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Fingerprints And Pic. Welcome In USA  
User currently offlineMyk From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

I guess that everyone knows here that the rules are changing for entering the USA. Even europeans will need to show fingerprints and smile in front of a camera when entering the USA !
What a waiste of money ! I know a lot of people who will prefer friendly Canada or other places in the world where you are welcomed a little bit nicer.

So, what is your opinion about it ???

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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

America - or any country for that matter - should be free to do what they want within their borders. If they want all foreigners to be fingerprinted before being allowed to enter, so be it. It's not as if we're being forced to go to America. We always do have the choice to not go.

I associate fingerprinting with being a criminal or being illiterate. I'm neither, so I have no desire to get printed. Consequently, you won't be seeing me in America again - unless it is an absolute emergency. Not that they'd miss me  Big grin


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

It sure is degrading for foreigners to be treated like common thugs that have to be carefully regulated. But with the mindset of this country, there's not much else that can be done.

I will say, though, that if you're going to make people from a few countries do it, you should make everyone do it.



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

"So, what is your opinion about it ???"

Have fun in canada.... !

 Big grin


User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1605 times:



IMHO, European countries should have started doing the same thing long ago.

BTW, I've been treated worse going through immigration in Canada than any time I've entered the US.


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

It's a shame that it has to be like that.
But like Mir said. Either everyone does it or no one is doing it.
One thing is for sure. It sure wont stop me from going to the US on vacation.
It's just a picture. But I hope that the fingerprint dust wont mess up my clothes like last time I had to do finger prints at the police station.


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

QIguy, it's digital, so no dust. Your clothes are safe!

User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

A digital fingerprint and a photo. Oh God it's the end of the world! And visitors will be up 3% in the next year.

Spare us Americans!

Written with a HUGE dose of sarcasm.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1578 times:





-NWA742


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

QIguy, it's digital, so no dust. Your clothes are safe!

Phew!! Thank god for that. But I think I learned a lesson from last time Big grin


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

How did you end up at the poilce station? Were you being naughty?

User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

Lol! Big grin

Well. I ended up at the police station because of a class trip in 9th grade  Sad
We had to visit the local police station to se how they worked.


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

Hmmm... So were they just demonstrating how they fingerprint people, or did you do something to the cops?  Smile

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Just as a thought, why can't we take these photographs and fingerprints when the people apply for visas? It would make much more sense, and people wouldn't have to have their first moments in the US soured by having to be treated like criminals.


7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Well, I´m not delighted by the thought of the immigration process being furtherly slowed down but it will certainly not stop me from visiting that great country where I´ve had a wonderful time each time I was travelling there.

Why should a digital fingerprint and a lousy picture of my face prevent me from travelling where I like to travel the most? I think that some people here are hypersensitive whenever it comes to US security measures, no matter if these measures have any sense or not.


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

I just came to think of one thing.

What if you are a pretty big person and have a fat face while taking your picture and return to the US about 1 year later after loosing alot of weight.

How do they do that? Will they take a new picture if you can't be recognized on the old?


User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

I don't really see a problem with that myself.

It is better than having people rejected at borders because they have the misfortune of sharing the name of an Al Qeida suspect.

Heck, when I see that I can drive from France to Switzerland 4 or 6 times in a day, and never be ask any ID - I even smuggled a cat once ! (but I was only in transit and drove her back to France in the same day, I did not introduce permantently and illegaly my Pluchette in CH).

Introducing the same system in Europe would help authorities apprehending waned fugitives.

cheers,

707


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Just as a thought, why can't we take these photographs and fingerprints when the people apply for visas? It would make much more sense, and people wouldn't have to have their first moments in the US soured by having to be treated like criminals.

Mir, people do have to get printed and photographed when they apply for visas. Then, when they ahow up at an American port, they get printed and photographed again. Finally, and I don't know if this is operational yet, they get printed again at the time of departure.

******


Why should a digital fingerprint and a lousy picture of my face prevent me from travelling where I like to travel the most? I think that some people here are hypersensitive whenever it comes to US security measures, no matter if these measures have any sense or not.

You could call me hypersensitive 9V. Who knows, perhaps I am. As I said though, "I associate fingerprinting with being a criminal or being illiterate. I'm neither, so I have no desire to get printed. Consequently, you won't be seeing me in America again - unless it is an absolute emergency. Not that they'd miss me  Big grin"

******


It is better than having people rejected at borders because they have the misfortune of sharing the name of an Al Qeida suspect.
707, but airlines are already handing over all kinds of information on their passengers before the flight even gets off the ground. Remember the fight the EC and the Americans got into over sharing of passenger data? Besides, where does it end? How long will everyone keep saying on s'habitue?

[Edited 2004-09-28 11:33:56]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Ok, then. I don't know why they have to do it so many times, but if they have to do it, then they have to do it. It's a shame, but what can you do? I'd much rather have them put some effort into making sure that the people who do the picture-taking and fingerprinting are civil and polite. I think that that will be much appreciated by the visiting public.


