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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Rather than whine. Suggest something. I'll start:

1. 10% flat tax.
2. School vouchers for Secondary Education (Public or Private). Make High School competitive like College.
3. Have all states pass a civil union law. A portion of it affirms Marriage as a union between a Man and a Woman. The second portion provides for the rights of Homosexuals.
4. A transportation rivitalization act. Evaluate the aviation system and mandate the construction of new airport facilities as needed. Evaluate new systems such as Maglev to incorporate with flight.
5. Federal Term Limits for all politicians.
6. Privatized Medical Insurance as opposed to socialized health care. Multiple carriers in multiple markets. Competition reduces rates. Premiums would run about $50 a month for a family of 4. Employer deducts funds from pay. Sorted by Zip Code/County or State. People can opt out for different coverage if they want to pay their own way. (More or less a state run program).
7. Overturn R vs. W. Let the States decide if they want Abortion to be legal.
8. Send the UN to a nation that gives a crap.
9. Retract all Military forces abroad and let God sort the rest of the planet out.
10. Stop sending Billions to other countries. The $15 billion spent for Aids in Africa would have fed every child in America or bought all people un-insured insurance.

That takes about half the issues off the table and would stop a lot of whining.

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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8694 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

simple soltuion for a complex problem = not going to work

"8. Send the UN to a nation that gives a crap."

How do you knoe the entire US is not giving "a crap" about the UN? Last time I checked, your country is divided between Bush and Kerry. Given that way too many people didn't even bother to vote the last time (50% or something?), I'd put the portion of the US people that "doesn't give a crap" in a way that makes it vote for a president who doesn't either at 25%, maximum.

"9. Retract all Military forces abroad and let God sort the rest of the planet out."

LOL! Who asked you to go there in the first place? "Splendid Isolation" doesn't work if you want to be the head-honchos of this planet.

"10. Stop sending Billions to other countries. The $15 billion spent for Aids in Africa would have fed every child in America or bought all people un-insured insurance."

OBL mk.II saying "Here I come!" The profit derived from sweat-shops and cheap labour in countries that receive economic aid far outweighs those $15bn, same for the EU & Japan.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

You know, Boeing7E7, the most amusing part of this post is the realisation that you might even honestly think that those "solutions" would solve anything...

Regards,
Frank

P.S.: There is actually one point where I agree with you - number 5...



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User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

I'm kinda on board with #5 and #6, although I'd make it possible to vote a politician at term limit back into office with a 2/3 majority, just in case we got a good one.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

How do the tax on income system work in the states ?
What are the numbers ?

10 % flat sounds like an idea of rich right wing boy, but what is the reality now ?


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

Wow.. Love those isolationist views.

What are you going to do when the school vouchers have emptied out the public schools and flooded the private schools to the point they can no longer provide a decent education? You forget so easily this is a nation of crybabies who all think they are entitled to something, the very parents that are the problems in the public schools will send their little delinquents to private schools if they don't have to pay.

If you think $15 billion is going to even come close to paying for nationalized health care I want some of what you are smoking.

Term limits are a double edged sword, be careful what you wish for. If you have an effective representative that is doing a good job why get rid of them? This does happen believe it or not.


BTW.. Spell check is still out of action.


User currently offlineElisabete From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

Boening .....I agree some of your points while I disagree with other points. In my opinion, some of your points shift power from the federal govt to the States. I dont know if that is the solution. The Articles of Confederation, which was the first body of laws that governed the USA after the Resolution War, did actually that--give the power to the States. (I think that the Articles were ratified in 1781.) As we know, the Articles only lasted 7 years.

Aloges --and please I don't wish to be disrespectful ...why are you so critical of the USA since you live in a country where there is not even a middle class, full of corruption and thousands of Brazilians fleeing to the USA? I will give you examples. There is a section of Newark, NJ called the Ironbound, where the Portuguese settled since the the 60's or earlier. In the last 5 years or so, Brasilians have invaded that area and continue to come. Why? Because of the Brasilian's economic and social mess. The same applies in NYC, 48th Street, btw Fifth Avenue and 6th Avenue, known as "Little Brazil." The Boston area is another example.

Reading these forums, I noticed that you are one of the members with tons of views and opinions about the USA lololol Please I do think that is great !!!! Now, I ask you --what views and opinions do you have about Brasil? obrigado por a sua resposta  Smile Smile Smile



Get over it ! lol
User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

Aloges --and please I don't wish to be disrespectful ...why are you so critical of the USA since you live in a country where there is not even a middle class, full of corruption and thousands of Brazilians fleeing to the USA?

AKAIK, Aloges was/is from Germany.



"It starts when you're always afraid; You step out of line, the man come and take you away" -Buffalo Springfield
User currently offlineFlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Are you in the Libertarian Party? You share a lot of their ideology.


