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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

Well, it looks really retro! What do you all think of the new Pony Car?

Ford begins making '05 Mustang, which hits showrooms next month

Ford Motor Co. launched its all-new 2005 Mustang on Monday, the fifth generation of the iconic sports car the company sorely needs to help lift sluggish U.S. sales.

The new car, built at the AutoAlliance International plant in Flat Rock that Ford co-owns with Mazda Motor Corp., is scheduled to reach showrooms next month. The base price for a V6 version will be $19,410. The GT version with a V8 engine will start at $24,995.

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews/pm488_20040927.htm

Link to pics:
http://www.fordvehicles.com/2005mustang/home.asp

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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

Just another wannabe sports car representing the pinnacle of automobile ownership throughout middle America. Though I suppose it's not as horrendous as the last few models.

User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

MotorTrend just tested the new Mustang GT for the quarter mile:

13.8@98mph

LOL - welcome to LT1 territory new 2005 Mustang GT.  Laugh out loud

They still can't get 'em to take down the LS1 F-bodies.



-NWA742


User currently offlineDeskPilot From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

And a new Solid Rear Axle (live axle). What sophistication !

[Edited 2004-09-28 00:20:19]


By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1205 times:

It's built on a Lincoln LS platform.....hardly 'all new'
Nice concept.....flawed execution.
But will sell extremely well....so purists can disagree....but capitalists cannot!


User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

WellHung

representing the pinnacle of automobile ownership throughout middle America.

This coming from a guy who owns a Chevy Avalanche.  Yeah sure

I live in New York City and I'd take this Mustang in a second if I had an extra $25K to spare.



I like new Mustang. Ford needs to drop in the 5.4 V8.

[Edited 2004-09-28 00:16:36]


I support the women’s movement up and down!
User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Fords are like Tampons, every Pussy has one.

User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

....and what do you have jutes85?


I support the women’s movement up and down!
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Sounds like Jutes85 has a phallic issue.............


"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

Looks sweet! Power isnt bad but like Kevin said no match for an LS1  Big thumbs up

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

As an LS1 owner, I've gotta say the Mustang is just looking like a broken record...alot like Rsmith from the other threads Big grin You pay for alot, but don't get much horsepower in return. A stock V8 should be running MID 13's, if not lower. When the *proposed* 2007 Camaro comes out (hopefully with the C6 Corvette LS2 engine  Big thumbs up), it'll make these pussies go running to their mommies.

Anyone notice how nicer 4th generation Camaros are fewer on the street now that they've been out of production since 2002, but there's more aftermarket parts available, and generally more satisfaction among owners? I speak as one. Next time a Mustang owner sees me and feels lucky, I'll welcome his bet at the red light.

Jutes summed it all up really really nice.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

And which one is still in production?

'Nuff said.


User currently offlineVaporlock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1086 times:

Not a bad try.....but the original Mustang was a piece of work............but lets see them bring back the Baracuda!!!  Big thumbs up

I'd love a pair of these in my driveway!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/plymouth-cuda/images/plymouth-cuda-1a.jpg

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/plymouth-cuda/images/plymouth-cuda-aar-1970b.jpg


Phyllis  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

Camaro has been out of production because of shortsighted leaders at GM...but she shall be back, soon. Till then, the new C6 Corvette will have to hold the line, abiet at about $60K a pop.

The Stang is still in production because everyone has/wants one...sometimes sheer numbers dont equal sheer quality.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1070 times:

And which one is still in production?

'Nuff said.


Yep, says that an out-of-production sports car can still out-perform the newest series of its main competitor.

You know, you're right, it does say a whole lot.

Also, pay attention when the year 2007 comes along.



-NWA742


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1061 times:

Camaro has been out of production because of shortsighted leaders at GM

Sales during the last year of production were so poor, it was not a stupid move to axe the models. I would be hard pressed to see it reintroduced. Its a shame GM has no real competor in this market segment, figuring the GTO was mostly hot air on behalf of GM marketing.



User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

Sales during the last year of production were so poor, it was not a stupid move to axe the models.

Yeah but remember, sales were low because of some idiots @ GM.

Think about it, by 2002, the Camaro being produced was basically the same Camaro produced in 1993, only with different looking headlights and an LS1 instead of an LT1. Soon, people got tired of it and wanted something really new, and GM kept their damn eyes shut to the problem for years, years, and more years until it was too late for the program. They could've saved it, but they waited. They've kept to their sense with the Corvette line, and kept it going, and hopefully they'll bring the Camaro back in 2007.

