SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Los Angeles Dodgers slugger Shawn Green will sit out Saturday afternoon's game against the San Francisco Giants in observance of Yom Kippur.
The first baseman-outfielder said he will play Friday night when the Dodgers and Giants, battling for the NL West lead, play the opener of a three-game series in San Francisco.
I've heard some pretty interesting opinions on this topic. Most of the talking heads in sports are saying that he is being irresponsible as a proffessional athlete by sitting out this game. I would have to disagree, as Yom Kippur is the holiest day in the entire year for Jews, and on such a personal decision as this, I think he should recieve support. He ultimatly would be missing friday night's game as well, but he is staying to support the team.
Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1950 times:
That should be fine. It is his beliefs after all.
This reminds me of welcome week 2 years ago at my school. Normally, students move in over the weekend and start classes on Thursday. That year, Yom Kippur fell on Thursday. Since UCLA has a high Jewish population, classes were moved to start 2 days early in effect, depriving other students (especially freshmen) of the fun and social experience of coming to a new environment. It just seemed odd because no other holidays got any such recognition.
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Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11454 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1940 times:
I think he ought to sit out the game and observe whatever religious needs he is obliged to consider. I also think that if he did not specify this in his contract he ought to give back a prorated portion of his salary to the team in recognition that he is not willing to work when others are.
WellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
If he's doing this, he should have sat out Rosh Hashana, too. If he can play during one, he can play during the other. Did he sit out passover, too? Friday night games and saturday afternoon games? He's obviously not that religious. It's bad enough that he's a shadow of his former self. Get on the field.
Csavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1904 times:
He should sit out, and he needn't be docked pay.
YYZ717, do you dock the pay of employees in your company if they don't come to work on Yom Kippur, or for EId-al-Fitr or Good Friday for that matter? Seems an utterly mean thing to do. What if a Jewish owner did that to a Christian on Good Friday or Christmas?
Now if you want to charge them a vacation day, so be it.
Even though he isn't religious, I understand the idea. I'm not religious, I went to Montreal on vacation for Rosh Ha Shannah, but I won't work on Yom Kippur, largely because I promised my father I never would, but frankly, if I'm not religious but want to take off to show my Jewish heritage and I stay home eating bon-bons and watching Jerry Springer, it's my business.
I understand that a few years back Hakeem Olojuwan (sp) was criticized in the Houston sports press a few years back, when they intimated that his dawn to dusk fast for Ramadan made him weak and ineffective at play (Often he couldn't have a meal before game-time) You know what f**k the press and the fans. It's his religion. Hakeem got my respect then.
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Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1885 times:
If he's doing this, he should have sat out Rosh Hashana, too. If he can play during one, he can play during the other. Did he sit out passover, too? Friday night games and saturday afternoon games? He's obviously not that religious.
I have to say this is a very ignorant thing to say. He's not an orthodox jew, but still an observant one. Second, Yom Kippur is the holiest day of the year, for any Jew nothing is supposed to come before the observance of this holiday. At least he is showing dedication to both the team and his religion, and you and the media are still ripping on him and making assumptions like "he's obviously not that religious".
Ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13765 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
There is a growing issue of religious practice and it's conflicts with employment in the USA. Wal Mart, other business, as well as government agencies have had managers, other employees have conflicts of faith vs. work. Growing numbers of dedicated Christians do not want to work at all on Sunday or Jews working on Saturdays/Friday nights. In many ways, they are protected by civil rights laws, but still it may make you look uncooproative and affects your future employment or advancement.
The difficulty for Sean Green here is that his team, the Dodgers, are playing against their division rivals (SF Giants) for 1st place in their division or the 1st choice for the wild card spot in the playoffs. If they were playing a celler dweller, then probably he would have taken both the Friday Night and Saturday day game off.
His decision to at least take the Saturday off (a national FOX network TV game) shows a balance of his faith and the team needs. He has taken very few days offs as a player in the Majors, so for him to take a day off for a reasonable faith holyday is no problem for me, nor should it be for anyone else.
Aviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 965 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1814 times:
This is pretty sick actually, very ignorant board as Falcon84 said.
It's his religion (and mine) and if he doesn't want to play a game on Yom Kippur, he won't, he shouldn't anyway.
To all of you saying they should dock his pay, well, I wish you the same when you have a holiday to worship for whatever religion you are.
Most of his customers (ie, fans) are Christians or least non-practising Jews, and hence Yom Kippur is a non-event for them.
Who gives a rats a** about what religion his "customers" are. Just because there's a Christian majority in this nation, doesn't give them, the majority, the right to interfere with someone of another religion's faith.
LY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2292 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (11 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1796 times:
Really? So that would mean that if a non-Jewish patient of a patient doctor was admitted tonight, the doctor isn't obligated to go?
No, the meaning is that if a religious Jew must convert in order to save HIS OWN life he must not do so.
What you are basically saying is that one must be either an orthodox meticulously observing everything or he must be an atheist. That's quite an orthodox approach. Any one can feel freely to pick some elements of tradition for observation, and I don't mean Jews only. Yom Kippur has a special meaning even for the Jews who don't observe sh*t and eat pork with milk and bread on Passover .Yom Kippur also has some beautiful tradition that even I as an atheist enjoy. The whole country stops for 24 hours. Now that's a true "Day w/o cars"! Some tolerance would be nice dude. Not everything in this world is about money.
There's no conflict. Saving life is first priority (with the mentioned exceptions). The list of prohibited things to do is rather long, but it's origin is biblical and counts 35 different types of work. The common factor of all is the ban on "creating" stuff. I.e. you can move a piano but you can't turn on a light.