Scotty From UK - Scotland, joined Dec 1999, 1875 posts, RR: 3 Posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1659 times:
..... Bush Junior. From a European perspective, he makes our politicians look like switched on geniuses. Is George Senior REALLY his Dad? How could he produce such a jerk?
This guy makes William Hague look like an intellectual. Even makes George Robertson look like a statesman!!What are his policies? Does he know? Why does he look like he's just put the bedroom light on? Does he know where the rest of the world is beyond Texas? Do you have to be as dumb as Ronald Reagan to be a Republican President?
So what do you all think? Especially the plane-pickers in the US of A
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 59 Reply 1, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1345 times:
I must say, I agree with you, Scotty. I watched is speech last night, and after 45 minutes, I had to turn it off. He did not say one thing that actually meant anything. I still don't even know what he intends to do if he actually did get voted in. That said, I actually am more concerned about Congress. Does anyone know how many seats are up this year? Is is possible the Democrats can finally take control back? I don't think it really matters which moron is in office, neither one seems to know what the hell is going on.
DTWA320 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 104 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1333 times:
I don't want to see 4-8 more years of a democrat in office. Ever since Clinton (even before ) was elected there has been nothing but scandal. He has made a joke out of America. I do agree that it doesn't really matter who is in office, but I do want someone who will not bring disgrace to my country.
Lax2000 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 541 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1322 times:
Well said Scotty, I think Clinton is the best president since Kennedy.
Hey, and they both had an eye for the ladies, although Kennedy had better taste.
If Kennedy was President now he wouldn't last a month without scandle scrounged up by the opposite party. We'll see how long Bush lasts if he wins.
In this age of "caught on tape " I give him 6 months before he's caught snorting coke with his frat boy buddies off some strippers arse.
FlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
Actually I think both candidates are terrible. My family is mostly republican but we'll probably go for Gore, Bush is slimy, fake, and makes me sick. I didn't always think this about him, not till I saw his interview on 20/20. I'd like to see Jesse Ventura run, sure he's a wrestler, but he's not a phony. I really liked that McCain guy, but he's out. I fear the Bush win because he is a religous (unless he is faking it) man and may give religous students more rights at school. I don't think a child should be able to bring a Bible to school or be able to pray before a test. That makes other kids like myself feel uncomfortable. School is for learning, not praying, a kid shouldn't pray before a test, he should study before a test. A kid shouldn't read the Bible at school, he read a math book at school. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind people who are religous, but keep it out of public school. This is why I fear Bush.
Sometimes I go about in pity for myself and all the while a great wind carries me across the sky.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 50 Reply 5, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1323 times:
As the Clinton administration winds down, I would like to offer the following thanks to this "greatest" president this country has ever seen.
This was shared with me via an e-mail and is not all my work. Some of it is taken from that e-mail, but I also interjected some of my own thoughts as well.
1. Thank you for allowing every non white male on the planet to remind me about how evil and intolerant I am.
2. Thank you for introducing me to gennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinsky, Linda Trippe, and Juanita Broaddrick-whom says you raped her.
3. Thank you for teaching our kindergarten and first grade kids about oral sex. The cigar trick was pretty cool. 5 year olds now know more about sex than I did when I was a senior in high school. So I thank you for sparing all of todays new parents the embarrasment of having to have that talk.
4. Thank you for showing us that sexual harrassment on the job is ok-as long as it's in the White House. All you have to know is what the meaning of "is" is. It is enlightening to know that certain sexual acts are not sex, and that one person may have sex while the other one involved does NOT have sex.
5. Thank you for reintroducing the concept of impeachment to a new generation and demonstrating that the asanine plot of the movie "Wag the dog" is indeed plausible.
6. Thank you for making Jimmy Carter look competent, Gerald Ford dignified, Richard Nixon look honest, and JFK moral.
7. Thank you for the 72 House and Senate witnesses who've pleaded the 5th and 17 witnesses who've skipped the country to avoid testifying about Democratic fund raising.