7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

I'd much rather have them put some effort into making sure that the people who do the picture-taking and fingerprinting are civil and polite. I think that that will be much appreciated by the visiting public.

I agree. When I showed up at O'Hare earlier this year, the passport guy was reall nice, he even said Welcome to America - nice touch! Not very bright though...


User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

just aslong as US citizens don't get all shitty when other coutries start doing it to them!  Big grin

the new system means that every national from every country except canada and mexico will be photographed and fingerprinted, from what i understand that info is crosschecked with US watchlists for a possible match.

you'd have to be on the watchlist for it to really affect you.



a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

from what i understand that info is crosschecked with US watchlists for a possible match.

The info is meant to be crosschecked 077. Doesn't mean it happens!

you'd have to be on the watchlist for it to really affect you

Considering the kinds of people who's names have somahow ended up on the watchlist, anyone could be affected. Including long dead Americans, from what someone posted on another topic!


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

You'd have to be on the watchlist for it to really affect you.

Yusuf Islam wasn't on that list. He got sent back to UK right away Big grin It sure did affect him.

I just hope to god that no Terrorist has the same name as me Big grin


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

I just hope to god that no Terrorist has the same name as me

LOL! I'm changing my name to QIguy24...


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

LOL! I'm changing my name to QIguy24...

Oh please don't! Then I'm totally f*cked!! Big grin

But if you really want QIguy24 written in your passport be my guest. I'm sure they have been spying on A.net and seen all the shit I have been writing in here  Big grin


