is that there is not even the slightest shred of empathy, pity, solace for the people we've killed in droves. There is barely a mention of it in the American press. Its like no one seems to care in the US. Do you see why Iraqis and Arabs see a double standard especially when the ostensible reason for this war (WMDs) were never found? If, and when, another monstrous attack like the 9-11 attacks happened against us again, do you really expect the rest of the world to care?

Or are you just as blinded in your hatred of Arabs as fundamentalist Islamic thugs are in their hatred of the US?


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

So what 757300 is saying is:

Those Ay'rabs are damned uncivilized, we need to make them more like us, just like we did with the Native Americans.

Their different value system isn't necessarily wrong. If they want to accept our value system it has to be their choice, they may like living in the dark ages, it is hard for us to believe, but we aren't them.


User currently offlineN317AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

When it gets to be 100%, the next move will be easy.

User currently offlineVS340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

"Or are you just as blinded in your hatred of Arabs as fundamentalist Islamic thugs are in their hatred of the US?"

A double edged sword that few see(or are unwilling to even consider).

I applaud you on this post


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5399 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

They're still living in the Dark Ages and need to be forced, by any means necessary, into the 21st Century.

Ever give consideration that maybe, just maybe, this is where radical Islam stems from? There's no doubt in my mind that the majority of Muslims do indeed want to see the benefits of globalization, the technological revolution, and free trade. Radical Islamists, however, are waging a war on modernity in that they feel that being "forced, by any means necessary, into the 21st Century" will cause Muslims to abandon Islam in favor of complete secularism. Further, with Americanization often accompanying globalization, these radical Islamists feel that Arab culture is being destroyed and a McWorld installed in its place.

Yes, the Middle East does need to advance in line with the modern geopolitical paradigms, but hell, so does Africa. It's unfortunately the price they have to pay for having been the victims of European imperialism. Keep in mind that in the European Dark Ages, Arabia was a center of scientific and mathematical thought and innovation. While Europeans were still using medical miracles like bleeding to attempt to cure diseases, Arabs were inventing the scientific method. It is not that Arabs are uncivilized savages and we must take on the white man's burden to modernize them. Rather it's working to encourage positive political and social change and stamping out radical Islam - not Middle Eastern culture altogether.



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

Secondly, it may become necessary for them to suffer the same fate as Germany and Japan did in WWII.... Today neither country is going around creating the mayhem they did in the first half of the 20th century

True. And guess who is?
 

As for all those drawing a parallel with WWII, are you really sure you want to?

The only parallels that can be drawn between the two are (ignore for a moment who's the good guy and who's the bad guy):

1. WWII: Japan attacked America unprovoked.
    Iraq: America attacked Iraq unprovoked.

2. WWII: One of Germany's stated goals was to be the preeminent military force in the world.
    Iraq: One of America's stated goals was to be the preeminent military force in the world.

Now, let's apply the exact WWII you're using to justify one side's actions and denounce those of the other side.

Ergo, Iraq would be perfectly justified in launching a nuke strike on Chicago. If they had them, that is. Which they don't, as is plainly evident.

Something tells me this isn't what you had in mind.

[Edited 2004-09-25 10:35:52]

25 Post contains images GKirk : "Correction: the small percentage of extremists you are talking about hate the Western world/society, not only America." Frederic, unfortunatly it see
26 Post contains images QR332 : I was watching the debate that day, most people where pissed off that about 30,000 Iraqis are dead and didn't feel sympathy for those who deleivered s
27 SSTjumbo : Emm, they did interviews with Baghdad Bob, and with the American side, and with independant sources. 3 points of view, people beleived what they wante
28 Post contains images Solnabo : The same message, again, on this topic: Be afraid, be very afraid.........ex. "sleep with AK-47 under my pillow" Puhleezzee Micke/SE
29 QR332 : Really. Give me a few examples and I'll be quiet. Examples from where? I don't have a VCR recording Aljazeera 24/7, but I was watching that day, they
30 SSTjumbo : The same message, again, on this topic: Be afraid, be very afraid.........ex. "sleep with AK-47 under my pillow" Puhleezzee Hmm, I'd like to see you s
31 QR332 : You asked for the evidence, I gave it to you. They interviewed many people. both American and Arabic, and it was always two sides of the story. Now -
32 SSTjumbo : QR332, you can interview all the sides you can get your hands on, and you can also spin quotes to mean things they don't mean just as easily. Intervie
33 SSTjumbo : QR332, you can interview all the sides you can get your hands on, and you can also spin quotes to mean things they don't mean just as easily. Intervie
34 QR332 : Can you please explain what you mean by B.B. king? And its up to you if you wnat to beleive me SSTjumbo, but I am no liar and I really dont care about
35 Post contains images SSTjumbo : Baghdad Bob, and I'm beginning to think you're in serious need of a hankie . Oh well, guess this one's not going any further.
36 QR332 : Actually, im not in need of anything. This one will go further because Aljazeera never based their reports on Sahaf, they based them on their own repo
37 Post contains links Whitehatter : I'll probably take heat for this, but don't particularly care. http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage Al Jazeera gets a lot of unfair criticism from th
38 Spaceman : It just shows that if your brain is still partly functioning you know where not to go and stick your nose in some other people's business.
39 SSTjumbo : Thanks for the website. However, just like any network out there, it's pretty visible that they twist information, just like anyone else does in case
40 Whitehatter : SSTJumbo At least now you can post your debate points from the standpoint of having seen the website. My point is that the parrots here squawk their v
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