8. Thank you for remembering the families of those who once served you and died so suddenly and mysteriously including Vince Foster, Jerry Parks, Ron Brown, Les Aspin, Jim McDougal and about 45 others.
9. Thank you for the 19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonments from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32 convictions (so far) in the other Clinton scandals.
10. Thank you for reducing our military by half. Thank you for sharing all of our top secret defense systems with our Chinese friends.
11. Thank you for all those wonderful and amazing trips around the globe carefully disguised as "necessary" and "for the people". My how proud you must be to have surpassed every other president with the size and frequency of these entourage's.
12. Thank you for showing me how to blame someone else for my infidelity and and lack of ethics by wagging your finger and telling me it's none of my business.
13. Thank you for demonstrating conclusively that selective memory is indeed possible, and works to your benefit.
14. Thank you for outlawing God. Who cares if the concept of a family is an outdated concept? So what if road rage, air rage, and general rudeness are on the rise? So what if my kid needs to wear a bullet proof vest to first grade? Who cares if my 15 year old cousin gets pregnant whil tripping on Ecstasy and later dies while attempting to get an abortion? As long as the economy is good, it is ok to look the other way.
15. I will be looking forward to January of 2001.
The day you leave office, and George W. Bush is sworn in as our next President for the first of 2 terms, that will forever be a day of National celebration.
Don't let the door slam you on the ass on your way out Mr. Clinton.
Purdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1316 times:
Why on earth should a student not be allowed to read the book of his choice at school, FlyVirgin744? Why, also, should a person not be allowed to pray privately? By doing these things, they are in no way forcing you to participate - they are simply doing their own thing! It's one thing to forbid a prayer in front of a group, such as at a graduation ceremony, but another one all together to say that a student can't practice his own religion privately. Why does it make you uncomfortable to see somebody else reading a book if they are not simultaneously preaching to you? Why does it make you uncomfortable to see somebody pray if they are not making you participate in the prayer? The separation of charch and state prevents the state from advancing religion; it doesn't prevent religion from being practiced in public. If the religious participants are not coercing anybody to participate unwillingly, then they are doing nothing wrong. Saying that they should not be allowed to do their thing because you're not religious is like saying that they should not be allowed to have a french club because not all students speak french.
Now that I got that vented, I will go on as the first here to say that I hope "Dubya" does win. For those who still have no idea what he supports and what his policies are, you can look at www.bush2000.com to find out. While he is indeed no John McCain, he is the best man running for the job. For anyone he didn't hear any policy in his speech, here are some key excerpts. Perhaps reading will get across what listening did not...
On Social Security: "...For younger workers, we will give you the option -- your choice -- to put a part of your payroll taxes into sound, responsible investments..." Bush support giving Americans the opportunity to invest their SS taxes, acheiving the historically higher returns that the stock market has provided
On Education: "Too many American children are segregated into schools without standards, shuffled from grade-to-grade because of their age, regardless of their knowledge. This is discrimination, pure and simple -- the soft bigotry of low expectations." Bush supports an end to social promotion. Students should not move into the next grade until they have mastered the lessons of their current grade level. You can't expect students to pick up the new knowledge that they are supposed to get if they don't have the assumed knowledge base from previous years of schooling.
On Taxes: "The surplus is not the government's money. The surplus is the people's money...we will abolish the death tax...we will reduce tax rates for everyone, in every bracket...we will lower the bottom rate from 15 percent to 10 percent and double the child tax credit." Bush will use some of the surplus to pay down debt etc., but he supports the common sense fact that a surplus means that the government over-taxed. A surplus is the people's money, and by giving it back, the economy will be stimulated. More people will have more money to spend.
On International Military Intervention: "Now is the time, not to defend outdated treaties, but to defend the American people." Under Bush, US troops will not be sent out to police the world; rather, they will be deployed in situations in which the US has a genuine interest. Further, US troops will never be put under UN control - they will participate in UN actions only when the US maintains control of our people.
