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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Why haven't you learned how to pump your own gas?

I was driving down to DC after a long weekend in NY and ended up at a Sunoco rest stop off of I-95 waiting to fill up for 1 hour and 15 minutes! The reason was because all the pumps in NJ are full service and this station only had about 5 guys working at the time. Now please someone in New Jersey tell me why I can't fill up my own tank. Do the gasoline service attendents union have some kind of inside connection in your state gov't? Are you trying to keep all of these high paying jobs alive in your struggling economy? Or do you really not know how to pump your own gas?

Whatever the reason I'm filling up in Delaware next time.

ohh yeah and why do you have to hire people to hand out tickets at the toll when you get on the NJ turnpike? The rest of the world uses little machines that automatically give you a ticket when you push a button but in NJ they actually have someone hand them to you.

Do you have a state law that promotes inefficeincy?





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User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

It reminds me of the joke,

Do you know why NJ has the highest number of toxic waste dumps per capita in the country and Washington DC has the highest number of attorneys per capita?

NJ got to pick first.


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4130 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

The rest of the world uses little machines that automatically give you a ticket when you push a button but in NJ they actually have someone hand them to you.

Or they could move futher up the ladder and use the pre-paid transponders along with ticket machines!

Doesn't NJ also spend ridiculous amount of money on troopers to make sure that everyone on the Parkway is going the speed limit? I'm sure if you put all those people to work in Newark, it could actually become a decent city  Laugh out loud.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

NUAir,

Oregon also doesn't allow Self-Serve gas as well. I'm not too fond of the No Self-Serve rule either. Regarding your waiting, my suggestion to you would've been (unless your car was on fumes) to drive up to the next service area and gas up there. New Jersey full-serve prices are usually cheaper than most other states' self-serves.

As far as the tollbooths on the NJ Turnpike's concerned. There is at least one tollbooth at each plaza that's marked "Cars Only". These particular booth have the machines that spit out toll tickets.



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User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

Yes, NJ, along with Oregon, and Japan) bans self-service of motor vehicle fuels. This has been a long standing law in NJ, going back maybe to the 1930's. In large part, this goes back to when gas stations were usually operated by independent business people, usually with garages, and to prevent the takeover of all gas stations by the big oil companies (although that happened long ago). Still the association that represents the dwindling number of independent gas station owners keeps paying off the politicians to lobby for no change in the law. That was true years ago (1970's) when I worked in gas stations and still true today. Ironicly, all gas stations built, replaced or remodeled for many years have been designed for possible future self-serve use. There should be a law structured so attendent service is available for a slightly higher per gallon cost, like $.05/ gal. more (as in CA, some states) and at no higher rate for mobility handicapped. Still, in NJ we have among the lowest prices for gasoline in the USA, and still have service.

User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

Unfortunately a co-worker just gave me a link to a site indicating that I was right. People in NJ like inefficeincy, they aren't smart enough to pump gas, and they need these awsome jobs to stay in the economy because it really is that bad.

This is from a Yahoo search:

The Garden State is one of two states where it's illegal to fill 'er up yourself. Only gas station owners or employees can pump gas in New Jersey and Oregon -- "the only two states atavistic, sadistic, and masochistic enough to still require thousands of 'professionals' to waste time, money, and inconvenience customers.

The ban on self-service gas stations is a highly combustible issue and makes for some heated debates. New Jersey passed the law making it illegal to pump your own gas in 1949. At the time, legislators felt it was too dangerous to have untrained people dispensing such a flammable liquid.

That may have been sensible at the time, but pumping gas is much safer today, and some motorists feel the ban is outdated and needs to go. Opponents of the law argue that removing it would lower the cost of gas and make refueling much quicker and more convenient. Proponents of the ban argue that it creates jobs and customers like full service.



...ok just to point out to any NJ or OR people who "like full service." In my state, Wisconsin as well as DC, and almost every other state I have been to you still have the full service option. However, you do have to watch out with untrained people operating these technological marvels.

Funny this reminds me of something from Zoolander...

Was he supposed to be from New Jersey or was it West Virginia?




