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At Look At The Potential Next UN Secretary-General  
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5366 posts, RR: 53
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Well it looks like ASEAN has backed a solid nominee to replace Kofi Annan as SG of the UN in Surakiart Sathirathai, the 46-year old foreign minister of Thailand. While I know that quite a few staff within the UN will be sad to see Kofi go, I think Sathirathai's basic ideas for reform, especially reforming the Trusteeship Council which has pretty much sat unused for awhile, are pretty good...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&ncid=535&e=18&u=/ap/20041002/ap_on_re_as/un_chief


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
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User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Why don't they just ask Saddam Hussein? I hear his schedule is pretty open as of a few months ago.

User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5366 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Sorry Oveur...remember? He and Roy are on their honeymoon before Saddam gets sent up the river and they have to limit themselves to conjugal visits...


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

The last 2 sec-gens were from Egypt and Ghana. Now ASEAN is proposing one from Thailand?

How about one from the West? The West pays most of the bills at the UN.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5366 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Yyz - last Asian SG was U Thant from '61 to '71. Last Western one was Javier Perez de Cueller from '82 to '91. Prior to that was Kurt Waldheim from '72 to '81. Looks to me like Asia's "due" for one...


South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days ago) and read 2134 times:

What would be nice is if the next U.N. secretary is from none other than the United States. Boy that would piss a few people off.

One day.


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Commander_Rabb, since a SG at the UN is not simply decided by a single country, you can bet that a SG from the US would, most certainly, not "piss a few people off" (at least not more people than any given SG that the UN has ever had) - because he wouldn't be of the "the UN sucks and is irrelevant"-mindset that some people seem to be unable to grow out of... if he did, he simply wouldn't be able to make it to the post of SG of the UN.

Regards,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

I've been hearing whispers that current Prime Minister of New Zealand, Hon. Helen Clark MP has a view to pursuing a career in the United Nations after her time as HOG of NZ with a view to eventually becoming Secretary-General.

QFF


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Perez de Cuellar was South American. Prior to Waldheim was another European SG, a Norwegian guy who got himself killed during the Kongo krisis, I forgot his name. Normal each continent has 10 years, but last time Asia, who´se turn it was, couldn´t decide on a new one and since most people agreed that Koofi Annan was doing a good job, he got reelected, giving Africa 15 years.

YYZ, I know you would like to introduce a poll tax, in the UN and elsewhere, to make sure that only the "haves" have a vote and not the "have nots".

Jan


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

The last 2 sec-gens were from Egypt and Ghana. Now ASEAN is proposing one from Thailand?

How about one from the West? The West pays most of the bills at the UN.


Oh yes, the West is sooo underrepresented in the entire international institutional system.  Yeah sure . in the World Bank, the IMF, the SC etc.. and

What would be nice is if the next U.N. secretary is from none other than the United States

the representation of the US is even worse... boy, how could the West be so deprived??

Too bad that that financial and not population aspects play a role here..


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Oh yes, the West is sooo underrepresented in the entire international institutional system. . in the World Bank, the IMF, the SC etc.. and

The West pays the UN bills....the head guy should be a Westerner. Also, it's logical that the un SG be from a democratic country to give the UN more credibility.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Also, it's logical that the un SG be from a democratic country to give the UN more credibility.

I don't really see how a person coming from a democratic country carries more credibility than one from a non-democratic country: the person him- or herself is important, the country they're from is, in my view, at best secondary... if at all...

Aside from the fact that the "democratic country" requirement will - in all likelihood - never be accepted by the Chinese...

Regards,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineNW747400 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Well I agree with you on this one Yyz717! I guess there's a first time for everything  Big thumbs up lol. I think that since the West foots most of the bills we should have a westerner in the SG spot.
NW747400


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

The West pays the UN bills....the head guy should be a Westerner.

 Big thumbs up Thanks for the laugh...

OK, why can the West pay more money?? Who rules the world, who explores foreign resources, who developed on the cost of the so-called Third World Countries??

Also, it's logical that the un SG be from a democratic country to give the UN more credibility.

 Big thumbs up Thanks for the second laugh..!