Sometimes I go about in pity for myself and all the while a great wind carries me across the sky.
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

"This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of the Montana 'Sitting in a cave wearing my tinfoil hat surrounded by automatic weapons in case Federal Postal workers in black UN Helicopters get me' Freedom Party."

User currently offlineElisabete From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1416 times:

Kyippilot ---thank you for bringing that to my attention. But, I am under the impression that he now resides in Brasil? Am I incorrect?

Yeah, Aloges, do you live in Bello Horizonte by any chance? please do not mind my spelling ..(I cannot spell for my life lolol)



Get over it ! lol
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1401 times:

Are you in the Libertarian Party? You share a lot of their ideology.

http://riponsoc.org/

What are you going to do when the school vouchers have emptied out the public schools and flooded the private schools to the point they can no longer provide a decent education?

What? They going to put a Private school on every corner?

"This has been a party political broadcast on behalf of the Montana 'Sitting in a cave wearing my tinfoil hat surrounded by automatic weapons in case Federal Postal workers in black UN Helicopters get me' Freedom Party."

What? You affraid us leaving Europe would force you to defend yourselves?

If you think $15 billion is going to even come close to paying for nationalized health care I want some of what you are smoking.

Not even maybe, just an example of how we throw money at other nations without taking care of our own first.

How do the tax on income system work in the states ?

Depends on the States needs.

More like 40/60:

Pro-UN: 40% (Liberals), 60% Independents and Conservatives. Yes, contrary to what you beleive a greater portion of the nation is fiscally conservative. The drive for the middle is based on Social issues.

You know, Boeing7E7, the most amusing part of this post is the realisation that you might even honestly think that those "solutions" would solve anything...

Unable to make a suggestion? Only able to be a critic?

LOL! Who asked you to go there in the first place? "Splendid Isolation" doesn't work if you want to be the head-honchos of this planet.

Check the history. Especially in Europe. We're already the head honchos. Our concern should be with protecting our own borders, not someone elses.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1382 times:
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Federal Term Limits for all politicians

I wholeheartedly DISAGREE with this one. Why should we be barred from voting for someone who has an exemplary record and replace them - potentially by someone who is un or underqualified - just because some arbitrary number of years of service have passed?

It seems illogical to prevent the electorate from having their will heard, which is exactly what term limits do.

And for the record, I'm an opponent of the 22nd Amendment as well.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

RE: What? You affraid us leaving Europe would force you to defend yourselves ?

Defend ourselves from what ? Saddam's phantom WMD's ? I think we'll manage. Anyway, the number one target of the Axis of Evil is you lot. Our biggest problem at the moment is oildrums with illegal migrants perched on them, floating over from Libya - don't need too many squillion dollar B2's to see them off. A couple of well-aimed beer cans should do the job.

P.S. Calm down - my post was gentle ribbing, nothing more. As our newly established resident "Genghis Khan was a liberal panty-waist" arch-fascist, you have to expect this  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1377 times:

I wholeheartedly DISAGREE with this one. Why should we be barred from voting for someone who has an exemplary record and replace them - potentially by someone who is un or underqualified - just because some arbitrary number of years of service have passed?

California. Politicians run-amuck is the best justification for Term Limits.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

There should only be a single limiting factor to a political term of office. The results of the next election. That's democracy, baby !

User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

"Politicians run-amuck is the best justification for Term Limits."

That is what we call irresponsible voters. If a politician is a retard, vote them out. This is not a hard concept. If they were really that bad I doubt people would keep voting for them, and not agreeing with one persons politics is not an excuse to impose limits on them.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Once again, we live in a Republic. For the umpteenth time.

The electorate in CA has become so self indulgent that they vote for whoever offers the most. We can't provide everything to everyone. So, as a result, the State is damn near bankrupt and they STILL want to send irresponsible "spend at will" politicians to Sacramento.


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1363 times:

The electorate in CA has become so self indulgent that they vote for whoever offers the most. We can't provide everything to everyone. So, as a result, the State is damn near bankrupt and they STILL want to send irresponsible "spend at will" politicians to Sacramento.

Welcome to the world - you have, just this moment, made a comment that displays how politics work in just about every society where people are allowed to vote for their tormentors... err, politicians: they usually follow the one who promises the most, usually they don't care whether there's anything even resembling reality in the promises: as long as the promises sound good, they'll vote for that candidate.

See? The US isn't that different from the world out here...  Big grin

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

So we should remove Bush's term limits then.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1355 times:
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The electorate in CA has become so self indulgent that they vote for whoever offers the most.

Unfortunately, that's the way the entire nation is headed.

And I seem to recall a famous quote saying:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

Let's hope our slide down this slippery slope ends soon - but I firmly believe that term limits will simply encourage new politicians to replace old ones by continuing to promise benefits from the public treasury.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1351 times:
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So we should remove Bush's term limits then.

