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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Posted (9 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 915 times:

If the measure before the House, introduced by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, to changed the amenment of the US Constitution that requires the President be a natural born citizen is passed and ultimately becomes law... which clears the way for Rohrabacher's friend Gov. Swartzenegger to run for president (which is clear as day the goal of this act).. then I must agree with Bill Maher, amend the Constitution so that Bill Clinton can take the reigns once more and as long as he wants...

The Guvenator vs The Sperminator! A true brain vs brawl match up... the dead would rise to vote in that electoral match-up.


BN747


"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 901 times:

I can't say I agree with that.

You know if they take away the limit on the amount of terms a president can face, You know who could (and probably would) abuse it.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 901 times:

I brought this up a few weeks ago.

It won't happen, but if it did I would give my vote to the other non-native born governor.

Michigans Jennifer Granholm!


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 889 times:

You know if they take away the limit on the amount of terms a president can face, You know who could (and probably would) abuse it.


Simple just require each candidate to take a monitored and written academic exam... wow.. that would sink Swartzenegger right off the bat... and ensure Dubya reign is limited to the 4 years he already... acquired.

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 877 times:

You know if they take away the limit on the amount of terms a president can face, You know who could (and probably would) abuse it.

How can you abuse it when it is people that elect you. If you arent wanted to serve more then 1 serving then you won't.






User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 853 times:

Remember, term limits for the president were put in place by the 22nd amendment.

I feel term limits take away our freedom to choose who we want for president. I'm being forced to abandon someone I'm happy with, after 8 years, for someone I don't know. Term limits restrict our right to choose as legislated by the several state legislatures (remember, The US Constitution does not guarantee our right to vote for president).

As to the meat of the question; I've had a change of heart here in the last couple of weeks. Why shouldn't I, or any other naturalized citizen, be allowed to attain the highest office in the land. I've been a citizen of the US for 29 years. I suspect the clause was placed in The Constitution in order to prevent the nobility of Europe from attempting to enter high US politics.

And DLKAPA, I expected better than that from you. The people will speak via the vote if they want the president gone.



User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 855 times:

If I could amend the US Constitution one more time it would be this; that Constitutional amendments do not take effect until one hundred years after being ratified.

That should pretty well take the personal agendas out of the loop. If it is a good idea, it'll keep.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 846 times:

The 22nd Amendment was passed by a GOP-controlled Congress, since the GOP couldn't handle losing 4 times to FDR. There was a half-hearted attempt by the GOP in the 80's to repeal that and let Reagan run a third time. I wouldn't be surprised if it's proposed again within the next 4 years.

It shouldn't have been put into effect in the first place.


User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 828 times:

I'm thinking an amendment for a single six-year term with no re-election possibilities might be better. A president spends about the second half of the first term campaigning and designing avenues to get re-upped rather than working the job. Would probably help keep other contestants on their job a bit longer, too. Wonder how much time Kerry has spent being a senator lately? Irrespective of your political views (I know some of you will say a Bush six-year term would be disasterous while others will say the longer you can keep Kerry out of Washington, the better), I think a six-year term would be more functional.

BTW, I don't really expect to see any ammendments pertaining to elections to be passed, including modifying the electoral college issue. Regards....Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 828 times:
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I feel that an amendment allowing naturalized citizens to run for president is a good idea. Obviously there need to be some rules, such as the individual needs to have lived here for at least twenty-five years. I cant ever see Arnold being president, I'm sure that the liberal media will pull some stuff out of their ass about him being in the Aryan Nation or some other crap.

As for four more years of Clinton, he made the presidency a joke when he chose to get a b.j. from a fat chick. Term limits have their pros and cons, but I pretty much agree with Air2gxs.



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User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5665 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 821 times:

I'm sure that the liberal media will pull some stuff out of their ass about him being in the Aryan Nation or some other crap.

Or even some stuff by KKK...I mean NRA, claiming that he does not in love guns enough thus unfit for command.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 809 times:

As for four more years of Clinton, he made the presidency a joke when he chose to get a b.j. from a fat chick.

His predecessor has made it a bigger joke, by defiling our reputation around the world; in starting a war that should not have been fought; in approving outsourcing of jobs. He's the bigger joke, in my view.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 809 times:

Cue dialog from Demolition Man (Sandra Bullock and Sylvester Stallone):

LeninaHuxley : I have, in fact, perused some newsreels in the Schwarzenegger Library.

JohnSpartan : Hold it. The Schwarzenegger Library?

LeninaHuxley : Yes. The Schwarzenegger Presidential Library. Wasn't he an actor when you...

JohnSpartan : But how? He was President?

LeninaHuxley : Yes! Even though he wasn't born in this country, his popularity at the time caused the 61st Amendment which states...

JohnSpartan : I don' wanna know. President.


Prophesy! Pure prophesy!  Nuts


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 806 times:

"Simple just require each candidate to take a monitored and written academic exam."

We used to do that for voters. I would say bring it back, but the democrats would never win anything again if you had to have a certain IQ to vote.

