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The Most "Hallowed" Ground In Your Country?  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

I'm watching part of Ted Turner's rendition of "Gettysburg", the re-inactment of the great American Civil War battle. Gettysburg, to many Americans, is considered maybe the most hallowed piece of ground in the nation, where more than 50,000 Americans were killed and wounded in 3 days in 1863.

There are other "Gettysburgs", all over this planet-places, where through a baptism of fire and steel, a nation came of age. What is the most hallowed grounds in your nation?

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User currently offlineJeffM From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3266 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Remember the Alamo!


-signed,

All Texans  Big grin


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Here in Denmark we have Rebild Bakker and most of SønderJylland.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Tell us a little about these places-not just their name. Maybe we can learn a little about each other's history.  Smile

User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Oh sorry about that guys Big grin

here is some info about one of the more famous wars in SønderJylland.
The war against the Krauts and Preussers Big grin

http://www.milhist.dk/trearskrigen/schles/schles.html


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Here is some info about Rebild Bakker and it wasn't a war there. It just have some very interesting history:

Rebild Bakker was previously a common grazing area for the Rebild farmers' cattle, horses and sheep, and the name of the town is thought to derive from an old Danish word >>rapi<<, meaning scrub. In 1912 a group of Danish Americans acquired the core of the site and donated it to the Danish state. Three conditions were attached to the gift: The area was to remain in a natural state, open to everybody, and the Danish Americans were to be allowed to celebrate American holidays in the hills. For 150 years The State Forest Service has acquired other areas in the district beginning with Dybdals Hoved, which once belonged to a manor called Great Restrup. The whole area as well as the adjoining Lindenborg river valley is now a nature reserve. The preservation of a combination of scrub and heather is also desired.

Source: Skov og natur styrelsen




[Edited 2004-09-28 16:08:59]

User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Bannockburn!  Big thumbs up
More info can be found here





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User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

St Mary's stadium, Southampton  Big grin

Seriously though, I don't think the UK's most hallowed ground is actually in the UK - I reckon it would be in Normandy where the beach landings took place.



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

How about Agincourt, Ryan? Or maybe even Waterloo? So much more satisfaction in whipping the French than the Germans!

[Edited 2004-09-28 16:33:38]

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6912 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

This is a really good thought-provoking thread....good call Falcon. Gettysburg is definitely a contender.

* San Jacinto Battleground State Park: just outside Houston, on the banks of what is now the Ship Channel, lies a monument (an obelisk 15 feet taller than the Washington Monument no less) on the site of the battle of San Jacinto. People focus on the Alamo, but it is here in 1836 where Texas' independence from Mexico was won in a ferocious short battle. The result lead indirectly to the eventual addition of Texas and most of the American Southwest.

* The USS Arizona monument...visiting that, seeing the hulk of the battleship beneath the water is a humbling and moving experience. The events of the morning of December 7, 1941 changed us forever.

There are probably numerous ones I could think of, but those 2 immediately popped into my head. I'd add Lambeau Field too.  Wink/being sarcastic



User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

For France, I would have to say Verdun.

Peace to the souls of these soldiers.

Cheers,

707


User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

In Canada, a top contender would be the Plains of Abraham.



It was the location of a battle between the English and French army. It seems to have been only one of the many battles between England and France that took place during the seven year's war. But this one proved decisive for the control of North America.

France, thanks to the incompetence of its king, was so in debt that it could not afford to even try and win this war. And France didn't really have an American policy at the time; it thought that only the "civilized world" (aka Europe) was of any significant importance.

More details about this decisive battle and its context can be found here or here.



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User currently offlinePeterpuck From Canada, joined Jun 2004, 323 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Vimy Ridge and Juno Beach, both in France, I would say.

Vimy is where Canadians broke through the previously impenetrable German lines in WW1.

Juno was our beach on D-Day.


User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

In the U.S., I would say Arlington National Cemetary is a contender. I will second the U.S.S. Airzona memorial as well.

[Edited 2004-09-28 17:03:47]


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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Over time I think the crash sight of UA93 will receive the recognition it deserves. Every time I think about what those brave passengers did to prevent an attack on our Capitol or Whitehouse (they're still not sure where it was headed), I get chills.

If ever ground has been consecrated by the blood of brave citizens looking to defend their country from attack, it's got to be this place. This was a self-less act of honor that compares favorably with all the others mentioned above.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8735 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Bit difficult of a question for a German, since we've been the ones who got beat the last two times.

I'd nominate the Reichstag building which is now home to the Bundestag, and was the stage for lots of Germany's history. But there's a lot more places, like these:

- the cathedral of Aachen
- Sanssouci, a Versailles-style castle in Potsdam near Berlin
- the city of Weimar, where Goethe and Schiller lived for a long time
- Paulskirche in Frankfurt, where the "first German parliament" assembled in 1848
- concentration camp memorials like Buchenwald
- the Berlin Wall memorial: http://www.berliner-mauer-dokumentationszentrum.de/index_e.html



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Over time I think the crash sight of UA93 will receive the recognition it deserves. Every time I think about what those brave passengers did to prevent an attack on our Capitol or Whitehouse (they're still not sure where it was headed), I get chills.

