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Video: John Kerry Cheating At The Debate  
User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc57.htm

DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?

Section 5, pages 4-5 of the binding "Memorandum of Understanding" that was negotiated and agreed upon by both political campaigns states:

"No props, notes, charts, diagrams, or other writings or other tangible things may be brought into the debate by either candidate.... Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."

So what did Dem presidential contender John Kerry take out of his jacket as he approached the stage [with his back to the auditorium's audience]?...


And now for the video...
http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/winners-never-cheat.html

As you can see in the video he clearly takes an item from the inner pocket of his coat and places it on the podium, later to unfold it. Some have claimed it was just a pen (even that would've been in breach of the rules of the debate!), but in my view it clearly looks like some kind of paper. Any one who has ever had to debate someone else knows that having your talking points right in front of you would be an obvious advantage. I don't know, but this is pretty shameful and dishonest conduct for a presidential candidate to have engaged in if it is found that he brought notes to the debate with him.


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Some have claimed it was just a pen (even that would've been in breach of the rules of the debate!),

If you would have been watching C-Span you would have seen that both candidates had pens out and were writing vigourously when they were not speaking.

Any one who has ever had to debate someone else knows that having your talking points right in front of you would be an obvious advantage.

See above statement.

I don't know, but this is pretty shameful and dishonest conduct for a presidential candidate

So then BOTH candidates must be shameful and dishonest?


User currently offlineShawn Patrick From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2608 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Alright. Now - who really cares?

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

Oh, give me a break!  Insane

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineDan-air From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

DEBATE MYSTERY: Does George Bush have a frikkin' clue about anything?

The evidence we saw Thursday would suggest not....

[Edited 2004-10-03 22:05:33]

User currently offlineRacko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

Ah, the drudge report. How's Kerry's affair with that intern going?

User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3628 times:

If you would have been watching C-Span you would have seen that both candidates had pens out and were writing vigourously when they were not speaking.

Why don't you try reading next time?

What about this is so hard to understand?

"Each candidate must submit to the staff of the Commission prior to the debate all such paper and any pens or pencils with which a candidate may wish to take notes during the debate, and the staff or commission will place such paper, pens and pencils on the podium..."



America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

You know, if you actually keep your eyes open while watching the video, you'll realize that Kerry did not have his back to the audience but was turning - and he's in full view of the audience and the moderator while he's got his hand in his inside pocket and while he's taking it out... they'd have had to be completely blind not to see it - and even President Bush is practically looking in that direction...

Strange that the administration doesn't seem to be intent on making more out of this - so, I'd say, the general consensus is:

Nobody cares!



Regards,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Jcs17:

I can tell you´ve been watching Fox News!  Insane

Micke/SE



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User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Thought I'd see this topic on here...certainly looks like he is taking something out of his pocket...and his back IS to the audience as he pulls it out, happens to be mid-turn...and he certainly appears to be opening something up as he places whatever "it" is on the podium.

Interesting too that the Kerry staffer doesn't address the fact that he took something out of his pocket.

Funny stuff.

Oh..and Sol what does Fox News have to do with any of this?



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2682 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

"Nobody cares" when someone brings up a conspiracy theory involving Kerry, but everybody jumps on the bandwagon when someone brings one up about Bush...


Please folks, save it. You all are so biased that its sickening.



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

Who was cheating about mass destruction weapons in Iraq???

User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

"Who was cheating about mass destruction weapons in Iraq???"

Nice diversion...but since it was asked the answer would be possibly every intelligence agency in the world.



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineNonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

I've got a crazy theory about this...Hear me out...

Kerry actually won on his own merits.

If Kerry wins the election, get ready for 4 years of crap like this from the right, just like they did with Clinton.

B



User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

NRK...not that I am buying into any of this...but why not speak to him doing something that "appears" to be against the rules.

Lets say hypothetically he did take a piece of paper full of "facts and figures" in with him, and referred to it during the debate...would you have a problem with that?



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

N312RC, I could have agreed with you if you hadn't posted that picture of the "Obsession" package in the "More Lies from Bush" (or whatever the title was) thread... but that somewhat removed you from the list of the unbiased...

Jamesag96, look again - he's got his back to most of the audience when he puts his hand into his jacket, but from that point on, he starts turning - at the point where he starts pulling out his hand, he's already clearly in the view of about half the audience...

And now I'll repeat the last line of my post from that "Lies from Bush" thread:

Give it a rest - both sides!

Regards,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

So then BOTH candidates must be shameful and dishonest?

Yeah, got it! tHis is the most sensible statement I have read for a long time here, really! Big grin

Too bad the election issue is marginalized on the issue whether or not it is good to have a pen..

People - the discussion culture here is on a great decline and shows how the civil society is decreasing... tomorrow you will discuss that you will vote for candidate A because he prefers the diary product of a post-modern milkfarm in Arkansas instead of Nebraska... man.............  Sad


User currently offlineJamesag96 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Well you and I may look at the same video and see different things...we both agree that he put his hand in his pocket and pulled something out and appears to open "it" up...which would be against the rules.

Eh...maybe he just got cold and is using a handwarmer.



Why Kate, You're not wearing a bustle. How lewd.
User currently offlineNW747400 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Jamesag96, it has nothing to do with foxnews. Solanbo just sometimes forgets to take his anger pills and tends to take out that anger on the Republicans on here  Laugh out loud
NW747400


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3484 times:


What a shocking revelation here.

Lets forget about Iraq and switch to full coverage of this

scandalous John Kerry Cheating

 Big grin


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Solanbo just sometimes forgets to take his anger pills and tends to take out that anger on the Republicans on here

What an in-depth analysis...  Wow! Dude, your arguments are so strong that we shall rest in peace and tranquility now..