25 Post contains images Qantas077 : Yusuf Islam was recently added to that list, rather foolishly too! he was allowed into the US as little as 3 months ago!
26 DIJKKIJK : Finally, and I don't know if this is operational yet, they get printed again at the time of departure. No, they don't fingerprint you when you depart.
27 Post contains images Jasepl : But if you really want QIguy24 written in your passport be my guest. I'm sure they have been spying on A.net and seen all the shit I have been writing
28 Post contains images QIguy24 : Yusuf Islam was recently added to that list, rather foolishly too! he was allowed into the US as little as 3 months ago The funny thing is that he act
29 Jasepl : Like I said in response to Mir's post: Nice people, but not very bright.
30 Post contains images QR332 : But if you really want QIguy24 written in your passport be my guest. I'm sure they have been spying on A.net and seen all the shit I have been writing
31 Marcus : As a Mexican, when you apply for a US visa you are photographed and fingerprinted, then a few weeks later in the mail you will received your "visa" it
32 Bushcheney2004 : Cry about it. It is a DIGITAL fingerprint, and they take a snapshot of you. It is a 10 second process. If it protects us what's the big deal? You are
33 Jasepl : Cry about it. It is a DIGITAL fingerprint, and they take a snapshot of you. It is a 10 second process. If it protects us what's the big deal? You are
34 L410Turbolet : Cry about it. It is a DIGITAL fingerprint, and they take a snapshot of you. It is a 10 second process. If it protects us what's the big deal? If it's
35 Jarek : Hi, Well, going thru the process number of times I don’t find it as a big hassle. I have a question though. What is the purpose of that? How does it
36 Jasepl : How does it make US safer Honestly, I can't answer that. It certainly seems to make many Americans feel safer though. Somewhat like a placebo.
37 Bushcheney2004 : Jarek, It tries to match your fingerprints and picture with those of known terrorists and criminals. I feel sorry for anybody whos time is so valuable
38 Photopilot : There are plenty of other countries in the world where I can choose to spend my tourist and shopping dollars. Without the invasion of my privacy or th
39 Jarek : Bushcheney2004, So when they scan my fingers it’s compared with the database of the criminals/terrorists? That’s what it does? Regards Jarek
40 9V-SPF : As for me, I'll travel where I am APPRECIATED as a tourist and treated with RESPECT. Same for me. That´s why I like travelling to the US. A photo and
41 Bushcheney2004 : Jarek, that is exactly what it is. I like your attitude 9V-SPF.
42 Jarek : Hm, interesting. So theoretically I can go the next time with my fingers only since the Immigrations (or whatever they are called now) can get all my
43 Bushcheney2004 : Jarek. this should answer your question The only exceptions will be visitors from 27 countries — most of them European nations whose citizens are al
44 L410Turbolet : Jarek, if you're asking for reasoning behind all this - reading of the book "1984" by George Orwell might help.
45 Jarek : Bushcheney2004, I don’t think machine-readable passports have the fingerprints and other biometric data. That can’t be the reason why not to scan
46 Bushcheney2004 : Jarek, that was directly from an MSNBC article.
47 Jarek : Bushcheney2004, I am not saying that is something my made up. I am just saying I still see no logic in the entire process. Regards Jarek
48 Bushcheney2004 : Since each fingerprint is unique, it is easy to scan for terrorists and criminals to distinguish yourself. The passports will bring up your photo and
49 Post contains images Jarek : Bushcheney2004, I am not sure I understood your last post. Of course scanning the fingerprints is the way to recognize the individual. My questions ho
50 Bushcheney2004 : The nations that do not go through it will have machine readable passports, which will be swiped when going through customs, and identify your fingerp
51 L410Turbolet : I read the book. I just hope that US is a bit different than what was described there. It most certainly is, but Bush, Ashcroft, Ridge and all these c
52 Bushcheney2004 : If anyone looks like a clown it is John Kerry.
53 Post contains images Mrniji : If anyone looks like a clown it is John Kerry. How about one constructive post as a change..? Probably you look like a brainless skeleton..
54 Post contains images Bushcheney2004 : NO, I do not resemble John Kerry that closely.
55 JetService : Why are you all suddenly discontent with having your identity checked? That's all fingerprinting is. Having your identity checked can't be new to you.
56 Jarek : Well, I don’t think machine readable passports have the biometric data incorporated. I know that some countries are thinking about introducing such
57 Jarek : Just for the record, I am not discontent. I just want to understand the reasoning behind that so I ask the questions. Regards Jarek
58 Qantas077 : Jarek from what i understand, from Sept 30 all nationals of all countries will be using the USVISIT programme, this mean's that everyone will be photo
59 Ltbewr : As to US Passports for the last couple of years, your photo is digitized onto the inside cover and electronicaly coded, to be able to be displayed on
60 Thecoz : I bet if you tarred and feathered yourself before you got here, they wouldn't get much of a photo or a finger print. Problem solved!
61 Jarek : Guys, Thanks a lot for the clarifications. I am still however not clear about some issues. My understanding (also from what I read here) was that the
62 Alektoronto : hey guys! well we all knew this was coming and I guess the answer is simple, if you don't want to be fingerprinted then just don't go to the US. It re
63 L410Turbolet : Also, the bonus question remains there. How this system is designed so it can compare so much data so quickly? I think that's a great question for som
64 Post contains images QIguy24 : BTW, I like Poland because they are the only country in the world, besides the U.S, that if the election were today and could vote, would re-elect Bus
65 ClassicLover : The fingerprints are apparently to stop identity theft. If you have entered the USA on a Passport and given your finger prints, and then someone else
66 JGPH1A : The USVISIT program is just paranoid scare tactics designed to delude US citizens into thinking they're safe from us evil foreigners. The fact is, the
67 Commander_Rabb : One of the key goals of the new system is to confirm that the person presenting the visa is the same person who applied for the visa at a U.S. embassy
68 Post contains images JGPH1A : Re: " One of the key goals of the new system is to confirm that the person presenting the visa is the same person who applied for the visa at a U.S. e
69 Post contains images LO231 : I have been to the US earlier this year, had my fingerprints and picture taken, it took 20 seconds. I was there for 2 weeks, so such a small fraction
70 FDXmech : If I visited a foreign country and was required to be fingerprinted and photographed I'd say, "OK". When I left the airport, I'd proceed to have a nic
71 Jarek : Commander_Rabb, FDXmech, I will speak for myself. I have no problem with going through the procedure and I mentioned that before. I put my fingers on
72 Alektoronto : hey! There are obviously a large amounts of American citizens, especially here that do not seem to want to question anything the government wants to d
73 MD11Engineer : It doesn´t just apply to Americans, it applies to almost every government nowadays that they cut back on personal freedom and introduce more and more
74 Commander_Rabb : They might install it now though - just for American visitors By this sentence and this sentence alone I can now see why it rubs YOU the hard way. I g
75 Jarek : Anybody cares to explain inconsistence?? Regards Jarek
76 Jasepl : All of you screaming that it takes only 30 seconds etc... That's not what the issue is! One of the key goals of the new system is to confirm that the
77 Post contains images QIguy24 : Im looking forward to see for my self how it works when I'm going over there in November
78 PPGMD : And how does that work then? I wasn't printed when I got a visa. I've never even been inside an American embassy or consulate. In fact, the only time
79 Jasepl : If you don't start it at some point we would never have anything to compare them with. Great in theory, but that also means America's under threat fro
80 PPGMD : Yes, but you have been finger printed and photographed once, now they have a baseline to compare to every time you enter the country. Sure it's a mist
81 Jasepl : Sure it's a mistake not to originally do that when you were given the visa, but it's a start. But that's just it! Whatever they might have people beli
82 PPGMD : Jasepl, It will be a few years at the minimum before many of the programs become effective, because the databases are just started. But now they have
83 Malb777 : Great get of a 14hr transpacific flight tired pissed off cause the kid behind you was crying/throwing up all night. WELCOME TO AMERICA Please form a q
84 Qantas077 : it's quite amazing that members of the Visa Waiver Programme have to now give there fingerprints and photograph, i'm flying to LA then on to YYZ in ea
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