22right From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 417 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1817 times:
I was wondering if the United States will ever become enough of a democracy to accept a woman President?
While America prides itself on being a harbinger of liberty, equality, and democracy, I just find it extremely jarring that this country has never been able to elect a woman President. I mean so-called third world countries like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand (?), as well as developed nations such as UK and Israel have had elected female leadership.
I just think it is quite indicative of the closed-mindedness and bigotry of the political system in this country that it has not been able to accept a woman at the apex of the government.
Forget about electing other races... I am talking about the possibility of a white woman as President. Do you think the "good ol' boys" in the Senate and House and more importantly the majority of American voters ever accept this?
Any thoughts?
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Boeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2264 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1794 times:
Actually, I would hope we do. A woman would be less likely to rush to war, damage our relationships with other nations, etc.
I also believe more women should be running companies, including airlines. We would see less "I'll get you" mentality.
22right From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 417 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1794 times:
The Liberal women are too Liberal.
In what way? Some examples please of what in your opinion is being less liberal, "just right" liberal, or too liberal.
And I am not being sarcastic as I ask this. I (not having been born and brought up in this country) have a hard time understanding what exactly it means to be a liberal vs a conservative. Does it mostly revolve around abortion rights, gay marriages, etc or is there something more?
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22right From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 417 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1789 times:
How about this: Liz Dole vs Hill Clinton, the outcome will be determined after 4 rounds of mudfighting in stead of those long and boring debates?
Huh!? Sometimes I think it's attitudes like these (perhaps shared by a large majority of the populace) that prevents us from accepting a woman to the highest levels of government.
Sure, we can coat this with a veneer of humor but I think the real attitude toward women still peers thru' loud and clear.
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PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7253 posts, RR: 25 Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1785 times:
Should Kerry lose this year's election, you know who will be at the plate in 2008.
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Jasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 44 Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1794 times:
I mean so-called third world countries like India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand (?), as well as developed nations such as UK and Israel have had elected female leadership.
22right, you're right in stating that many of the poorer, third-world and even Islamic nations have had women as their elected leaders (India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Turkey, Indonesia, Israel, Burundi, Guyana, Nicaragua, Rwanda). However, you must keep in mind that most of these women, though legitimately elected, inherited a political legacy from their husbands or fathers.
There are, of course, Western countries where women have been elected to the highest office. These include Britain, France, Canada, Ireland, Portugal, Poland, Finland etc. In these cases, far more often than not, the women made it to the top largely without familial political ties.
Of course, whetever the situation, the fact remains that women have made it to the political top in countries as dissimilar as France and Indonesia, but haven't quite managed to get there in America.
If you want true woman power though, look to New Zealand. They were the first country in the world to give women the vote. And today, the Sovereign, Governor-General, Prime Minister, Leader of the Opposition and the Chief Justice are all women!
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19719 posts, RR: 56 Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1779 times:
I was wondering if the United States will ever become enough of a democracy to accept a woman President?
Sure, right after we have a black president.
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Homer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1771 times:
As long as we elect the best-qualified person for the job...if that candidate happens to be a woman, so what? I'm not going to vote for a woman just because this country never had one and it would be "progressive"...
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22right From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 417 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1771 times:
Should Kerry lose this year's election, you know who will be at the plate in 2008
I am assuming you are referring to Hillary. But you know what? The Republicans are seriously considering a bill to amend the US constitution to allow non-US born citizens to run for President. And you know who this is geared toward? Arnold!
I am serious. I beleive Sen. Orrin Hatch is working on this bill and it's even dubbed "Arnold's Bill". After Arnold's impressive showing at the GOP convention this year, they think he is their best weapon for a bid against Hillary. While you may or may not agree with Hillary, that they would rather have a foreign-born white male (who appeals to the testosterone driven general population) versus an intelligent, experienced, strong woman in the White House is quite telling!
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NW747400 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 329 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1743 times:
As long as it's not Hillary; I mean we've already had eight years of her I don't think we can take anymore! As long as it's not her.
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22right From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 417 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
As long as we elect the best-qualified person for the job...
Agreed. But how come in over 80+(?) years of granting women the right to vote, a woman has never been deemed best qualified for the job.
And by the way, inspite of being a novice at the politics of this country, I dont think Americans should kid themselves into thinking that the choices they face on election day are the people who are "best-qualified" for the job. Its the political horse-play and shenanigans that take place well before the actual democratic election that ensure that "in-appropriate" candidates are eliminated early on....
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Arniepie From Belgium, joined Aug 2005, 1265 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1726 times:
How about this: Liz Dole vs Hill Clinton, the outcome will be determined after 4 rounds of mudfighting in stead of those long and boring debates?
Huh!? Sometimes I think it's attitudes like these (perhaps shared by a large majority of the populace) that prevents us from accepting a woman to the highest levels of government.
Sure, we can coat this with a veneer of humor but I think the real attitude toward women still peers thru' loud and clear.
Actually that comment was brilliantly tought up by my girlfriend.
I'll give her a good spanking and tell her that she never can say such horrible things again. naughty ,naughty girl
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12562 posts, RR: 64 Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1720 times:
Forget about electing other races... I am talking about the possibility of a white woman as President.
Why do you specify that the woman has to be white, though?
