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Reinstatement Of The Draft  
User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

I've heard that the draft may be reinstated, but can anyone give me the details? This affects me greatly, as in 3 years I will be 18 (eligible for the draft). Please no Bush vs Kerry, I would just like the straight facts.

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User currently offlineBushcheney2004 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

I know that Kerry is for reinstating the draft, and Bush is against it.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
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How do you expect to get reliable information about something that merely exists as an idea only, one that's being supported by few people?


"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Congratulations,

You are the 283rd person to post a thread on this topic within a few months!!!

Learn to use the search function.



User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

How do you expect to get reliable information about something that merely exists as an idea only, one that's being supported by few people?

I want to know who supports it, and how I can avoid it legally.


User currently offlineBushcheney2004 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Fritzi, piss off. The guy is asking an honest question. If you are so sure, than please provde all 283 links.

User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

Congratulations,

You are the 283rd person to post a thread on this topic within a few months!!!

Learn to use the search function.


I'm sorry, but I'm nervous and worried because I don't want to be forced into military service.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

I know that Kerry is for reinstating the draft, and Bush is against it.

Speaking of pissing off... Do you have anything to back this up? You must be too busy learning an education with Yanksin4 to actually pay attention to anything.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1614 times:
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How do you expect to get reliable information about something that merely exists as an idea only, one that's being supported by few people?

I want to know who supports it, and how I can avoid it legally.


Finding out who supports it is fairly easy, but the hows and whys of a draft system would take time to put together, so any suggestion on how to avoid the draft (other than "Head to Canada!") would purely be conjecture at this point.

Just read this and relax, ok?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.asp



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User currently offlineCLEfan From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

From johnkerry.com:

"Asked by a student if he believed the military draft would be resumed, Kerry said to sustained applause and cheers, 'If you elect me president ... I will give us a foreign policy that absolutely makes it unnecessary to have a draft.'"

Source: http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/news/news_2004_0526.html

BushCheney2004,

If the guy is asking a honest question, could you please give him an honest answer?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

The draft legislation is the brainchild of one of the most racist members of congress and a democrat.

The White House is against it.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1582 times:
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CLEfan, the problem is he didn't give "an honest answer," as you put it.

Senator Kerry merely sidestepped the question without answering it directly.




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User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

I know that Kerry is for reinstating the draft, and Bush is against it.

If THAT'S not bullshit, I dont know WHAT is!  Insane


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

I don't know about Kerry, but GW and the White House is against.

Just remember who started this, it was Charlie Rangel out of New York, A very hard core democrat.

His reasons for doing it have nothing to do with military strength but rather his own racist policies.



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User currently offlineCLEfan From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 299 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

EA CO AS,

I wasn't referring to Kerry's comment when I said "honest answer." I was referring to BushCheney2004's statement that "Kerry is for reinstating the draft" which is clearly not a honest answer. What truly annoys me is when someone in support of either candidate makes up some fact that is totally false, only to mislead another. This entire election cycle is making me sick. I normally avoid the political threads like the plague, but I felt I had to jump in here to address such a grievous lie.

I guess my interpretation of "I will give us a foreign policy that absolutely makes it unnecessary to have a draft" is different from you. In my opinion, it sounds like Kerry will have a foreign policy that will not require a draft, meaning no draft. It seems direct enough for me.

Bush has also stated that he is opposed to a draft.

I pray that this will be a non-issue and we don't have to worry about a draft.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1539 times:
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I guess my interpretation of "I will give us a foreign policy that absolutely makes it unnecessary to have a draft" is different from you.

Perhaps, but think of it from this standpoint - the only way Kerry could absolutely guarantee that there would never be a draft would be if we had no armed forces whatsoever.

Sure, it's unlikely that a draft will be required should we go back to pre 9/11 military strength and preparedness...but that's not a guarantee, and if Kerry is guaranteeing that there will never be a draft he's either a moron or he's saying we won't have any armed forces.

And since it's impossible for us to ever lack armed forces....

Well, you get the picture.