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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

PHL,

I really looked for that lane and it doesnt exist. I even asked the woman who has the painstaking job of handing out tickets and she confirmed that they do not use machines.

....and yes I was on fumes. I was stuck in the Holland Tunnel for a little longer than an eternity and I was cut off before having the chance to get off in the gas station ally on the NJ side by one of New York's finest (police mon). The Holland Tunnel probably deserves its own post, It will be titled "NY? What the F#$@!?! "



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

NUAir,

I last used the Turnpike a couple of times in the past month. Those lanes do exist! I used them getting on at EXITS 7A (I-195) & 11 (GSP).

In the not-too distant past, I've also seen "Cars Only" booths at EXITS 3 (Route 168), 6 (PA Turnpike Connector & US 130), 7 (US 206), & 10 (I-287/Route 440).

It's quite possible that prior to EZ Pass, there may have been a few more "Cars Only" lanes around. Nonetheless, the booths are still out there; they're usually located towards the middle of the toll plazas.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7810 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

The New York State Thruway, I-90 and I-87 south of Albany, have toll booth attendants that hand out the toll cards. And for each exit you usually have at least 3-5 attendents working a toll plaza... even out in middle of nowhere NY. I haven't seen any automatic ticket dispensers, but EZPASS lanes are more and more plentiful.


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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

What they are trying to avoid...from Zoolander (the gasoline fight combined with a cigarette)




"they died in a tragic gaso-LEEN accident"



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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

Living in NJ, I know that my parents don't mind in the slightest that they don't have to pump their own gas. My dad hates getting the unremovable gasoline smell on his hands, and he also likes the fact that he doesn't have to touch the handle that has been possibly contaminated with all sorts of things. Our gas prices are much cheaper than surrounding areas - right over the border in Rockland County, NY, it is at least $0.20 more a gallon. I find it very funny when my dad has no clue how to operate the pump when we go on vacation. We stopped to get gas by LAX before returning the car to Hertz, and he was convinced that we had to watch the gauge to make sure it didn't overfill. I didn't bother to argue the fact that it stopped automatically. He's not a stupid guy (he went to Penn for dental school), but sometimes I feel as if the lights are on but nobody's home.

As for waiting an hour and fifteen minutes, I don't know what to tell you. I don't think I ever been in the car with my parents and waited more than a minute or two to get gas unless circumstances were really unusual (such as a hurricane).


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Personally, I really like being able to roll down my window and yell "Fill it" to the attendent in January. and in august I like to stay in my airconditioned car and do the same thing.

The law does protect independent gas stations and therefore keeps competition in the state healthy, which is why as someone pointed out, gas is 5 to 10 cents cheaper in NJ than in PA, DE or NY.

But if you really want to pay more, and freeze your ass off pumping your own gas, by all means stay the hell out of NJ.

You probably lack the wit to use a jughandle as well.

Welcome to New Jersey, leave your money in Atlantic City and get out only the strong survive here.


User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

I've always lived in NJ and love the fact I don't pump my own gas and infact find it strange that you must do it yourself out-of-state or be gouged. It's normal.

Also don't form an opinion of full service gas stations from filling up on the Turnpike (that's the worst possible place), have some foresight and fill up prior to leaving.

And guess what, most gas stations will let you stick the nozzle in the tank and squeeze, if that floats your boat.

>>>People in NJ like inefficeincy, they aren't smart enough to pump gas, and they need these awsome jobs to stay in the economy because it really is that bad.<<<

What's the matter, someone else pumping your gas leaves too much time on your hands? Just pop another pill, whydontcha?
Apparently you're the type we see every so often backing up on the NJTP or GSP looking for your missed exit.

>>>I really looked for that lane and it doesnt exist. I even asked the woman who has the painstaking job of handing out tickets and she confirmed that they do not use machines.<<<

I'll bet you were a hit, backing up traffic, asking innane questions to some harried toll keeper, zig-zagging to and fro looking for your, Holy Grail, toll lane.