As a loyal GM fan, I'll admit GM's been making some very STUPID decisions lately........

A. Dropping the Camaro/Firebird line instead of redoing them to survive

B. Dropping the S10 truck line instead of redoing them. They've replaced the S10 with the stupid-looking Colorado.......where the most powerful engine available is an I5 -- which produces much less torque than it's predecessor.....the 4.3L V6, without even gaining much mileage or anything........ridiculous, they could've done a LOT better.

C. Changing the front end of the full-size trucks

I think a vast number of GM Divisions need to have their management team fired because of shit like this.



-NWA742


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

Ah yes, the same old slow Mustang. Deltaguy, you ever spend any time at the LS2 site? Or the poorly run LS1 site?


Yay Pudding!
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40073 posts, RR: 74
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

This car is a beauty!
You can always count on the World's best automaufacture (Ford) to turn out a fine product.
The Thunderbird/LS platform is outstanding.
The only flaw with this car is that as Bruno mentioned above is that it should have the 5.4 engine (same block as 4.6).
It's a shame that it's only in the SUVs.

General Motors isn't even a car company. They are a huge beuracracy that occasionally turn out a fine automobile in small numbers with zero marketing.
The last time I ever saw any advertisment for any F-boby (Camero/Firebird Trans Am) was when Knight Rider first came on air (1982-1983).
The dip$h!ts running GM focused there efforts on Catera, Venture, Avalanche and Escalade.

You really have to wonder about a company that axes some the best cars ever made in favor of disposable cars.
Shame on GM for discontinuing the Trans Am, Camero, Fleetwood Brougham, Roadmaster, Caprice Classic and Impala SS.

Thank God for Ford Mercury Lincoln.
A family of fine cars!  Smokin cool



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

Actually the Thunderbird/LS platfom is flawed. The Thunderbird is being retired (not retooled) next year due to slow sales. The LS came in 7th out of 7 in the Car and Driver performance challenge (check it out--in last years editions).

The Lincoln LS will move to the the Mazda 6 plaform for 2007.

The Mustang was put on the same platform to reduce tooling cost---not because it was a 'stellar' platform to build the car.

It was a design compromise from Day 1---too heavy, not enough power, an inherently a poor handle without heavily modified suspension,

But hey...it's cheap to manufacturer...and to sell. It will be a runaway success. And the above, aside, that's not such a bad thing!





User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Hey, 'Fly...how ya doin? Gotta agree w/ some of your GM observations, and, BTW, NWA742 is to all of his points 100% correct (I know, I was there). Even worse (regarding the last generation Camaro/Firebird), that wasn't even a 'new' car. We had to weld-up cracked floorpan tooling, add reinfs to the body-in-white, and do a lot of other carry-over patches to get that car on the road. The problem wasn't design or engineering staffs (you should see photos of some of the truely neat shit we had in the pipeline), but was the result of myopic bean-counters trying to 'save' the company a bundle of cash, and no upper management cajones. Problem is, they saved the model line(s) right out of the market. Remember, this is part of the team that let the country's oldest nameplate die after having the best selling car in the USA a few years earlier.

Ref the new Mustang, the more I see them on the streets here in Dearborn, the more I like them. I will stand by an earlier opinion, though: the car will sell like hotcakes the first model year, then slowly taper off (much like the PT Cruiser craze). It's a crime that all this money was put into the platform w/out an IRS, and I question the performance capabilities of the GT option, too. We'll have to wait and see. Regards...Jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

I was somewhat surprised at the "look" of the car. Retro, yes, but why base the look on the 67-68 'Stang? I used to live in a house in college with several Mustang owners(Two 64 and a half coupe's and ragtop, '66 coupe and '67 coupe), and they subscribed to "Mustang Magazine" or something like that, and every interview about styling treated the 67 and 68 as "bastard step children"




If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 995 times:

Tristarenvy: Good point. If J Mays wanted retro, he should have had the original sitting next to the surface plate for clay modeling, not the 67-8. Regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineSkyway1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 981 times:

I actually agree with flight152 here just a bit about the GTO. GM can't give them away at this point....I went to the local Pontiac dealer knowing this problem and all they wanted to peddle were Grand Am GT's. I hear they still have a 60 day supply of GTO's left...something like 6,000+ cars. It's funny.....I drove by the same dealer this morning and they have the exact same GTO's and Grand Am's sitting on the lot. I'm waiting to see how desparate they will get to dump the goats...see what kind of deal I can get. If they're still willing only to deal s**t....I'll wait for the 2005 GTO's with the new LS2 motor.