[Edited 2004-09-29 01:56:36]


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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

the only way Kerry could absolutely guarantee that there would never be a draft would be if we had no armed forces whatsoever... if Kerry is guaranteeing that there will never be a draft he's either a moron or he's saying we won't have any armed forces.

I don't know who you are, but you've totally lost it.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13602 posts, RR: 61
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1521 times:
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I don't know who you are, but you've totally lost it.

How do you figure? I can't wait to hear this...  Insane



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User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

I've heard that the draft may be reinstated, but can anyone give me the details? This affects me greatly, as in 3 years I will be 18 (eligible for the draft). Please no Bush vs Kerry, I would just like the straight facts.

I ask for no Bush vs Kerry... and what do I get?

Another political thread!  Wow!
FFS, can I have a non-biased answer?! This issue is causing me to lose sleep!



User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

There is the possibility that it will be reinstated, of course, with all the wars that we are fighting at the moment. HOWEVER, If you asked me whether there is even a 10% chance of it happening, I would say no. People remember what happened in Vietnam, and they won't be too willing to repeat that fiasco. And Congress knows that.

So don't worry too much about it.



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User currently offlinePPGMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

KiwiNanday,

There will be no draft for the foreseeable future, the draft legislation sponsored by mostly democrats has been cubby holed because the Republicans and the US military doesn't want the draft.

Unless there is a free fire war going on at the moment (think WWII with a draft that had no limit) it takes too long to train the type of soldier needed for the modern conflicts we face, in many cases it would take up to a year (boot, plus training schools and unit transition), by that time they only have about a year to use them. So by the time they are becoming a good soldier they have to release them from service.

That's the one of the reason that the military doesn't want draftees, on top of lowered morale of most conscripted soldiers. And it would be impossible for them to pick and chose the right attitude for the right job, because they have to deal with 2-3 times the amount of soldiers since they would be rotated out of their jobs more often.



At worst, you screw up and die.
User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

KiwiNanday, I have forwarded your user information to a contact I have inside the military. If there is a draft you will be the first called. I suggest you volunteer on your 18th birthday to serve your country (which you are apparently too chicken to do) and avoid being drafted.

User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

As long as Bush keeps sending troops over to Iraq and hundreds keep coming home in body bags, there will be a draft.


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User currently offlineORDflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

People remember what happened in Vietnam, and they won't be too willing to repeat that fiasco. And Congress knows that.
Absolutely! It would be political suicide (maybe even literal suicide, i'm sure there would be plenty of death threats) for any Congressman to vote in support of reinstating the draft, and the country would be in uproar over it. From what I have heard on the news in the past few months/years, military recruiting has stayed at somewhat steady levels. As long as they keep giving away all that college money in exchange for service they will continue to get volunteers. If anything I think before they reinstated the draft they would increase signing bonuses or whatever to encourage more volunteers. A draft would have to be a last ditch bottom of the barrel last resort!


User currently offlineUsairwys757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

Captoveur, what a very mature response. Needless to say, it doesnt surprise me one bit from you  Yeah sure. He may not want to serve in the military for whatever reason, its not our business. Thats no reason for you to insult him for not wanting to go in the draft. I'd like to see you over there in Iraq, not knowing if you will make it to see tommorow. Its not about being chicken or not. Nicely done.  Insane