>>>The rest of the world uses little machines that automatically give you a ticket when you push a button....<<<

Wow, you exist in a very advanced civilization. When your ultra highly evolved planet discover EZ Pass, give me a ring.

>>>....and yes I was on fumes. I was stuck in the Holland Tunnel for a little longer than an eternity and I was cut off before having the chance to get off in the gas station ally on the NJ side by one of New York's finest (police mon).<<<

For your car to be on fumes, it must have been idling since it left the factory....Foresight young fella, foresight.
And now it's the cops fault, you must be the excuse book world record holder - congrats.....mon.

>>>The Holland Tunnel probably deserves its own post, It will be titled "NY? What the F#$@!?! "<<<

How about, "Me", What the f#######?!

You must be the posterchild for this months copy of "Road Rage".



You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Man most of this post was done in a joking manner. I guess NJ people are a little defensive on this subject as they should be.

Ok so how about some real facts on this forum.

The latest OPIS (industry standard) prices indicate the following avg. retail price.

NJ - $1.78
NY - $1.99
PA - $1.85
MD - $1.82
DE - $1.83

So this would support your arguement that hey having people fill up your pump is cheaper...

Umm but most of this difference is from the tax rate. Here are the state and federal tax rates for a gallon of gas in the same states.

NJ - $0.329
NY - $0.487
PA - $0.451
MD - $0.419
DE - $0.414

So I'm not sure how you can give any credit at all to how full service has any correlation to lower gas prices. In fact it is quite the opposite as the full service pump attendent adds an average of $0.03 to the price.

If you want further indications of this look at the other state, Oregon, where they pay higher prices for gas then all of their neighbors except California (which has stricter fuel standards) and gas taxes are about even.

Now the fact that you have this law has nothing to do with if full service exists. In all other 48 states (OR being the other exception) we still have full service and we can still have someone fill up our tanks on the freezing cold days or super hot days. We have an option!!

The law in NJ was put on the books in 1949 when "legislators felt it was too dangerous to have untrained people dispensing such a flammable liquid". As this has so far proven to be completely untrue this law is a little outdated and the reason for this posting is why hasnt it been repealed or changed.

...a question which nobody has been able to answer

keep in mind the question and post was not why did I drive on fumes in NY and wait to fill up in NJ, or why dont I just go and fill up somewhere else. I dont need an answer from anyone on that, I already know the answer.

Now, as far as the toll booths give me a break. Yes I know what the EZPass is and my old car up in MA had an EZPass but when you live in a state with no tolls such as Wisconsin you have no need for one so when you travel to toll states you have to get a ticket or pay a set amount. Now I have traveled through many many many toll roads and almost all of them, with the exeption of NJ, have a machine that you push a button and get a ticket. This is much faster and leads to decreased bottlenecks. However, in NJ (at least on the main enterance to the turnpike) you have to have a ticket handed to you when you get on. Now the question is why is this necessary?

...a question which nobody has been able to answer




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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

Now I have traveled through many many many toll roads and almost all of them, with the exception of NJ, have a machine that you push a button and get a ticket.

NUAir,

In the "Cars Only" lane that I have referred to in my earlier posts (Replies #3 & 7), one doesn't need to push a button to get a toll ticket. The ticket spits out of the machine shortly after the previous motorist grabs his ticket.

Should you find yourself needing to use the NJ Turnpike again for your travels, just look for the BIG YELLOW signs that say CARS ONLY as you approach the tollbooths. These signs are located slightly below the toll lane signals.

Trust me, as one who has used the NJ Turnpike many times over the last 14 years; these lanes, although few, do still exist. However, it is quite possible that these lanes are subject to closure at times for machine maintenance or ticket re-stocking. When these lanes are closed, the Cars Only sign is usually raised so that it's not visable from the approaching motorists. It's quite possible that the Cars Only booth at your entrance might've been closed.