Yes - the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States should be repealed, in my opinion.

There should not be a law restricting the number of times ANY politician can serve in any capacity. In a way, it is a violation of freedom of speech of the electorate, as their will is being suppressed arbitrarily in the name of "fairness."



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

If it is the will of the American people (as misguided as that may seem) to elect George Walker Bush to multiple terms as President, that should be their right. So far they haven't even elected him once (oh, lighten up !)

What does that mean, anyway ? "We live in a Republic". Yes. So do North Koreans. So do Iranians. The USA also has a Constitution guaranteeing regular ELECTION of Representatives, Senators and the President - hence a Democracy.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Yes. We elect representatives. That's why it's called a Republic. A Democracy would be mahem. Imagine voting on every little item that came across the table.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1344 times:
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What does that mean, anyway ? "We live in a Republic".

We're getting technical, but it's a reminder that we do not live in a pure democracy, but a representative republic.

People (particularly in the U.S.) mistakenly believe we live in a pure democracy, where each person votes on EVERYTHING instead of having representatives doing it on their behalf.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
25 Boeing7E7 : I guess we covered that one. The design of our political system was to keep any one person or group from completely controlling the nation. Not having
26 JGPH1A : The USA is far more democratic than just Federal and State representatives. I don't know how widespread this is, but many ordinary public officials ar
27 Photopilot : You've got to be kidding..... 1. 10% flat tax. "Let them eat cake I say" didn't work for Marie Antionette, and it won't work now either 2. School vouc
28 Elisabete : Photopilot ---Canada may promise to keep out of the USA, but definitely not Mexico (the other neighbor) and the rest of the world ..... Only the USA w
29 Captoveur : 2. School vouchers for Secondary Education (Public or Private). Make High School competitive like College. make all education right through university
30 MD11Engineer : How do you want to prevent private health insurance companies (Who are in the market for profit after all) from picking their clients according to the
31 Iakobos : "The $15 billion spent for Aids in Africa" I know you blindly believe the guy who throws this in the arena to show how good he is, but for your inform
32 Post contains links L.1011 : Sebolino, http://www.savings-bonds-alert.com/us-tax-rates.html Information on various state taxes is here. http://www.retirementliving.com/RLtaxes.htm
33 Boeing7E7 : Must be National Law. Otherwise inequality exists from region to region. There's never been a national marriage law, yet every state has a marriage la
34 N6376m : Simple answers to a matter as complex as the budget just show ignorance. First of all, tell us how much revenue a 10% flat tax will generate? While yo
35 Boeing7E7 : First of all, tell us how much revenue a 10% flat tax will generate? While you're at it, define income? Does it include capital gains? How about gifts
36 Post contains images Garnetpalmetto : There's never been a national marriage law, yet every state has a marriage law. It's always been a state to state. To try to expand on 7E7's rather si
37 Post contains images Superfly : Boeing7E7 cuts & paste the Republican Party platform. Gee you're really talented. The $15 billion spent for Aids in Africa would have fed every child
38 Post contains links Boeing7E7 : Boeing7E7 cuts & paste the Republican Party platform. Errr... Nope. Unless you mean the real Republican party not the one that's been taken hostage. h
39 Post contains images Superfly : Boeing7E7: - Strengthen the American family.... Wouldn't that require government intrution? The government needs to leave families alone. What about t
40 Boeing7E7 : Depends on what your definition of is is...
41 Post contains images Aloges : To Elisabete: I am German and live in Germany. I just like Brazil a lot for personal reasons, and hence changed "my" flag to the Brazilian one. It's a
42 N6376m : Boeing7e7 - there is a corporate income tax. Genius. But in any case, get cracking on the other question.
43 N6376m : Yeah - I thought so.
44 Boeing7E7 : Now you see. As a conservative, you're the kind of conservative I can't stand. Now you will get no response.
45 N6376m : What about my brand of conservativism can't you stand? Is it the fact that I managed to show how ridiculous your proposals were?
46 Boeing7E7 : The fact that you didn't give one a chance to respond. You think I sit here all day like you do? One last thing. If we are looking at President Kerry
47 N6376m : The fact that you didn't give one a chance to respond. You think I sit here all day like you do? Your ignorance is amazing. My reply 42 was at 300Z, t
48 Boeing7E7 : You must be the hall monitor. BTW... You're a Florida voter, so don't talk to me about education.[Edited 2004-10-08 19:15:30]
49 N6376m : Not the hall monitor, the bullshit police and you've been busted. Funny how you keep attacking me but forget to answer the substantive question. As fo
50 Boeing7E7 : Completely innacurrate of you. It's not the party line you tow either. And, no, I'm not playing your lame ass game.
51 N6376m : 7e7 ROTFLMAO - dude it's time to up the meds. What is inaccurate? The fact that your proposals are lame or the fact that you haven't addressed the sub
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