On His Tenure As Texas Governor: "So we improved our schools, dramatically, for children of every accent, of every background. We moved people from welfare to work. We strengthened our juvenile justice laws. Our budgets have been balanced, with surpluses, and we cut taxes not only once, but twice. We accomplished a lot." Bush has proven that he can succesfully implement the reforms he is promising, now he's looking to do it on a national level.
On Bipartisanship: "I don't deserve all the credit, and don't attempt to take it. I worked with Republicans and Democrats to get things done. A bittersweet part of tonight is that someone is missing, the late Lt. Governor of Texas Bob Bullock. Bob was a Democrat...He worked by my side, endorsed my re-election..." Bush, like McCain, says and does what he believes in, rather than what the party prescribes. He has proven that he can work WITH members of both parties to get done what needs to be done.
On Health Insurance: "We will give low-income Americans tax credits to buy the private health insurance they need and deserve." Bush supports helping people help themselves - by providing tax credits, many more people will be able to afford medical insurance.
On Charity: "My administration will give taxpayers new incentives to donate to charity, encourage after-school programs that build character, and support mentoring groups that shape and save young lives...We must tell them, with clarity and confidence, that drugs and alcohol can destroy you, and bigotry disfigures the heart." By reaching out to people when they are young, we can hope to steer people the right way - to show children that they can live a life that is better than gangs, crimes, and violence. Show a child that he is worth something, and that child will believe it.
On (Partial Birth) Abortion: "...when Congress sends me a bill against partial-birth abortion, I will sign it into law." Bush is willing to take a stand against the deplorable act of the partial birth abortion.
On Ideals: "I believe great decisions are made with care, made with conviction, not made with polls. I do not need to take your pulse before I know my own mind. I do not reinvent myself at every turn... When I act, you will know my reasons ...When I speak, you will know my heart." Bush will do what he believes is right, and won't flip-flop based on what is poular at the time. As has so often been said, what is right is not always popular; what is popular is not always right.
All of these quotes are taken from his nomination acceptance speech (8/3/2000), as quoted on the bush2000 website.
While I do support Bush for president, I don't have anything against Gore (for the most part). I believe that both men want the same thing - to make the United States of America the best nation that it can be. I also believe, however, that Bush's route toward the best America possible is a better, more effective route than Gore's.
Hamlet - I agree that Congress is at least as important as the presidency; after all, the president can't sign bills into law if congress doesn't pass them first. I'm sure that enough seats are up for election in the Senate for the dems to regain control (33-34 are available every 2 years), and of course the whole House is up for re-election. However, we can hope that they are not successful, as the best situation we could hope for is a Republican congress to support Bush.
N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1292 times:
I'm with Matt D - as usual - on this one too. Bush is WAY better than any 'liberal' democrat. As some have already said, this will get those ridiculous left-wingers out of an office which should be held only by Right-of-center politicians.
It makes me cringe to imagine how people can be 'liberal.' Urgh.
FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES
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I can tell you that Georgia will certainly be voting Bush. Let's hear it for the greatest state in the Union.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7719 posts, RR: 17 Reply 10, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1285 times:
You know I thought the first time I would be able to vote in my country's Presidential election it would be exciting and empowering. I was wrong. My choices are dumb and dumber, and it is not funny.
On the right we have George "Dubya" Bush. Whose hazy cloudy gaze will lull the voters into a happy euphoric mindset.
On the left we have Al "I am not Clinton" Gore. Who doesn't have a prayer let alone a platform to stand on.
What really angers me as a voter is that the Presidential election has been set since February after the first few primaries. This system does not seem to work. I would have loved John McCain to be one of the candidates. So now we have to sit through a few more months of these two genuises spouting back and forth the same exact crap at each other. and all we have to look foreward to is four more years of the same crap.
