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Majority Of Canadians Support Same Sex Marriage!  
User currently offlineChrisa330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 630 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

This report just released today. Very positive results!

http://erg.environics.net/news/default.asp?aID=432

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User currently offlineBombstar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Go Liberals!

User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

Does this mean a decline in 'traditional' marriages?

I really do not feel right with Gay/Lesbian marriages, because the way i have been brought up (mum+Dad+Brother/Sister) and thats the way its always been.

EGGD


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2576 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

I've always thought that two adults should be able to enter into a legal contract (as marriage is). What's the problem?

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

Allowing same sex marriages goes a long way to ensure equality and recognition of same sex couples.

We do exactly the same things as straight couples do, so why should we be discriminated against? Because someones church says so?

Go Canada!!

*yay*

mb


User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

>What's the problem?

A marriage is a sacred union between man and woman. Not between man and man or woman and woman. That's the problem. Enough said.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

N400QX,

What type of marriage are you talking about? A chrisitian marriage or one that is recognised by law?

mb
*Absolutely Ansett*


User currently offlineOz777 From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 521 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1542 times:

What is the real definition of "marriage". In fact is is not really Christian, but an institution recognised bya whole series of cultures as a formal union betwen male and female.

It has devolved with legal obligation, historically on the basis of "ownership". Of more recent times, equality and equity of the sexes has removed that, although I have to admit that many religions still promote a "beholden" theme.

Given that the union between the sexes formalises a natural obligation also, the concept of marriage, embraces a number of parameters in the relationship, both within the union, and external to it.

Same sex unions, while fulfilling the legal recognition of each parties rights in the contract, only partly fulfils those parameters. What ever one's individual beliefs, the majority view (and that is not necessarity restricted to "christian" attitudes) is such that a "marriage" is still between different sexes.

The problem really is about respect and the removal of bigotry, of which discrimination is a manifestation. Where same sex "marriages" create a division in the broader community, is that for a majority, the concept of a full "marriage" carries obligation beyond the legal recognition of mutual commitment.

The world has really only started to embrace equality over the last 100 years, based on a natural order of things extending probably 100 times that period. The concept of same sex unions adopting the phraseology and external rights demeans the "heterosexual" concept and perception of their own "marriage".

Threaten a persons view or perspective and they become defensive, particularly if that is a long held and reinforced part of our society. That is the natural reaction to same sex unions these days I think. Perhaps it is pushing the envelope too early - wait until the majority come to terms with homosexuality, garner respect and build on that.

There are an awful lot of people in the world who have been "indoctrinated" with the concept that non heterosexual individuals are somehow lesser people. Challenge that perception (a) quickly and (b) by legal imposition and the reaction from the majority will be very defensive. And non-accepting of conventions that challenge the institutions upon which our society is built.

It comes down to respect for each other - a facet of our society that seems to have headed towards selfishness and become lost as we have become more "educated".

God that philosophical - I surprise myself!!
Oz777


User currently offlineDeltaRNOmd-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

hey, no biggie in my book...

Just another reason to not visit Canada...



 Smile


User currently offlineTwotterwrench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwww........

User currently offlineRealHigh From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1022 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

More reason's why I think Canada is one of the best countries in the world!

 Smile


User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

I have to agree that maybe it's pushing it a little too far, but if it is what Canada wants, then who are we to judge?

I think that personally marriage should be between man and woman - but I am religious and some of you would tell me that I'm 'old fashioned'.

Either way, I think the law as it currently stands here in the US is suitable.

If two guys want to spend the rest of their lives together, or conversely two women, then that's great for them. But marriage is a sacred union between man and woman. (need I say it again?)

And this from one of 'them'. (Actually, more on the sidelines than on either team.)

