Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1515 times:
Well, it looks really retro! What do you all think of the new Pony Car?
Ford begins making '05 Mustang, which hits showrooms next month
Ford Motor Co. launched its all-new 2005 Mustang on Monday, the fifth generation of the iconic sports car the company sorely needs to help lift sluggish U.S. sales.
The new car, built at the AutoAlliance International plant in Flat Rock that Ford co-owns with Mazda Motor Corp., is scheduled to reach showrooms next month. The base price for a V6 version will be $19,410. The GT version with a V8 engine will start at $24,995.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1390 times:
As an LS1 owner, I've gotta say the Mustang is just looking like a broken record...alot like Rsmith from the other threads You pay for alot, but don't get much horsepower in return. A stock V8 should be running MID 13's, if not lower. When the *proposed* 2007 Camaro comes out (hopefully with the C6 Corvette LS2 engine ), it'll make these pussies go running to their mommies.
Anyone notice how nicer 4th generation Camaros are fewer on the street now that they've been out of production since 2002, but there's more aftermarket parts available, and generally more satisfaction among owners? I speak as one. Next time a Mustang owner sees me and feels lucky, I'll welcome his bet at the red light.
Flight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1327 times:
Camaro has been out of production because of shortsighted leaders at GM
Sales during the last year of production were so poor, it was not a stupid move to axe the models. I would be hard pressed to see it reintroduced. Its a shame GM has no real competor in this market segment, figuring the GTO was mostly hot air on behalf of GM marketing.
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
Sales during the last year of production were so poor, it was not a stupid move to axe the models.
Yeah but remember, sales were low because of some idiots @ GM.
Think about it, by 2002, the Camaro being produced was basically the same Camaro produced in 1993, only with different looking headlights and an LS1 instead of an LT1. Soon, people got tired of it and wanted something really new, and GM kept their damn eyes shut to the problem for years, years, and more years until it was too late for the program. They could've saved it, but they waited. They've kept to their sense with the Corvette line, and kept it going, and hopefully they'll bring the Camaro back in 2007.
As a loyal GM fan, I'll admit GM's been making some very STUPID decisions lately........
A. Dropping the Camaro/Firebird line instead of redoing them to survive
B. Dropping the S10 truck line instead of redoing them. They've replaced the S10 with the stupid-looking Colorado.......where the most powerful engine available is an I5 -- which produces much less torque than it's predecessor.....the 4.3L V6, without even gaining much mileage or anything........ridiculous, they could've done a LOT better.
C. Changing the front end of the full-size trucks
I think a vast number of GM Divisions need to have their management team fired because of shit like this.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40298 posts, RR: 73
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1298 times:
This car is a beauty!
You can always count on the World's best automaufacture (Ford) to turn out a fine product.
The Thunderbird/LS platform is outstanding.
The only flaw with this car is that as Bruno mentioned above is that it should have the 5.4 engine (same block as 4.6).
It's a shame that it's only in the SUVs.
General Motors isn't even a car company. They are a huge beuracracy that occasionally turn out a fine automobile in small numbers with zero marketing.
The last time I ever saw any advertisment for any F-boby (Camero/Firebird Trans Am) was when Knight Rider first came on air (1982-1983).
The dip$h!ts running GM focused there efforts on Catera, Venture, Avalanche and Escalade.
You really have to wonder about a company that axes some the best cars ever made in favor of disposable cars.
Shame on GM for discontinuing the Trans Am, Camero, Fleetwood Brougham, Roadmaster, Caprice Classic and Impala SS.
Thank God for Ford Mercury Lincoln.
A family of fine cars!
Greg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1273 times:
Actually the Thunderbird/LS platfom is flawed. The Thunderbird is being retired (not retooled) next year due to slow sales. The LS came in 7th out of 7 in the Car and Driver performance challenge (check it out--in last years editions).
The Lincoln LS will move to the the Mazda 6 plaform for 2007.
The Mustang was put on the same platform to reduce tooling cost---not because it was a 'stellar' platform to build the car.
It was a design compromise from Day 1---too heavy, not enough power, an inherently a poor handle without heavily modified suspension,
But hey...it's cheap to manufacturer...and to sell. It will be a runaway success. And the above, aside, that's not such a bad thing!
Cptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1268 times:
Hey, 'Fly...how ya doin? Gotta agree w/ some of your GM observations, and, BTW, NWA742 is to all of his points 100% correct (I know, I was there). Even worse (regarding the last generation Camaro/Firebird), that wasn't even a 'new' car. We had to weld-up cracked floorpan tooling, add reinfs to the body-in-white, and do a lot of other carry-over patches to get that car on the road. The problem wasn't design or engineering staffs (you should see photos of some of the truely neat shit we had in the pipeline), but was the result of myopic bean-counters trying to 'save' the company a bundle of cash, and no upper management cajones. Problem is, they saved the model line(s) right out of the market. Remember, this is part of the team that let the country's oldest nameplate die after having the best selling car in the USA a few years earlier.
Ref the new Mustang, the more I see them on the streets here in Dearborn, the more I like them. I will stand by an earlier opinion, though: the car will sell like hotcakes the first model year, then slowly taper off (much like the PT Cruiser craze). It's a crime that all this money was put into the platform w/out an IRS, and I question the performance capabilities of the GT option, too. We'll have to wait and see. Regards...Jack
Tristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1266 times:
I was somewhat surprised at the "look" of the car. Retro, yes, but why base the look on the 67-68 'Stang? I used to live in a house in college with several Mustang owners(Two 64 and a half coupe's and ragtop, '66 coupe and '67 coupe), and they subscribed to "Mustang Magazine" or something like that, and every interview about styling treated the 67 and 68 as "bastard step children"
If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
Skyway1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1247 times:
I actually agree with flight152 here just a bit about the GTO. GM can't give them away at this point....I went to the local Pontiac dealer knowing this problem and all they wanted to peddle were Grand Am GT's. I hear they still have a 60 day supply of GTO's left...something like 6,000+ cars. It's funny.....I drove by the same dealer this morning and they have the exact same GTO's and Grand Am's sitting on the lot. I'm waiting to see how desparate they will get to dump the goats...see what kind of deal I can get. If they're still willing only to deal s**t....I'll wait for the 2005 GTO's with the new LS2 motor.