So, as a responsible, educated citizen and voter I must do some sort of protest. I will be voting for Ralph Nader, at least he has a social conscious. Hopefully the local elections will prove to be more meaningful.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
Purdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1279 times:
I'm as open minded as the next guy, so when DesertJets brought up Nader, a candidate I have never considered, I decided to take a look at his website. After looking through his section on issues, I don't know how anyone can vote for him. Not all people are real clear with proposed actions during speeches, but at least Bush makes his positions and proposals clear on his website. There was a lot of stuff on his page I don't agree with to begin with (why, for example, is it a problem that less than 10% of Americans are unionized??), but he didn't even tell what he would do to fix the problems that he has identified in any but a very few instances. But hey, if throwing your vote away in protest makes you feel better, have at it... I don't fear that he will win, so I won't try to change your mind.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2687 posts, RR: 59 Reply 16, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1222 times:
I was reffering to J_hallgren's post. When I see such narrow views, I wonder how this country has survived for so long. Don't get me wrong, I am quite proud of the diversity and freedom of ideas that we have here, and it is for this reason that such close-mindedness truly astonishes me. For someone to think a "good Democrat" is one who "dies", I feel quite proud that I am a living, voting Democrat.
I must say, I probably would have voted for McCain, I think he would have made the best President, even if I didn't agree with some of this views. What would have made that even more special is the fact I swore I would never vote Republican after they proved witch hunts were still possible. However, since they (Republicans) decided to nominate Bush Jr., someone who I note only disagree with, but feel would make a terrible president anyway, I have no choice but to vote for Gore. But rest assured, J_hallgren, I will be voting.
P.S. - Thanks for turning me to Bush's website. It was very informative. Now I have honest reasons not to like him.
Purdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1220 times:
Ahh - I see your point... I must have skipped over J_hallgren's post! I agree that McCain would have been the ideal man for the job, and I supported him in the primaries. I'm glad you found Bush's website to be informative - I wish I could say the same about Gore's, which I finally went and looked at. Nowhere does he offer clear explanations of his positions. Personally, I think that's important information to have before voting for someone.
PS - After reading the clips from his acceptance speech, do you see the things that he would do if elected? I'm not saying you have to agree with them, of course, I just want to see if you see they were there.
N766AS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1205 times:
Ditto-heads from me too.... That just made me think about something- I listen to talkradio stations both of the left- and right-of center. When I listen to rightie hosts like Limbaugh and Medved, I hear all kinds of truly bad things about the Clinton/Gore administration and Al Gore's campaign. BUT when I listen to lefties on the radio, the only thing they can attack the right and Bush for is
1.) They have no fasion sense (what does this have to do with executing the Office of the President of the United States of America?)
2.) They cannot dance (same question)
Those are the only thing I have heard the left attack the right and Bush for.... I think its pathetic. If I was a leftie, I would vote for Bush just because his opponent is INCOMPETENT.
N863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1204 times:
Listen all you European left-wingers;
This is our country; America is different from Europe; Europe is primarily socialist, except the UK thank god, and the US is primarily right-of-center. Bush is an excellent candidate, and to Scotty, William Hague is a hell of a lot more intelligent than Tony Blair or Gordon Brown; (my goodness! An American who knows something about a foreign land... you make it sound like a rarity.)
Socialism is bad, and in this Country, that's the official line. If all you Lefties in Europe don't like our politics (and for what it's worth I don't like your politics either, but I don't go around interfering with it) then stay out and in your own Country.
George Bush is an excellent candidate and Ronald Reagan was one of the best presidents we have seen - along with George Bush Snr. and some others. So get your noses out of our politics when the average American doesn't interfere with yours.
FLY DELTA JETS or US AIRWAYS as they were the official airline of the Republican National Convention, and sail UNITED STATES LINES
Lax2000 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 541 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1199 times:
The only reason I am a little excited about Bush winning is because usually music gets a little better during a republican presideny, because they usually end up pissing all the young people off and it comes out in their music and film.