The natural born citizen law is outdated and probably should go, I think a term limit is a wise thing but we could probably live without it, the entire House and Senate get by without it.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 800 times:

I would say bring it back, but the democrats would never win anything again if you had to have a certain IQ to vote.

You don't need an IQ to run, you don't need one to vote. Freedom shouldn't be reserved for those who are educated only. That isn't freedom-what you propose it elitism at it's worst.


User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months ago) and read 771 times:

This comes up from time to time every time there is a popular foreign-born politician. Other attempts have failed and I don't see this one succeeding either.

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 744 times:

"You don't need an IQ to run, you don't need one to vote."

Apparently you don't need basic reading comprehension skills to post on this board either because that was not my point.. Nimrod.

Even though some would argue the founding fathers structured the election system, like the electoral college, because they knew the average American was or someday would be too stupid to pick their own leader and there needed to be some way of voiding the votes of the tragically stupid.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13507 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 738 times:
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As for four more years of Clinton, he made the presidency a joke when he chose to get a b.j. from a fat chick.

His predecessor has made it a bigger joke, by defiling our reputation around the world; in starting a war that should not have been fought; in approving outsourcing of jobs. He's the bigger joke, in my view.


If you meant George W. Bush, then you meant Clinton's successor. His predecessor was George H.W. Bush, so I doubt you meant him - unless you found Bush '41's U.N.-blessed Gulf War to be a war that shouldn't have been fought, too.



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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 734 times:

Finally Fidel Castro will be able to run for el presidente of the US.

After beating out all of our presidents since before the cold war I think he has a chance  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

The funny thing is all the neo cons would probably vote for him because of his domestic priorities, ability to use military control over its people, "constitutional" amendments and his stance on prostitution, abortion and gay marriage! Plus he would probably kill all those pesky liberals at PBS who keep questioning the Republicans foreing policy and making Bush look bad Dan Rather would be sittin on death row. Arnold would be on the liberal side of a Republican primary...








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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 704 times:

I don't think the Constitution should be altered to accommodate this.

Furthermore, I am a huge advocate of term limits, as being a career politician was not intended by the Founding Fathers. Moreover, I think a modern spin on it should be that if you decide to run for President and are a current office holder, you ought to relinquish your seat.



User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 697 times:

Slider: Furthermore, I am a huge advocate of term limits, as being a career politician was not intended by the Founding Fathers.

Are incompetent rich guys who just happen to get pushed on stage for a while really that much better? I don´t think so.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 690 times:

Klaus,
Perhaps you misunderstood my point...I'd like to see term limits so that the incompetent rich guys WILL get pushed OFF the stage, allowing real citizens the ability to take back their government. It's become a career for them, one that enriches their pockets at the expense of others.

And McCain-Feingold only set true reform back, instead of improving it.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 671 times:

... Plus he would probably kill all those pesky liberals at PBS who keep questioning the Republicans foreing policy and making Bush look bad Dan Rather would be sittin on death row. Arnold would be on the liberal side of a Republican primary...


Nu Air... that was freakin' hilarious!


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 668 times:

McCain and Feingold are the only ones even attempting to set campaign financing limits. The problem they had is that everytime they introduced a new bill it got shot down by congress so they pretty much had to give up and propose a half ass billed, which while not what they originally wanted did put in some limitations.

But don't put the blame on the only two senators who are actually trying to address the issue! Plus they continue to fight for reform which I dont see anyone else doing.

Feingold is really the average middle class American and he still lives in his same house in Middleton, WI. I knew his daughter growing up and her and her family are the same typical American family they have always been. Feingold is still the "poorest" senator and it is clear by his voting history that he has never represented big business and could care less about corporate donnors to his campaign (both of my parents are currently volunteering on his re-election campaign).

He is also the only senator who read the late night revised Patriot Act which differed greatly from the copy presented to the Senate a few days before the voting and was the only one to vote against it because it was in clear violation of the constitution, which I and the other voters of Wisconsin elected him to uphold.

But going back to the original topic I think anyone who is a citizen of this country and who pays taxes to support our government should have the right to run for its highest office.




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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4375 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 657 times:

I feel that the natural born citizen law is not consistent with so called American opportunity or ideals. Let the voter decide, not the birthplace.

As for the term limit, you have to remember that this was an ideal in place since the precedent was set by George Washington as a lasting effect of the British Empire- the fear of giving a single person too much power. This precedent has been widely accepted through history, with the exception being FDR during wartime, which is an acceptable reason in my opinion. I have to say that I agree with the two term limit.

Also, perhaps the weakest part of our executive political system is the 2 term system where so much of a first term is indeed spent on campaigning for a second. I would strongly support a single 6 year term or similar concept.



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25 Post contains images Klaus : Slider: Klaus, Perhaps you misunderstood my point... Not really... I just couldn´t hold my sarcasm before it sunk its teeth into your leg... It´s ju
26 Redngold : Remember that any constitutional amendment has to be passed by 3/4 of the states' legislatures before it can become law. That is the battleground. Tha
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