User currently offlineRsmith6621a From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 194 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3473 times:





For the next debate I suggest that the Debate Committee check the insides of Bushes ears for a reciver.........it seems as though Bush was on seven second delay Thursday and was providing filler with the words ....uh uhhuh..mmmm.....work.....will work....working......


Drudge is noting more than a right wing repug spinster......the video is a fake and recived by the website by a computer located at a KInkos.



Did You Ever Think Freedom Could Be this Bad
User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Did they force you to believe this as part of the 'straight party' voting system?

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Maybe Bush was on cocaine again...

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3464 times:
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25 Srbmod : Looking at this video, you really can't even tell whatever it is that Kerry took out of his jacket pocket. This is just an attempt by a conservative-l
26 Post contains images Udo : So, will Kerry's mystery paper be soon declared a part of the Axis of Evil? Will the paper be bombed to pieces or just invaded, or both? How shameful
27 Post contains images N312RC : Just to show a certain someone Im unbiased, Here you go...
28 Mir : If Kerry cheated, then shame on him, but it won't stop me from voting for him. But in a debate where Bush basically beat himself, what does it really
29 MBMBOS : Here's my theory: Kerry removed a specially-designed pen from his coat that emits a jet of STUPID GAS to distances up to twenty feet, rendering his de
30 Redngold : Anybody stop to think it might have been a HANDKERCHIEF?
31 L410Turbolet : Here's my theory: Kerry removed a specially-designed pen from his coat that emits a jet of STUPID GAS to distances up to twenty feet, rendering his de
32 Mrniji : No, the pen was the WMD Bush was looking for in Iraq.. Kerry was hiding them in order to prevent Bush from a success.. that bastard.. Who cares, I wil
33 Post contains images Aloges : and lest I forget
34 Jamesag96 : Wow...this thread turned out to be pretty funny.
35 Dc10guy : I'll bet if Kerry gets elected this will be the first hearing the republicans have against him ....
36 BR715-A1-30 : Well, They had to cheat on something or they wouldn't be politicians...
37 Sebolino : And the big republican crying is beginning. Just because Kerry has a brain and can speak to an audience doesn't mean he cheated. It just means the USA
38 Pacificjourney : I'm shocked, blatant cheating in a rigged debate, whatever next ? Check the video, you'll notice Mr. Bush unfolds something as well. Using illustrator
39 Hkg82 : Jcs17: Very very unlikely Kerry was cheating. You think that if in the very unlikely next-to-impossible scenario he did cheat that nobody would notice
40 Post contains images Falcon84 : Kerry wins, and decisively, in the first debate. But instead of owning up to it, the right has to bring out garbage like this. And guys like Jcs17 and
41 Post contains images BestWestern : Kerry should go onto Bush's Axis of Evil So far this month I nominate Airbus John Kerry
42 Qb001 : Next thing the Republicans will say is that Kerry got the questions in advance... Ooops, forgot; they already have said that, haven't they???
43 Post contains images Udo : Maybe the Republicans soon accuse Kerry of time travelling? How else would it be possible - without a mystery paper - to deal with the speaking puppet
44 Jamesag96 : Alpha...you'll notice I said it looks like he is removing something from his pocket, and it appears as if he is opening whatever "it" is as he turns t
45 Post contains links CPH-R : Just picked this up at the ever so liberal NY Post: http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/31273.htm SNIP Many blogs offered links to the "Pocket-gat
46 TACAA320 : "Nice diversion...but since it was asked the answer would be possibly every intelligence agency in the world. " Diversion? Are we talking about cheati
47 Post contains images An-225 : It was a picture of Monical Lewinsky signed by Bill Clinton. Sort of like a good luck charm, you know. Alex
48 Post contains links and images NonRevKing : "NRK...not that I am buying into any of this...but why not speak to him doing something that "appears" to be against the rules. Damn James, you're rig
49 Jamesag96 : Mountain out of a mole hill warning but since NRK is such a smart ass...even taking a pen out of his pocket is against the rules. They were to submit
50 Post contains links and images CPH-R : Maybe you guys can start a federal probe for all this. Assign an "independent” counslour. What's Ken Starr doing these days? I believe he's working
51 Post contains images BestWestern : Bush's Axis of Evil hit list So far this month I nominate Airbus John Kerry Note Cards that look like Black pens in frame by frame snapshots.
52 Jamesag96 : Special thanks to Michale Mo...er...Digby. Sheesh, read like a transcript.
53 Post contains images Klaus : CPH-R: BTW, since we're all so good at jumping to conclusions, I'd like to know what the highlighted bit on Dubya's back is. Looks like a standard Blu
54 Garnetpalmetto : Klaus - sorry, but I think it's just Bush's pull-cord. You know, pull it and you'll get to hear one of several pre-recorded phrases for Dubya to blath
55 Post contains images Klaus : Garnetpalmetto: Klaus - sorry, but I think it's just Bush's pull-cord. Quite possible from what we´ve seen... I just didn´t think they´d use the lo
56 Jaysit : Well, at least Dubya got an F on the debates on his own merit.
57 Damirc : What will they say next time Kerry wins the next debate? That he had an earpiece surgically implanted to get answers from his handlers? Now, now ... D
58 Flyingbronco05 : It was a pen....... FB05
59 USAirways737 : Everyone I watched the debate with noticed that lump on GWB too. We also caught something similar on Kerry when we looked hard enough. It could be a b
60 Post contains images Jaysit : "Everyone I watched the debate with noticed that lump on GWB too." That was his head. Sorry, you just set yourself up for that one !!
61 CPH-R : I must admit, it does look like a pull cord - probably set off standard remarks such as "Terra", "Saddam", "Nuculear" or "Flip-flop".
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