25 BN747 : I agree US757... Start-ouevr, "I suggest you volunteer to serve your country (or are you too chicken to do) and avoid being drafted? BN747
26 Dl021 : Kiwinanday First things first. If there is a draft and you are of legal age there are not too many ways to avoid it other than college or family defer
27 Post contains links B757300 : Only one Republican has suggested bringing back the draft and that is UpChuck Hagel (RINO)-Neb. Hagel is just a mini-me version of McLame (RINO-Arizon
28 NW747400 : Kiwi, Man don't worry about it. I am also three years away from being 18. I seriously doubt that it will be re instated. What happens, happens don't
29 MD-90 : Bush has never said that he won't institute a draft after the next election. Remember, the Selective Service received a boost in funding recently, and
30 Dc10guy : I'm very worried about my 19 year old son ...
31 Captoveur : Actually, I am not concerned. I am fast approaching the age cut off. I excercised options I had and went to college instead of joining the military. I
32 BN747 : If there is a draft I will be first in line to volunteer. But that will happen about the time monkeys fly out of Alpha1s ass.. yeah Right! You say tha
33 Captoveur : Actually it would be a good way to get out of the house and see the world for a few years. Given how boring my life is at present I have been kicking
34 MD-90 : Low as in -13 and -11.5 diopters? I wish.
35 Boeing7E7 : To understand why there will not be a draft, one only has to look at the roll and size of the Reserve and National Guard forces today vs. the 60's.
36 Fritzi : Fritzi, piss off. The guy is asking an honest question. Get out of my face you little douchebag. He was asking a honest question, like you said, that
37 Post contains links and images B2707SST : Remember, the Selective Service received a boost in funding recently, and this was during Bush's administration. It did not: The Selective Service Bu
38 Northwest717 : KiwiNanday, I have forwarded your user information to a contact I have inside the military. If there is a draft you will be the first called. I sugges
39 L-188 : B2707ST love that cartoon. And it sums up the present situation. The democrats are trying to scare young voters by screaming draft and claiming it is
40 Dl021 : Slavery by the state is a rather strong term...look at it as a citizenship requirement. Our society has decided that if you wish to enjoy the benefits
41 Northwest717 : DI021, It is not a matter of being drafted, but rather what you are being drafted for. It is rediculous to be drafted into a war for oil. Also, some p
42 B757300 : A draft isn't slavery by the state. Look at WWII, we were forced to draft people in order to fight for our survival. I doubt many of the men who were
43 MD-90 : A draft isn't slavery by the state. You don't have a choice, now do you? Our society has decided that if you wish to enjoy the benefits of all this fr
44 NWADC9 : According to President Bush, he doesn't have any plans on calling in the draft again.
45 Northwest717 : It starts to make me wonder, all the top government officials are totally denying any draft rumours, but wouldn't they do that anyways? Would they rea
46 Mir : Dl021, can the government force someone to risk their life? I don't think so. There is the whole "right to life" part
47 FDXmech : >>>Would they really say "Oh yea, we are going to draft everybody between ages 18 and 26"? I don't think so. I am wondering if they are waiting for Bu
48 J_hallgren : Rangel (DEMOCRAT) wanted to have it so that they would draft people like kids of Republican congress/senator...he feels that it's only the low class t
49 Northwest717 : FDXmech, I'm not worrying about anything. I am mearly over-analyzing the situation. Sometimes I sit down and over analyze a topic, trying to pick it a
50 Banco : On a practical level, would not any re-instatement of conscription be political suicide for whoever brought it in? At least without a truly massive cr
51 Dl021 : nw717 I appreciate you desire not to kill anyone. I guess you are comfortable allowing others to do the killing for you in order top defend your freed
52 Post contains images Slider : Instead of being angry or anxious about the possibility of a draft, why not take some time to wrote to YOUR Congressmen/women and Senators and tell th
53 Dl021 : the WV Screwworm? Endangered? I did not know that Senator Byrd was ill!
54 Northwest717 : DI021, I would love nothing more than to help with the effort, as long as it did not involve me directly ending someone's life. I believe that killing
55 Post contains links Slider : Well, CBS has dirt on its hands again!! Surprise, surprise.... http://216.180.225.12/draft.html http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001032.php http://
56 NZblue : KiwiNanday, Didnt mean to sound rude to you, just tired of seeing all the politics crap. Fritzi, If you're "tired of seeing all the politics crap" in
57 KiwiNanday : I've created a monster... I've done what I thought I would never do... create a political thread! Shamefully, Kiwi
58 Boeing7E7 : CBS is Fk'd. What's their excuse now???
