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Hurricane Andrew Conspiracy (Freaky)  
User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

Living in Florida for the last 15 years I have had to live with the risk of Hurricanes hitting (especially this year) us. These experiences have made me very interested in Hurricanes and their history. I have been doing extensive research on Hurricane Andrew and accidentally found the following link: http://www.whereheavensmeet.com/andrew/articles/nexus.html

I dont believe any of it for 1 second.

Here are a few of my questions:

1. Can a Hurricane possibly have sustained winds of 214 MPH escalating up to 350 MPH? Sounds more like an F5 Tornado (And their were no confirmed Tornado's in Florida during Hurricane Andrew)

2. I just spoke to my coworker that lived in Hialeah during Andrew and she said that they evacuated everything in the MIA/FLL Metro area as well as the Keys.

3. Why is this guy the only person who has come out with something like this?

4. The writer said the winds immediatly struck with no warning. In my Hurricane experiences the winds gradually pick up but not like this guy said.

5. I was living in Central Florida watching the track of the storm and I remember them saying it looks like it will strike Miami dead on.

If anyone on this website has any experiences, information or knows anything about this please let me know.

I personally think this guy was smoking some serious crack!

-Delta767300ER

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User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7273 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Andrew Winds where 155MPH.
I was in Miami Beach and went south to Kendall ( closer to the storm.) It was expected to hit Broward Plam Beach. But 5 Degree! That would be Key West or more. MIA is around 25.5 and Broward Palm Beach line 26.1-3 Every degree is 50 or 70 miles. 5 degrees I dont think so.
He is the only one because he is crazy.
Yea the winds did not strike with no warning. But compared to other hurricanes it was very quick. Fast small moving storm. No flooding with Andrew. My house in Miami Beach had not much damage maybe a broken window or two and no power for 2 weeks.
The reason so many homes went down in Homestead was because they were trailors and under code homes. Normal strong homes would still have alot of damage but nothing like the homes had then. Miami-Dade county now has the strongest building codes in FL if not in the country.
48 died I think. Please what a stupid story. Hence Story not ture fairy tale.
(No Spell Check Sorry.)



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

I was living in Hialeah when Andrew hit. It was bad (I remember hearing my second-floor roof lifting and slamming back down repeatedly while I tried to sleep) but personally, Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne did more damage to me and my family than Andrew did. Of course, working in So. Fla. everyone knew someone who had lost everything but I wouldn't buy into any "conspiracy theory" concerning any hurricanes. They are natural phenomena, nothing more, nothing less!

I'll bet this idiot (along with anyone who lends any credence to his "theory", also believes the headline in the Weekly World News that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida's < SP? > "Hurricane Machine" was the cause of the four Florida hurricanes this year! GET REAL!

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4229 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

3. Why is this guy the only person who has come out with something like this?



Well..because he's the only person stupid enough to think of it.



Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineThecoz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Contrary to what the American news media broadcast across the United States and throughout Europe, the first outer wall of winds unexpectedly slammed into South Dade packing 214+ mph winds, which quickly escalated to 350+ mph.

Probably just someone watching thier blender while on acid...


User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

I hadn't read this idiot's drivel before I posted previously. I couldn't get past that "first emergency alert". What a crock of shit! The South Dade area that was devastated is several miles inland from where Andrew came on shore. The "5 minutes before the outer wall of winds hit us..." is just that - a bunch of crap. Certainly, they were expecting Andrew to hit closer to the Dade-Broward County line, but it only shifted about 1 degree south and hit near Old Cutler Road in the Matheson Hammock area. From there to Homestead, where the greatest devastation was, is about 10-15 miles as the crow flies. Andrew was a small and fast-moving storm, moving about 15 MPH. At that speed, do the math, South Dade had at least an hour notice from when the first winds hit the shoreline (coincidentally, that area also is home to the one local news station where the weather anchor was cited for his service to the community during Andrew - Bryan Norcross).

This whole thing is a giant, stinking, steaming pile of fresh cow patties and this guy is nothing more than a dung beetle, living off those fresh piles!

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Hurricane Camille came ashore in 1969 with winds around 200mph so its possible that Andrew could pack winds close to that. That being said, I'm not sure the 350mph gusts are quite logical. That being said, this guy sounds like a wacko and I will believe the National Wether Service's call on this Hurricane.

User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

KROC: Hurricane Andrew had winds reported at Independant sites in excess of over 200 MPH. I believe the weather service to. Its amazing that 10 years after Andrew they upgraded it from a Cat 4 to a Cat 5.

