Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:
"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."
So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?...
As you can see in the video he clearly takes an item from the inner pocket of his coat and places it on the podium, later to unfold it. Some have claimed it was just a pen (even that would've been in breach of the rules of the debate!), but in my view it clearly looks like some kind of paper. Any one who has ever had to debate someone else knows that having your talking points right in front of you would be an obvious advantage. I don't know, but this is pretty shameful and dishonest conduct for a presidential candidate to have engaged in if it is found that he brought notes to the debate with him.
Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 41 Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3451 times:
If you would have been watching C-Span you would have seen that both candidates had pens out and were writing vigourously when they were not speaking.
Why don't you try reading next time?
What about this is so hard to understand?
"Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 71 Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3420 times:
You know, if you actually keep your eyes open while watching the video, you'll realize that Kerry did not have his back to the audience but was turning - and he's in full view of the audience and the moderator while he's got his hand in his inside pocket and while he's taking it out... they'd have had to be completely blind not to see it - and even President Bush is practically looking in that direction...
Strange that the administration doesn't seem to be intent on making more out of this - so, I'd say, the general consensus is:
Jamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3402 times:
Thought I'd see this topic on here...certainly looks like he is taking something out of his pocket...and his back IS to the audience as he pulls it out, happens to be mid-turn...and he certainly appears to be opening something up as he places whatever "it" is on the podium.
Interesting too that the Kerry staffer doesn't address the fact that he took something out of his pocket.
Oh..and Sol what does Fox News have to do with any of this?
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 71 Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3361 times:
N312RC, I could have agreed with you if you hadn't posted that picture of the "Obsession" package in the "More Lies from Bush" (or whatever the title was) thread... but that somewhat removed you from the list of the unbiased...
Jamesag96, look again - he's got his back to most of the audience when he puts his hand into his jacket, but from that point on, he starts turning - at the point where he starts pulling out his hand, he's already clearly in the view of about half the audience...
And now I'll repeat the last line of my post from that "Lies from Bush" thread:
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3347 times:
So then BOTH candidates must be shameful and dishonest?
Yeah, got it! tHis is the most sensible statement I have read for a long time here, really!
Too bad the election issue is marginalized on the issue whether or not it is good to have a pen..
People - the discussion culture here is on a great decline and shows how the civil society is decreasing... tomorrow you will discuss that you will vote for candidate A because he prefers the diary product of a post-modern milkfarm in Arkansas instead of Nebraska... man.............
Jamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3346 times:
Well you and I may look at the same video and see different things...we both agree that he put his hand in his pocket and pulled something out and appears to open "it" up...which would be against the rules.
Eh...maybe he just got cold and is using a handwarmer.
Rsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3296 times:
For the next debate I suggest that the Debate Committee check the insides of Bushes ears for a reciver.........it seems as though Bush was on seven second delay Thursday and was providing filler with the words ....uh uhhuh..mmmm.....work.....will work....working......
Drudge is noting more than a right wing repug spinster......the video is a fake and recived by the website by a computer located at a KInkos.