It will be sort of nice to have something to rebel against besides Dawsons Creek or my parents.
Plus I can start wearing my "Lick Bush" t-shirt again.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7719 posts, RR: 17 Reply 24, posted (13 years 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1197 times:
The first time I get to vote in a Presidential election and my choice are Bush-Chenney and Gore-Lieberman. How depressing is that? Neither party has a message except for the same crap that they spew at each other. It is frustrating for me as an intelligent educated voter to pick one of these two guys to be the leader of the US. What happened to the vision, to the excitement, to their being a point of an election anymore???! There are so many REAL issues out there that need attention that neither party nor the media in its infinite brillance is covering. And the now hundred million plus dollars being spent on this election could have actually gone to something good and meaningful. I as a voter want someone with a message for meaningful change for a better tomorrow (yes as cheesy as it is). But there is nothing there. At this point the only reason to vote is b/c there are important local issues on the ballot.
My other comment. What is wrong with socialism??? Lets not go so far as to call our European neighbors "pinkos" here, it isn't 1957 and they really are not hard line lefties.
Again, vote for Nader in 2000. (Oh, that is also an inside joke among me and some of my friends.) At least he has a message.
Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
25 Ilyushin96M: Anyone who says Clinton has been a lousy president should take a good look at our booming economy, THEN try to justify that statement. Sure, Clinton's
26 Peter: I would give credit for the booming economy to Congress. Congress really has the power, and they should be thanked for economy. Congress can pass laws
27 Travelin man: So far, from reading all of these posts, the only reasons people have stated for NOT voting for Al Gore is: - He's boring - They hate Clinton Guess wh
28 NWA Man: First off... Texairport, I agree with you. JFK didn't really have a legacy. What's JFK now? An airport. Partial birth abortion... The only reason Clin
29 Sn330: I personally would rather see John McCain or Colin Powell in the White House rather than Al "the snore/the bore" Gore or George W. "I am just running
30 Blink182: "gee... come on, you got 2 guyd who will put you to sleep but with one guy-you will wake up!"--jay leno he is right, i would rather have MCcain be in
31 NWA Man: I agree 100%, Blink182 and Sn330...either of those honorable men would be an excellent choice. I guess the Republicans couldn't stretch their "inclusi
32 Cba: I have read all of the posts concerning this issue, and I have this to say. QUIT ACTING LIKE BUSH WILL RESTORE MORALS TO THE WHITEHOUSE! You republica
33 Hole_Courtney: I read an interesting article on www.issues2000.com Here is a quote about drug use by Al Gore: "I did smoke marijuana, just like all teenagers do." Do
34 Cba: I don't care if Bush and Gore did drugs, I can't stand how he claims he will bring integrity back to the whitehouse, and he acts like he never did dru
35 Cwapilot: Here is my attempt, as somebody who actually WORKS in the realm of politics, and in the United States at that, to respond to the crap that I have been
36 N863DA: AMEN CWAPILOT!!!! Finally someone with sense. FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES N 8 6 3 D A
37 Peter: I agree completely Cwapilot . That is one of the best things I've read in a while.
38 TurboTristar: I would have to vote for Al Gore if I could vote! George W. Bush has these sneaky looking eyes and seems to be hiding something from us. Just my opin
39 NWA Man: Cocaine and marijuana are in two different leagues...
40 Cwapilot: Cocaine and Marijuana-- George W. Bush has not done cocaine. Why didn't he just answer the question then, you ask? Pure and simple-to keep this campau
41 N766AS: This is Ilyushin96M's post with my comments added after ">". Anyone who says Clinton has been a lousy president should take a good look at our booming
42 N766AS: Why dont we have their palms read and base our votes on that... That is pitiful that the reason that you wouldnt vote for his is the look in his eyes.
43 Cwapilot: America Violent/Europe and everywhere else Peaceful-- I don't even have to go on and on about what a load this is! First off, in the states where conc