As far as inefficiency and lunacy of tollbooths are concerned, one only needs to look at the close proximity relationship between the Delaware Valley interchange (EXIT 358/US 13) and the Delaware River Turnpike Bridge (Eastern Gateway) tollbooths of the Pennsylvania Turnpike. If one is coming/going to NJ (via the Turnpike Connector/Future I-95) but uses the Delaware Valley interchange, one has to make stops or go through via EZPass 2 toll plazas within less than a one mile distance. Why the PA Turnpike Authority didn't just have the westbound exit and eastbound entrance ramps just bypass the EXIT 358 toll plaza and go to the East Gateway plaza only when the road was built back in the 50s is beyond me. To a degree, the NJ did something similar with the now gone EXIT 6A (also built in the 50s) and the new US 130 interchange just across the river.

Fortunately, this oversight will be corrected when Eastern Gateway toll plaza gets relocated west of the future I-95 interchange; but that won't happen until about 2012.




"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1458 times:

>>>Now I have traveled through many many many toll roads and almost all of them, with the exeption of NJ, have a machine that you >push a button and get a ticket. This is much faster and leads to decreased bottlenecks. However, in NJ (at least on the main enterance to the turnpike) you have to have a ticket handed to you when you get on. Now the question is why is this necessary?<<<

My great grandad had to "push a button" to get a ticket when he was herding oxen down the Turnpike. Pushing a button is fine when the volume of traffic is approximately 14 cars an hour.
Prior to EZ Pass, the ticket would automatically be ready as you pulled up to the booth from a machine designed specifically for this purpose. Do you doubt me? As proof I suggest you watch the, Soprano's, on TV. During the opening credits, Tony Soprano actually reaches out of his window to grab the ticket from the NJTP ticket machine. Prior to EZ Pass, I performed the exact same function for over 20 years though with considerably less fanfare.

Now quite possibly with the advent of EZ Pass, some toll takers job, having been made redundant from EZ Pass was moved to a former machine lane for the express purpose of answering your question of what happened to the push button machine ticket lane which never existed in the first place which was actually fully automatic which was converted to EZ Pass.



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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

Maybe I caught them on a bad ticket machine day, which could also very well explain the lack of people to hand out tickets.

PHL,

I did encounter the Delaware nightmare that had us stopped for a good time. It is beyond me why they have to charge that amount for a 12 mile stretch of highway and a bridge... That must go back to the Sopranos scenario and who they are contracting to do the work  Smile/happy/getting dizzy and they still pay high gas taxes.

Doesn't the DOT stipulate that all toll revenue from interstate highways is supposed to be used for state highway maintenance and infrastructure development?




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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

I did encounter the Delaware nightmare that had us stopped for a good time. It is beyond me why they have to charge that amount for a 12 mile stretch of highway and a bridge...

NUAir,

My suggestion to you would be the following:

1. Where possible use the parallel and free I-295 instead of the NJ Turnpike. One can use either EXITS 7A (I-195) or 7 (US 206) for the northern connection and EXITS 3 (Route 168), 2 (US 322) or 1 (I-295 & US 40) for the southern connection.

2. From I-295, use either the Walt Whitman Bridge (I-76) or Commodore Barry Bridge (US 322) to connect to I-95 in PA as a means of avoiding the jammo at the Delaware Memorial Bridge. The westbound toll is $3.00. Once in Delaware, use the parallel I-495 to bypass downtown Wilmington.

3. You may already know this, but you can probably pick up AM 1060 (KYW Newsradio) to get traffic updates for both sides of the Delaware every 10 minutes... on the '2s. I've been able to get KYW as far north as EXIT 8A (Route 32) in central Jersey and as far south as EXIT 1 (Route 896) off I-95 in Delaware.

4. Get a CB (remember those?) and set it to Channel 19. Truckers still use these devices as a means of letting other drivers know where the traffic jams are plus where the Smokeys are lurking.  Innocent

Please note that these tips still won't get you around the I-95/295/495 southbound merge in Delaware. You'll have to use US 13 & 40 to get aroound that.

[Edited 2004-10-05 22:57:12]


"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

PHL,

I'll take that advice and try that next time I venture up to the Big Apple.

Maybe the truckers will be able to answer my question on the pump your own gas thing.

Over and Out

NUAir




BTW does anyone know any good airports around New York City for private planes?



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