59 MD-90 : There are problems with a draft. 1. Look at how many bases in the US have been closed, especially training bases. Where would the people be trained? 2
60 BN747 : MD90 noticibly avoids Banco's questions.... if you dare. And this Slider character with more 'CBS bashing' is delusional.. this thread is about the dr
61 Post contains images Fritzi : here's an idea: AVOID entering the threads where any hint of politics is clearly stated in the topic headline! Here is another suggestion to everyone:
62 Post contains images NZblue : Well you didnt help anything with your post either. Actually, I think I did. I came to the defense of several people in here. Happily, I might add. NZ
63 Fritzi : I came to the defense of several people in here. Happily, I might add. Haha, it sounds like you think of yourself as superman or one of those looney s
64 Post contains images NZblue : I think that they can take care of themselves, no reason for you to butt in. ....and you yourself butted-in in the first place because??? Thank you fo
65 Fritzi : and you yourself butted-in in the first place because??? KiwiNanday, maybe inadvertently, posted something that had been discussed enough times before
66 Boeing7E7 : 1. Look at how many bases in the US have been closed, especially training bases. Where would the people be trained? Same place they always have been.
67 Dl021 : md90...are you going to answer my questions or should we just consider you a slavery apologist who is too cowardly to serve his country? Your last pos
68 MD11Engineer : National service was one of the achievemnts of the French Revolution, making every ablebodied person responsible for defending the country, while at t
69 KiwiNanday : National service was one of the achievemnts of the French Revolution, making every ablebodied person responsible for defending the country, while at t
70 NZblue : I'm still waiting for those 283 links.
71 DLKAPA : Slavery by the state is a rather strong term...look at it as a citizenship requirement. Fascist dictator is a rather strong term...look at him as "our
72 Dl021 : Jan....The big problem with National Service is that the portions of the military that are conscripted are generally much less professional than the p
73 MD11Engineer : DI021, Actually I would. In my opinion the risk of having a "state within the state" professional military that is only responsible to itself, with a
74 BN747 : ...but the fact of the matter is that I don't care to end up with an M-16 in the streets of Baghdad... I am too chicken to serve in the army. Kiwi, y
75 Captoveur : 00% of these 'I'll go if blah, blah, blah...' they envison themselves flying helos, jet fighters or the like. But if they are told ..."No you're getti
76 Dl021 : Jan....I would guess the reason we have different perspectives is that the Army in my country has always, but always indoctrinated itself in its schoo
77 L-188 : And for you that claim that Bush is pushing the draft, I would point out in his closing remarks during the debate he stated he wanted to keep an all-v
78 MD11Engineer : DI021, Ok, your nation´s military never suffered from a Bonaparte complex, trying to take over the country. In Germany we had a defacto military dict
79 Fritzi : I'm still waiting for those 283 links. Have you ever hear of exaggeration a$$hole? If something has been discussed twice within a short period of time
80 Dl021 : Jan....Once again we are pretty much agreeing. I recognize where the International Brigades came from...and you should not forget the British and Amer
81 MD11Engineer : The problem with the Kaiser was that he had an inferiority complex due to his crippled left arm ( a handicap since he was born). AFAIK, he was also re
82 NZblue : Have you ever hear of exaggeration a$$hole? If something has been discussed twice within a short period of time, there is no need to state the same fa
83 NZblue : ...and if I may add a post-script, that is all I am going to say on that particular matter. I am not going to waste my energy any further with replies
84 ATLhomeCMH : L-188: The draft legislation is the brainchild of one of the most racist members of congress and a democrat. The White House is against it. Yea, until
85 L-188 : Actually in another thread we discussed the fact that he in fact did volunteer for a opeation that used the IR gear on the F-102 and those worthless I
86 ATLhomeCMH : Sure, it's easy to volunteer for something when you know the unit you're attached to won't get activated...and it was most likely shut down b/c of the
87 L-188 : And you know he knew it wasn't going to happen, how??? Of course it is also pretty easy to volunteer when you know you are getting a cushy Stars and S
88 ATLhomeCMH : Of course it is also pretty easy to volunteer when you know you are getting a cushy Stars and Stripes job and two bodyguards because Papa Gore is a se
89 L-188 : I did a thread about six months ago, where I layed out Cheny's timeline during nam and showed that he was part of that geneation that graduated before
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