Not to take away from the bravery of the passengers in any way, but hadn't both the Capitol and White House been evacuated? If that's the case, which I believe is true, the passengers' actions prevented property damage (which would have been repaired quickly in any event) but did not actually save lives.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2699 times:

PROSA, to the best of my knowledge, the passengers had no idea that the Capitol and the WH had been evacuated. Furthermore, the image of a burning US Capitol building or WH would have given the US a tremendous black eye.

Do the deaths of American forces in the Battle of New Orleans after the end of the War of 1812 mean any less because the British had already surrendered?

When you ask why people don't respect you, you might want to consider that it's a direct results of posts like this.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Gettysburg, to me, is the place. It was the turning point of the Civil War; it, along with the fall of Vicksburg the next day, sealed the fate of the Confederacy.

It was the bloodiest battle Americans have ever fought-some 50,000 casualties in 3 days of battle. It was the end of the days of slavery, the end of the agrarian United States, as it was known, and of the idea of a loose confederation of states, and signaled the beginning of the struggle, that lasted for a century thereafter, for equality for blacks, of the industrial revolution, and of a strong federal government.

It was the worst mistake Robert E. Lee made. Had he listened to his #1, James Longstreet, and put his forces between the Army of the Potomic and Washington, he could have fought on ground of his choosing, and, possibly, ended the war with the CSA remaining independent.

It was a battle that Lee shouldn't have fought, but, as the fates have it so often, was destined to be fought-a pivot in our history. It was where this nation grew out of it's infancy as a nation, and forged itself as a nation to be reckoned with on the world stage.

The fighting went on for two more sad, bloody years, but the fate of that war was sealed when those two armies left Gettysburg on July 4, 1863.


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Bannockburn

But it didn't last Kirk... Today being evidence


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

PROSA, to the best of my knowledge, the passengers had no idea that the Capitol and the WH had been evacuated. Furthermore, the image of a burning US Capitol building or WH would have given the US a tremendous black eye.
Do the deaths of American forces in the Battle of New Orleans after the end of the War of 1812 mean any less because the British had already surrendered?
When you ask why people don't respect you, you might want to consider that it's a direct results of posts like this.


What's so bad with what I said? I would tend to doubt that the passengers fought back because they thought there were people in the Capitol or White House still at risk, or even that those buildings were targeted; they probably were trying to save their own lives, unfortunately things didn't work out that way. They still acted bravely in any event. That's what really counts.
Yes, the sight of the Capitol or White House in flames would have looked bad, though in the grand scheme of things the fact of 3,000 dead at the WTC and Pentagon is immeasurably worse. Structures can be rebuilt, though quite typically New York is doing a remarkably incompetent job with the WTC site, but lives cannot be restored. Besides, think of what a boost the nation would have gotten a year or so later when the Capitol or White House reopened, fully restored.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

As Ryanb741 has stated I don't think the UK's most hallowed ground is actually in the UK. I consider Normandy, Waterloo, Arnhem and the skies over South East England the areas that are most hallowed.

As the saying goes 'There is a corner of a foreign field that is forever England'.



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Do the deaths of American forces in the Battle of New Orleans after the end of the War of 1812 mean any less because the British had already surrendered?

Their deaths may have been in vain, but that does not mean they weren't brave. Individual bravery can exist even when the overall outcome is not favorable. The 58,000+ American deaths in Vietnam ultimately were pointless,* but that should not detract from such individual acts of heroism may exist.
* = I fear the same may be true for the 1,000+ deaths in Iraq  Sad



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

United States



LAS VEGAS!








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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

Aloges:

Wouldn't the Deutsches Eck in Koblenz, at the confluence of the Rhine and Mosel, be on that list as well? I've heard it compared to the Alamo, not sure if that's a valid comparison or not...

For the US, I would add the WTC site as well, once the new buildings are up, the 'footprints' of the two towers will certainly be hallowed ground.


User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2810 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Queenstown Heights, Niagara Penninsula, Ontario, Canada.

U.S. Major General Stephen Van Rensselaer has command of a sizable army near Lewiston, New York but is far from inspired by the quality of his troops. To make matters worse, Van Rensellaer is a major general of the militia and receives little respect from the officers of the regular army. But he is under pressure from the President and must act.

Early in the morning of October 13, 1812, Van Rensselaer attacks across the Niagara River. Despite heavy British fire and the treacherous river currents, most of the first wave of the American force reach the Canadian shore. But their objective is Queenston Heights - 80 meters straight above them. They manage to find a fisherman's path and half the force heads up the embankment.

Meanwhile, the small British force at Queenston Heights is heartened by arrival of General Brock from Fort George and news that there are more reinforcements on the way.

Part of the American force reaches the top of the promontory and circles behind the British artillery position. The redcoats are forced from the Heights with only enough time to spike their biggest cannon. The headstrong General Brock decides to counter-attack immediately. Charging ahead of his troops, Isaac Brock is shot and killed.