Chris


User currently offlineTristarenvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 975 times:

Jack, it COULD have been worse, old J might have been a fan of the Mustang II.

Wonder what the living members of Henry The Duece's "Whiz Kid's" feel about Dearborn's cars.....



If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
25 Post contains images Superfly : Tristarenvy: Hey watch it, I like he Mustang IIs, especially the Ghias. Cptkrell: Hey man I am doing great. GM should be punished for dropping the B b
26 Post contains links and images Mdsh00 : Speaking of revivals, Dodge is coming out with a 2006 Charger with a Hemi V-8. http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=8518
27 Tristarenvy : Whoops! Sorry 'Fly, I forget, sometimes! That Charger rocks! What a looker. I dig the "classic" Darrin Dip line in the rear fender. When was the last
28 Captoveur : I love how retro styling just says "Our designers ran out of good ideas, so we decided to steal an old one and screw it up." I love that line about Fo
29 PHLBOS : Guys, There's one element out there that could make or break sales of the new Mustang... the economy. Ford could aggressively advertise the new Mustan
30 MD-90 : $1/gal or less gas prices? Which decade was that? Isn't the LS platform a little large for a Mustang?
31 PHLBOS : $1/gal or less gas prices? Which decade was that? Try 1999, at least in the East Coast.[Edited 2004-09-29 17:27:03]
32 Flight152 : Isn't the LS platform a little large for a Mustang? The same platform can be shrunk or enlarged to fit a specific car.
33 Tristarenvy : PHLBOS hit's the nail on the head w/the 89-97 'Bird remark. I remember all the car mag's bemoaning the demise of the rear drive "personal luxury" cars
34 Post contains images Lapper : The front end looks a lot like the old Lancia rally cars AND
35 Captoveur : "The front end looks a lot like the old Lancia rally cars" I promise you the similarities end there... Unfortuante, I know.
36 Cptkrell : 'Fly...good to chat witcha. BTW, Wifey and I are in the imminent throes of final move down south. Contact me personally and I'll send you some vintage
37 Tristarenvy : I could find a few Zagato owners who might DISagree w/that! But, oh, for a nice 80's HPE hatch.....
38 PHLBOS : Chrysler's last rear drive midsize was Cordoba/Mirada Tristarenvy, In terms of coupes, you're right; but if one includes sedans, don't forget about th
39 Tristarenvy : PHLBOS, I wasn't counting the long lamented 'Dip and Gran Fury (which, BTW, DID have a two door from the '80 restyle thru, what '82?). I also forgot t
40 Post contains images Superfly : More car talk! Cptkrell: Send those photos my way! Tristarenvy: Rememeber the Thunderbird ad with Murphy Brown? (circa 1990) My favorite of this era w
41 Tristarenvy : 'Fly my friend I hadn't seen it. I will go dig around in my collection of car stuff. I had stopped pulling ads about the time I met my future wife, an
42 PHLBOS : I wasn't counting the long lamented 'Dip and Gran Fury (which, BTW, DID have a two door from the '80 restyle thru, what '82?). I also forgot to includ
43 Tristarenvy : I love the totally over the top wood on the T&C of that generation. There is one still amongst the living, here, in Tampa, and I see it frequently. I
44 Dl021 : The Mustang will sell because it offers people what they want at a price they can afford. The new body style has already created alot of buzz and will
45 Tristarenvy : I hope Mr. Lutz hasn't been "reigned in" by GM. I remember when he landed there, and made his mark, pretty quick by demanding all Pontiac vehicles loo
46 Superfly : Tristarenvy: I'll mention that next time I see him. Now about that turbo Thunderbird, you are aware that it's a 2.3 Pinto engine, right? Would you rea
47 Delta767300ER : The new GTO looks like crap! Ya it performs well but like another user said, it looks like a hopped up Cavalier. GM needs to redesign the body to make
48 Tristarenvy : 'Fly, be sure to toss in that over used popular phrase, "Bob, YOU da MAN!!!" And tell him his book "GUTS" was one of the best reads, ever. Every manag
49 Flight152 : Put a spoiler on it, ram-air hood ect. It actually comes standard with a spoiler and now one of those usless, but optional ram-air hoods. Though, I re
50 Captoveur : "Some will claim that it's meant for folks who know what it is and don't need to show off, ala Trans Am style, and it's just fine being bland." Person
51 Tristarenvy : I was going to the late 70's "Screamin' Chicken" T/A. The early 70's were pretty cars... Let's forget the "Skybird" in it's powder blue loveliness...(
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