It seems silly for you to rant about how the U.S. electorate is too closed-minded to elect a woman...but then highlight YOUR closed-mindedness by inserting a racist comment like that.
I believe in electing the right PERSON for the job, regardless of ethnicity, sex, etc.
"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38512 posts, RR: 80 Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1718 times:
I'll certainly vote for Hillary Clinton if she runs. I don't understand why so many on the right hate her som much.
Arnold's Bill will fail and will not be amended to the Constitution. With our governments thurst for war, there will come the possibility a President with loyalty to his/her homeland.
Imagine if we had a Yugoslav-American President during the 1990s, Iraqi-American President now or a Vietnamese-American President during the 1960s.
I don't think the chickenhawks on the far-right would approve.
Let's not fool ourselves in to thinking that women are more 'compassionate', or 'kinder & gentler'. There are some very nasty women out there in politics such as Jean Kirtpatrick, Helen Chenoweth, Ann Coulter, Margaret Thatcher just to name a few.
22right From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 417 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1701 times:
EA CO AS wrote: It seems silly for you to rant about how the U.S. electorate is too closed-minded to elect a woman...but then highlight YOUR closed-mindedness by inserting a racist comment like that.
EA CO AS, the reason I mentioned a "white woman" was to avoid dilution of the issue by introducing a race factor into the equation in addition to the sex factor. I do think this country is several decades away from accepting a non-white person as President, so no point even discussing that.
And by the way, before you accuse me of being a racist, please note that I am Indian by birth (as in India in South Asia) and have no strong feelings one way or another toward white people.
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22right From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 417 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1700 times:
EA CO AS,
I can understand that you had a legitimate grouse against my seeming racist remark since you had no way of knowing about my ethnicity....
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EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12562 posts, RR: 64 Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1690 times:
EA CO AS, the reason I mentioned a "white woman" was to avoid dilution of the issue by introducing a race factor into the equation in addition to the sex factor.
Fair enough, and I appreciate you taking the time to expand on that.
I can understand that you had a legitimate grouse against my seeming racist remark since you had no way of knowing about my ethnicity....
....which is irrelevant. A racist comment is still racist, regardless of what your ethnicity is.
You already explained what you'd written, but don't try to hide behind the, "It's ok for me to say it because I'm (insert ethnicity here)," argument - that's pitiful.
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25 Superfly: I read the same statement by 22right that EA CO AS read and I saw nothing racist about 22right's post. 22right is pointing out some sad but true facts
26 EA CO AS: Superfly, I was merely attempting to point out what I interpreted as hypocrisy - the notion that the electorate has unfairly kept a woman from being P
27 Superfly: EA CO AS: That's cool. I had this page opened for a while before I made that post and 22right had already beat me. However Hillary Clinton wouldn't b
28 L-188: Actually out of the three I suspect that Sanchez would have the easist time. but that Billary is hardend more against it.
29 Arniepie: On a sidenote , doesn't Hillary R Clinton have a very republican background and only became a democrat after Bill ran for governor of Ark.?
30 EA CO AS: However Hillary Clinton wouldn't be as scrutinized as much as Carol Mosley Braun, Maxine Waters or Loretta Sanchez if they were to run for President.
31 Superfly: Arniepie: You are correct! I was just about to start a topic about that. Just let me put my groceries away and I'll post it in about 10 minutes.
32 Jessman: Women leaders are not always less likely to go to war than their male counterparts. Bloody Mary earned her monicker.
33 Sccutler: Actually, I think there's a real chance we might cross two bridges at once... ...who would be a good running-mate, on the Condy Rice ticket?
34 AirTran737: If Hell froze over and Hillary somehow managed to win the number one job, I would leave this country for those for years.
35 Arniepie: I don't know if it is already mentioned here but I seem to recall that Oprah Winfrey also carry's a lot of moral weight and some said that she would a
36 JGPH1A: Re: "Bloody Mary earned her monicker." If you are referring to Mary Tudor, the nickname "Bloody" was not due to any war she declared - in fact as far
37 Jasepl: Yep, Bloody Mary brought back Catholisicm and had a bunch of heretic Protestants burnt. Hence the name.
38 FDXmech: >>>I was wondering if the United States will ever become enough of a democracy to accept a woman President?
39 Aerobalance: I wouldn't mind if a female was the president of the U.S. However, I would be concerned if her cabinent, and all of her advisors were female.... No de
40 Jaysit: The US will eventually have a woman President. But it will not be Hillary Clinton. And it will DEFINITELY not be that recipient of Viagra-love, Liddy
41 Homer71: Let's not fool ourselves in to thinking that women are more 'compassionate', or 'kinder & gentler'. There are some very nasty women out there in polit
42 Jaysit: "It doesn't hurt that she's a hottie, too!" You're kidding, right? Have you ever seen her in person when she isn't on TV spouting ways to kill liberal
43 Homer71: You know that Heather Locklear is a registered Republican too. I think the GOP can do better than Coulter for GOP pin-up Presidential babe. Locklear's
44 LHMark: I would vote for Representative Louise Slaughter without hesitation.
45 Jessman: Scotts, Heretics, or A-rabs the point is that a woman can be every bit as ruthless and bloodthirsty as a man. Those traits have nothing to do with the
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