MxCtrlr: Cutler Ridge got hit very bad. By any chance are you familiar with the famous Holiday Inn that is in this link http://www.stormeyes.org/tornado/SkyPix/holidayn.htm I know its not a Holiday Inn anymore but do you have any idea what chain owns it now? Its amazing that even though it sustained a lot of damage to the doors, windows, railings and the sign it survived the storm.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

I knew Andrew had winds of 200mph plus, but they were not sustained winds (at least thats what I was lead to believe).

User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Freaky? I'm inclined to classify this as a piece of poorly-written, poor-taste fiction. It would be interesting to know WHEN this piece of drivel was first 'published', however. Regards...Jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineSaxman66 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

He also states that Andrew was the worst natural disaster in the history of the US. Yet I believe the Galveston hurricane of 1900 was the worst. It took 6,000 lives. But obviously, since this is on the internet, this guy must be right. (everything we read must be true right?) jk

This is like the person saying a 757 didn't really hit the Pentegon.

Chris



Ride Amtrak!
User currently offlineMxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

He also states that Andrew was the worst natural disaster in the history of the US. Yet I believe the Galveston hurricane of 1900 was the worst.

In terms of death toll, the 1900 Galveston hurricane was the worst however, in terms of monetary damage, Andrew (for the time being at least) stands as the costliest natural disaster in U.S. history and the costliest Atlantic Hurricane ever.

By any chance are you familiar with the famous Holiday Inn that is in this link

Yes, I am familiar with that particular Holiday Inn (I once, as a teenager, participated in a walk-a-thon from that Holiday Inn to the Holiday Inn in Key West - 125 miles in 4 days). I haven't been down that way in years (even before Andrew went through - 1991 was the last time I was down in that area) so I don't know what chain owns it now or if it even still stands.

I also seem to remember hearing about a piece wind measuring equipment near where Andrew came on shore, actually exploding from the wind gusts.

MxCtrlr  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.  Smokin cool



DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Shame - the poor guy who wrote the piece did say he suffered from serious head injuries. I think it shows.

User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Hey, Thats a long walk! I bet you lost some weight from it. Thanks for the info. in the Holiday Inn.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

I heard the storm had one wind gust of 214 mph, so that's where that figure comes from. But that was a gust. The 155 mph sustained wind figure and the National Hurricane Center report is correct.

User currently offlineCorpsnerd09 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

They actually can't really confirm what the highest winds were. Right as the 2nd eye wall beagn to be measured, the wind knocked out all the weather measurement devices. Currently, the highest measured sustained wind speed was 177 MPH, recorded by a local resident at his home. 214MPH is the highest wind gust...

Who knows how high those winds could've gone.

Just look at Homestead and Florida City!

Have you seen the picture of the reporter who's rental car was pushed upward onto the concrete barrier... still upright. Those winds lifted a car and placed it ontop of another car without flipping it over! They had to be over 200.



If you really want to do it, you will find a way; if you don't, you'll make excuses.
User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

I was living in North Miami Beach, and was only a couple of months old in 1992. My parents had some cousins in Kendall, so we went to their apartment there to ride out the storm, since it was originally expected to hit more to the north (Does anyone else notice how Charley was almost a complete repeat of this? Originally planned to hit Tampa, then turning at the last moment and hitting Ft. Myers). And, well, Andrew came, and I was fortunate enough to be right smack-dab in the middle of the f***ing eyewall. No relief from the eye even! Just three f***ing hours of the eyewall!  Pissed

I heard the storm had one wind gust of 214 mph, so that's where that figure comes from. But that was a gust. The 155 mph sustained wind figure and the National Hurricane Center report is correct.

What I heard is that when the 214 mph wind gust hit, it destroyed all of the weather measuring equipment and knocked down a satellitle antennae on top of the National Hurricane Center. So the winds could've been higher. That might've just been an extrememly rare wind gust. We will never know.

I still get the chills whenever I think about Andrew.  Sad

Does anyone happen to know where that Holiday Inn was located? I'm going down into Homestead tomorrow by way of the Turnpike to pick up something that I bought on eBay and wanted to stop and see it as it is now.

EDIT: The Holiday Inn, or whatever it is now, is on the corner of SW. 211th St. and the Florida Turnpike Homestead Extension, just south of the Cutler Ridge Mall.

[Edited 2004-10-09 18:48:00]

User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Thanks for the info. about the hotel. Wasnt that where the weather channel guys stayed?

Also the NHC said the strongest winds were along the northern eyewall but the damage in Homestead and Florida City were on the southern eyewall.

-Delta767300ER


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