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



N 8 6 3 D A


User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1520 times:

There was a ceremony at a local Toronto church for two couples- one being male/male marriage and other being female/female marriage. The church had hoped to use a loophole in the law- recognizing the publishing of baans as a legal marriage (or something to that extent). The ceremony went ahead with very little opposition and a whole lot of publicity.
If a church is willing to let the marriage go (as was the case a few months ago), I don't see why it can't be legal. It's going to be legal sooner or later- might as well make it legal now than later.


User currently offlineCanada Mike From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1515 times:

DeltaRNOmd-80...you should only be so lucky as to get to come to Canada (heh heh heh, j/k)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I'm neither here nor there on the whole gays/marriage thing. It doesn't affect me, and I don't consider it an issue, so I say, live and let live.

Cheers everybody.
Canada Mike
canada_mike77@hotmail.com


User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Good to hear positive results. If only the USA would make such good progress, but with Bush, it really doesn't look like it will happen.
rgds,
blink182



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineFP_v2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

What is this world coming too........

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Good for the Canadians. I wonder how far off legislation allowing this is...

Aaron G.


User currently offlineRyanb741 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 3221 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

I'm 100% heterosexual but I think that if two members of the same sex want to live their lives together they should be entitled to the same recognition and rights as heterosexual couples. Who cares about what some 2000 year old book says? It's all about ensuring there is equality in our society, and although I can't speak for the US, here in the UK marriage is something recognised by law and not necessarily by God. How many people still get married in a Church anyway?....


I used to think the brain is the most fascinating part of my body. But, hey, who is telling me that?
User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4776 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

Its pretty sad that the public strongly supports equality but the liberals are too afraid to touch the topic...however I think they'll change in time. I don't think it'll be more than five years before my husband and I can be *legally* married in Canada  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Ryanb,

You have been added to my respected users list!

It is a shame that certain people, still through what they claim as religious belief, condemn same sex marriages as not compatible with that.

What is amazing though, is that they will seek out our services, expect us to be waiters for them, like nice clothing designs and all the other things they enjoy in society.

To those bigots out there, if you don't like same sex couples then why don't you wear a badge, one that shows that you don't like them. One that shows you are too immature to realise that their is so much more to life than having a disposition towards others.

Wearing these badges will show to others your intolerance and bigotry. It will also show whoever may be tending to you, whether that be in a bar, restaurant, hospital, radar trap or whatever profession 'the real you'. Then you can expect service accordingly.

Is it so difficult to expect equal rights? This is the 21st century now?

****Absolutely Ansett****

mn


User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 41
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

>>>What's the problem?

A marriage is a sacred union between man and woman. Not between man and man or woman and woman. That's the problem. Enough said.<<< Quit spewing your Nazi Bullshit, N400QX. Most civilized countries do not view homosexuality as a big deal, countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Finland, Holland, Denmark, etc.. And now Canada - that is great! I hope US becomes one of those countries some time before I die. I am completely heterosexual, but I am not homophobic, I don't think it makes a person any less of an individual.

Personally I don't think that marriage is necessary anyway, but if someone wants to get married, whether they're same sex or not - why not? Let them do whatever they want, it does not affect you.

Good decision, Go Canada!



Money does not bring you happiness. But it's better to cry in your own private limo than on a cold bus stop.
User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

An-225, spoken like a true wacky liberal. Calling people Nazi and homophobic because they disagree with you. Try to be more tolerant. Tolerance is good, remember?


"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

I seem to find myself indifferent on the topic. Even though I am gay, I seem to find myself disillusioned by marriage as an "institution", so I don't know if I would even take up the option even if it was presented to me. Although it does amaze me that Canadians have such drastically different views. Hey, how about you guys send some of your liberal "joie de vivre" south, please, America could use it.

LH423



« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineMbmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

Like LH 423, I have mixed feelings about the concept of marriage. But I certainly appreciate some of the legal benefits that a marriage contract provides.