Following your logic, we could ask Bush - if he loses the next election - to be the next SG.. What is democratic for you? The US et al? Have you ever tried to measure democracy? Then, ever heard that even so-called Third World Countries can be democratic?? Incredible!  Wow! The US has shown how much credibility they give the UN and have brought the system to collapse in resisting any reform, together with the other P4... what you claim to be logical is not more than an unelaborated, west-centred statement..


Moreover, in terms of credibility.. if the UN represents the West, as it does already, in the same manner overproportionally, then it will even loose more of the remaining modicum of credibility it has.. thanks to the aforementioned actors..  Nuts

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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5684 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

It's about personalities not countries. BTW, did Kurt Waldheim as Sec. General give the organization more credibility???

User currently offlineIakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3312 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Jan,
Dag Hammarksjöld (sp?)was his name, and he was Swedish.
The plane carrying him (and crew and other UN members) was shot down by some who had an agenda in which he did not fit.


User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

U Thant was really on top of things...especially in Egypt in '67.


Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

I vote Bush to take that job in 08 when he has to retire from the White House...gosh how many people would hang themselves over that!

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

gosh how many people would hang themselves over that!

Would you be happy if this happened??


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

OK, why can the West pay more money?? Who rules the world, who explores foreign resources, who developed on the cost of the so-called Third World Countries??

The West got wealthy becaase of its own ingenuity and focus on commerce and science. Dont blame the West for the backwardness of the 3rd World. They are their own authors.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

If the extremist anti-Americans did, then your answer is yes, Alex

Great, then, if things continue, then we would only have Americans left (but not the India-Americans, of course...) oh World, where are thou going??


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5684 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

I vote Bush to take that job in 08 when he has to retire from the White House.

Damage caused by 4-8 years of that retard in an office with such global impact will be more than enough. Just make him a Texas governor again or some hillbilly county sheriff and...."enjoy"  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5366 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Dont blame the West for the backwardness of the 3rd World. They are their own authors.

I'd tend to disagree with this. Who were the imperial masters of the 3rd World well into the 20th century?



South Carolina - too small to be its own country, too big to be a mental asylum.
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

The West got wealthy becaase of its own ingenuity and focus on commerce and science. Dont blame the West for the backwardness of the 3rd World. They are their own authors.

 Big thumbs up Brilliant! Quote of the day!!!  Big thumbs up Thanks for the big amusement and showing me a new, alternative and original approach to modern history! Good night!

Edit: Typos due to big laughter  Big thumbs up

next Edit: Edit: Even more typos due to big laughter  Big thumbs up



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[Edited 2004-10-04 01:09:59]

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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

"The West got wealthy becaase of its own ingenuity and focus on commerce and science. Dont blame the West for the backwardness of the 3rd World. They are their own authors."

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaa! May I suggest you read something like this:



Make sure to pay close attention on "US Independence", "Boston Tea Party", "La Conquista" and similar historic facts.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
25 Post contains images Commander_Rabb : Perhaps you could give us a review of that book? Was it a good read or just a little hard to comprehend?
26 Post contains images Aloges : "Was it a good read or just a little hard to comprehend?" Just a little hard to comprehend, at the age of three.
27 Yyz717 : Try reading "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations". It explains why the West is wealthy. It is not due to colonialism which had a benign effect on Wester
28 Aloges : "It explains why the West is wealthy. It is not due to colonialism which had a benign effect on Western wealth. As I said, it is due to scientific adv
29 Yyz717 : The wealth that was basically robbed from the "Third World" could be benefitting it today - in some cases, "colonies" were a place to live, in too man
30 Srbmod : I suggest a compromise: William Jefferson Clinton
31 QANTASFOREVER : London was prosperous alone as the capital of the UK. Any gains from trade with the colonies or 3rd world were inevitably reinvested in those colonies
32 Yyz717 : Have you been to the Solomon Islands lately? Belize? Nauru? Certain parts of India? Trinidad? You can't tell me all former UK colonies got a fair deal
33 NW747400 : Again I agree with Yyz717. We got where we are today through no how nad good work ethic. Take the middle east for example in Afghanistan and Iraq(whe
34 Captoveur : I hate to correct the spelling of others BUT "We got where we are today through no how nad good work ethic." I think what you meant was: "know how and
35 NW747400 : I'm almost 16, and I know about world policies. I like that kind of stuff. I do research on it, I love to read books about it. I know a lot more than
36 BarfBag : Those places were ALWAYS poor, long before the Brits came along. The Brits left an infrastructure of cities, civil government and railroads in India.
37 QANTASFOREVER : BarfBag, I humbly yet proudly declare my profound respect for you as a result of your post. It was exceptional. QFF
38 Hkg82 : Commander_Rabb: You like posting a lot of blantant-flamebait don't you?
39 Banco : Whilst generally agreeing with much of the thrust of Barfbag's post, I think some of it is a little excessive. "Horrific brutality of British rule" is
40 QANTASFOREVER : Banco, I think you've summed things up well. It does seem to all boil down to legacy - infrastructure and stability (though not for every former colon
41 Banco : Agreed, QF. Unfortunately all too often it breaks down into a "The Empire was an unmitigated evil" and "You'd still be in mud huts if it weren't for u
42 Pacificjourney : QANTASFOREVER Frank Bainimatrama is in the Fijian Navy, rank of Commodore. I met him once in that capacity, a compelling presence in many ways and gr
43 Post contains images QANTASFOREVER : Now, the government had nothing really to do with that, but is it the responsibility of the British? Yes, I'm afraid it is. Do you think the British g
44 Banco : Do you think the British government will/should apologise for what it's been responsible for in the past? No, I don't, QFF. Where would it all end? Th
45 QANTASFOREVER : Pacificjourney, Thank you for the correction there. I would love to have the opportunity to meet the man, I'm quite an admirer of his conduct especial
46 Mrniji : Do you think the British government will/should apologise for what it's been responsible for in the past? No, I don't, QFF. Where would it all end? SO
47 QANTASFOREVER : Mrniji, I empathise with you. My family has suffered from the actions of the British government for close to 90 years, culminating in us having to lea
48 BarfBag : "Horrific brutality of British rule" is a little over the top, though undoubtedly there were horrific elements, and there were brutal people involved.
49 Post contains images Mrniji : Post-independence, for all our misguided economic policies, there has not been a single famine, while even China hit a manmade disaster in the Cultur
50 Yyz717 : Pre-independence India was characterized by successive famines that cumulatively killed tens of millions. India's severe over-population, over-crowdin
51 MD11Engineer : Concerning famine, just have a look at the Irish famine of the 1840s. It was triggered by a pest of potato plants, causing several harvests in a row t
52 Banco : This whole thing was additionally supported by the British government under the rules of pure capitalism, means maximising the profits. Sort of. But i
53 Post contains images Mrniji : India's severe over-population, over-crowding & poverty is arguably the cause of these famines. Not the British. Have you ever heard about multi-causa
54 Post contains images QANTASFOREVER : Have you ever heard about multi-causalty? That not only one but many factors explain issues like this?? Or are you talking in the same didactical and
55 NW747400 : "Hello Mr Arrogant and Mr I already know everything?? How can you know about world politics? Did you read all the 10000000000000000+x Books?? Don't y
56 Yyz717 : Have you ever heard about multi-causalty? That not only one but many factors explain issues like this?? Yes, of course. It was you however who laid al
57 Jaysit : "India remains a poverty stricken over-crowded nation 57 years after independence (despite recent economic growth) and that can only be the fault of I
58 Yyz717 : Jaysit, that is probably one of the most balanced and true analyses of India's development I've ever read. There were faults with the British rulers (
59 Post contains images Jasepl : India has had 57 years to get its economic act together since independence and still the British are being blamed. Meanwhile, much poorer countries su
60 Jaysit : "Le Pen said it best when he said that "Colonialism had a positive influence on the development of the populations that were subject to its authority.
61 Jasepl : I didn't mean to imply by posting that quote that the Raj was the only salvation for the wretched masses of the Subcontinent, or of anywhere else. For
62 Post contains images BarfBag : I see absolutely no reason to acknowledge our failure at economic development post independence every time the topic of the brutal British rule over I
63 Jaysit : I tend to agree with most of what you said, Barfbag, but given the inevitability of colonial rule in India, many argue that the Brits were the best of
64 BarfBag : I tend to agree with most of what you said, Barfbag, but given the inevitability of colonial rule in India, many argue that the Brits were the best of
65 Jaysit : "I'm just attempting to balance the picture you paint that the British were a better option." I'm not stating that they were as a fact. Its just a con
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