The battle for control of the Heights continues for hours. The American troops waiting to cross the Niagara refuse to budge. The militiamen can hear the battle-cries of the Mohawks from across the river and suddenly remember their constitutional rights: they cannot be forced to fight on foreign soil. Without reinforcements, it is only a matter of time before the initial American attackers are outnumbered, and trapped, on the Canadian side of the river.

As the British retake the town of Queenston, the US troops on the Heights cannot consolidate their position. Men scramble down the embankment and, crazed with fear, leap from the cliffs. Others hide in the forest or attempt to swim back to the American side. The remaining US troops quickly surrender.

Although this is a decisive victory for the British, it has been won at great cost. Brock has been killed.

The battle at Queenston convinces many people that a defense of Canada is possible. Brock's death becomes a unifying factor for many Upper Canadians; they now have a hero to mourn and a common debt to repay.

Score, Canada 1, USA 0


25 OV735 : In Estonia, one of those places is the hilly region of Sinimäed (Blue Hills), where the "brother-killing battle" took place on September 21st 1944. T
26 Post contains images DeltaMD11 : I would say undeniably that Arlington National Cemetery is the most hallowed ground in this great nation, honoring our nation's brave men and leaders
27 Post contains images Superfly : Some might claim Kodachrome Basin State Park in southern Utah.
28 Yyz717 : In Canada, I would say the Plains of Abraham in Quebec City, where the English defeated the French. [Edited 2004-09-29 03:33:24]
29 Dl021 : I think that the battlefield at Gettysburg is certainly on the list being the critical turning point of the momentum of the war. So too is the encampm
30 Csavel : Good question. For the US, most other people have already added my selections but here goes... WTC - I think for a lot of reasons; most people died he
31 Diamond : 1. Arlington National Cemetery 2. Pearl Harbor / USS Arizona 3. WTC / Ground Zero
32 Post contains images Falcon84 : I can't agree with Arlington. It is hallowed ground, but it's where those who fought in other hallowed grounds were laid to rest. Pearl Harbor is up t
33 Post contains images Confuscius : Some might claim Kodachrome Basin State Park in southern Utah. Another Utah site... Turret Arch Arches National Park, UT
34 Krushny : I would say Covadonga. There in 718 the Asturians defeated the Arabs and established a Christian kingdom with capital in nearby Cangas de Onís, whic
35 Superfly : Confuscius: I penetrated..err visited Turret Arch at Arches National Park on the same feild trip that I saw Kodachrome Basin back in 1994. Let's not
36 Iakobos : In this peculiar country, all land is hallowed, except my garden. If it is not for wartime heroism or heroic resistance during occupations times or ne
37 Post contains images GKirk : Jasepl, yes, but it was and still is the scene of Scotlands greatest ever victory,, which as you said unfortunatly counts for nothing today Or you cou
38 Iakobos : "Bannockburn" I read in a very old edition of Encyclopedia Britannica that the English knights were not militarily defeated on the field but that they
39 Jasepl : As for UK overall, yes, I would suggest places such as Dunkirk, France or other places were British people fought/lost their lives That's why I sugges
40 JGPH1A : Re: Don't know if many Scots would have fought alongside Henry V or Wellington! Maybe not Henry V, but Wellington, certainly. I'm sure there were High
41 Iakobos : Wellington was indeed fond of his Scots: 71st foot Glasgow Highland Light infantry (no kilts), 92nd "Gordon" Highlanders (with kilts), 2nd Dragoons "S
42 Gordonsmall : The Most "Hallowed" Ground In Your Country? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ............. That's an easy one! Parkhead Stadium! Home of a sainted man, Mr Martin O'N
43 MD11Engineer : Kirkie, What about Culloden? Brave, but badly lead by "Bonnie" Prince Charlie. Jan
44 Jasepl : Maybe not Henry V, but Wellington, certainly. I'm sure there were Highlands and other Scots regiments at Waterloo I should have thought of that! Didn'
45 Post contains images Confuscius : Let's not for get the corner of Haight & Ashbury here in San Francisco. ...and the Mitchell Brothers' O'Farrell Theatre.
46 Goose : For me, Dieppe in France is hallowed ground. It's where a force of Commonwealth (mostly Canadian) troops were sent ashore in 1942 to raid the town and
47 Post contains images Banco : Don't tell Kirkie, but Robert the Bruce was actually a Frenchman. I'm not sure we have any "hallowed" ground in the UK. There have been so many battle
48 Jasepl : You know what Banco? The more often I read your post, the more I see your point. Good job! Also, it's interesting to note some parallels in India. It'
49 JGPH1A : Banco Interesting re Robért Le Brusse - who knew ! I think there are some sites in the UK that might be considered special to the point of hallowedne
50 Post contains images Banco : As an outsider I can't think of any one single location that really define India either! First of all, JGPH1A, I'm going to note down that "we" in the
51 JGPH1A : Banco - note that the 'we' was in inverted commas. In 1066 there was no 'British', only Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Britons, Picts, Danes etc etc. 'We' mea
52 Banco : Enough weaselling to qualify you for a walk-on part in a production of Wind in the Willows, I would say... The analysis of the Commonwealth is not one
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