Over the past twelve years, my partner and I have had to arrange power of attorney for health and financial purposes (otherwise, my partner would have no legal rights to oversee my health care if I were to suddenly become hospitalized). We've had to purchase separate household insurance policies (up until five years ago, married couples and straight living-together couples in Massachusetts could purchase one policy per household but gay couples could not). We've had to draw up special contracts so that we could establish co-ownership of automobiles and houses. In some job situations we've had to pay for our health insurance separately because we were not afforded the same joint insurance programs that were offered to married couples in the office.

On the legal front things have improved for gay couples, but still, it isn't easy or cheap. I just wish we were afforded the same legal rights as our married friends.

- M





User currently offlineN400QX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

>Hey, how about you guys send some of your liberal "joie de vivre" south, please, America could use it.


NOOOO.... Definately not. How about us Americans send our liberal 'joie de vivre' north and the Canadians (and American liberals) can live in the socialist utopia they've always dreamed of without screwing over the right-minded conservatives. Sound good? Great... I'm sure us conservatives could chip in on the airline tickets.


25 Indianguy : So Same sex marriages are now legal in your country? But has this achieved anything for the cause of people with different preferences like more socia
26 Blink182 : People don't always have to follow the bible(i don't think I ever have) and the way I see it, if two people of the same sex want to spend the rest of
27 Marco : ALOT of people get married in a church and guess what ... I happen to believe in that "2000" year old book, and to me its a HOLY BOOK so have some res
28 Chrisa330 : Indianguy: If you read the title of the post: The majority of Canaidians support same sex marriage. It is not legal yet.
29 Post contains images Juul : Although being 100% heterosexual, I'm all for it! Gay marriages are already legal in Holland (since a couple of months ago) and here in Belgium a simi
30 LOT767-300ER : I swear to Christ himself the USA will most likely just collapse from inner social wounds. This country will just collapse from the people that live i
31 CPDC10-30 : If your country is going to "collapse" it is because people like you want it to. We are talking about state recognized marriages here...not religious
32 LOT767-300ER : I am not talking about same sex marriages here im talking in general! All of this harm we do to our country everyday.
33 TWA : I would never discriminate against a Gay individual. They are just the same as anyone. I dont have a problem with Gay marriages. Now watch me get slam
34 TeXstud323 : GO CANADA is what I say, but also with marriage comes the rights to alimony and the headaches of filing for divorce so there's some food for thought?!
35 Post contains images Superfly : Go Canada! As a heterosexual, I am all for gay marriages. This is strictly state recognized marriage. If the Mormon Church, Southern Baptist or any ot
36 Post contains images Ryanb741 : Thanks mx5_boy! Marco, you go read your book then. Meanwhile, I will do my best to ensure that my children grow up in an equitable and tolerant societ
37 LH423 : It's not about seeing marriage as "just a contract", but ensuring the rights of people. It goes the same for straight, non-married couples as well, th
38 Marco : I will read my HOLY book, don't worry about it, that doesn't concern you but show some respect and tolerance yourself, just like you did towards Islam
39 LH423 : Kind of relating to what Marco said, in the paper today there was a little blip on Egyptian officials arresting 30 gay men at a gay wedding, citing in
40 Vafi88 : I say let people do whatever they feel like doing. If they like guys, they like guys, and if they like girls, they like girls. I hear this word a lot
41 Marco : ...they're lucky they weren't in Saudi or else they would have had their heads chopped off!
42 Yukee : It is nice to see so many different kinds of comments on this topic. I feel that some of the users here are very self-centred. Some of them are old fa
43 Mx5_boy : Yukee, Thank you, I couldn't agree more. Cheers, mb ***Absolutely Ansett***
44 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/Sounds/wierder.wav Johnny never lies!
45 Post contains images CPDC10-30 : I'm glad you agree more with my husband than you do with me
46 Mx5_boy : CPDC10-30, Consider yourself very lucky! Yukee sounds like a very nice and thoughtful guy! Cheers, mb ***Absolutely Ansett***
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