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CD Containing School Plans Found In Iraq  
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

A CD disk has triggered a terror alert in 6 states so far in the US.

The CD was located in Iraq and contained detailed information about several US childrens schools including floor plans.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20041007_2378.html


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User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Like I posted in another thread, I went to see my mom at school, she is a teacher, and undercover FBI and police have been ALL over that place this past week. Death threats and hit lists have been posted all over the school. Probably not terrorist related, but they are taking every precaution.

UAL747


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Yeah I saw that thread.

I also didn't note but probably should have, that the authorities admit that most of the information on the disk is publicly available....


But what reason would somebody in Iraq have to go around and actually collect the data from all of these school districts.



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Al-Qaeda and their ilk would like nothing more than to recreate Beslan here in the United States.

Of course if it happened, the left would scream that it was Bush's fault because he hasn't done enough to protect the country.

On the other hand, anything Bush does to protect the country, like remove a terrorist supporting dictator or supporting the Patriot Act, he is vilified by the left.



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User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Personally, I have been thinking about the terror threats that are saying something could be possbile during the elections. Unfortunately, I have a theory that terrorists might use a school, airliner, etc. to hold people hostage, and make demands on the American public to vote against Bush, or the children, passengers will be killed. Then, they would probably die and kill everyone with them if their demands are met.


Anyway, I have a question though, does the Koran say anything about God's promise to his people who are martyrs for Islam 71 or whatever virgins when they go to heaven? Since when did heaven become a brothel for sex hungry Muslims? If you have to wait till you're death before you get a virgin, then man, you must have one tiny penis.

UAL747


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2235 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

anything Bush does to protect the country, like remove a terrorist supporting dictator or supporting the Patriot Act, he is vilified by the left.

What do you think would have happened and what the world reaction would have been if GWB attacked Afghanistan/El Qaeda in early 2001 explaining the urgency of the opertion by the fact that hadn't it been conducted the terrorists would have flied heavy jets into the WTC....



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User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1610 times:

L-188:

"I also didn't note but probably should have, that the authorities admit that most of the information on the disk is publicly available...."


From the second paragraph of the article linked in the thread-opener (started by a user called L-188):


"The downloaded data found by the U.S. military in July all publicly available on the Internet..."


The downloaded information on the DISC can be found here: http://www.ed.gov/admins/lead/safety/emergencyplan/index.html.



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User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Well, it's scary, so in that regard it's kinda like a Weapon of Mass Destruction.


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

On the other hand, anything Bush does to protect the country, like remove a terrorist supporting dictator or supporting the Patriot Act, he is vilified by the left.

Um. What has he done with reference to this? Are you referring to the Iraq invasion for this specific instance? If not, my apologies, if you are I don't really see how that can be used in support. All this would prove is that terrorists are in Iraq now (or in July). We already knew that. Now, had this been found when Saddam was in power or immediately after then it's a different matter entirely. As it is, the finding of material that might imply that there are terrorists currently in Iraq who would like to target the West is hardly ground-breaking news.



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User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

"The Department of Homeland Security official said the material was associated with a person in Iraq, and it could not be established that this person had any ties to terrorism. He did have a connection to civic groups doing planning for schools in Iraq, the official said."

(Emphasis added)

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/10/08/schools.iraq/index.html

Wow! An Iraqi person, without any established ties to terrorism, connected to civic groups doing planning for schools in Iraq, actually had a disc full of publicly available info on US schools? That MUST be a terrorist! Raise the Terror-Threat Level to RED! Move Cheney to his bunker. Take Cover, everyone!

/sarcasm



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User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5684 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

I have a theory that terrorists might use a school, airliner, etc. to hold people hostage, and make demands on the American public to vote against Bush, or the children, passengers will be killed.

Why on Earth would they do that? Bush is in fact AQ's recruiting officer - they coudn't dream of a better one.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Nothing ruins my day more than to agree with Schoenorama, but come on. I read this article, saw it was about nothing, and just KNEW that one of a handful of people would have posted it here....and well, I didn't let myself down.

User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

"Nothing ruins my day more than to agree with Schoenorama..."


You just made MY day!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

Of course if it happened, the left would scream that it was Bush's fault because he hasn't done enough to protect the country.

And who, pray tell, B757300, will be the FIRST to scream on here if an attack happens under Kerry's watch? You will be, in all your glory.


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

So Alpha1, how long of a waiting period does Kerry get (assuming he is elected) before it becomes his fault? The answer better be between 1 and 234.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

I'm sure if it's within a month or so, N6376m, you'll also be in full force, screaming for Kerry's impeachment, you being such a fair guy and all.

User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

Why would I scream for Kerry's impeachment if an attack occured on US soil soon after he was inagurated. Assuming arguendo that he was negligent in allowing such an attack to occur, negligence is not necessarily a crime, therefore the high crimes and misdemeanor requirement of the Constitution wouldn't apply.

That's the difference, I look to what is Constitutional and apply the law of the land without preference or prejudice, you (as do many libs) like to pick and choose what parts of the Constitution you want enforced; and when you want something done that isn't allowed by the Constitution, you seek to ignore it all together.

Now instead of getting into a personal back and forth, why don't you just answer the question, at what point does it become Kerry or anyone else's responsibility? I'll even go first.

IMO it become's the President's responsibility the minute he takes the oath of office. Statements like the "buck stop here" are only hollow words unless they are backed up by action. W should have clearly said the responsibility for allowing such attacks rests ultimately on his shoulders - responsibility flows uphill. Not just in politics but in business (or at least it should).

Now that being said, there is a difference between responsibility and what a person could have done to prevent the attacks. The blame game for 9/11 has some many potentially responsible figures that it indicts both Dems and Reps. What we need to do is be forward looking at how to prevent the next attack - which will certainly occur be it tomorrow, a week from now, a year from now or in 10 years - the US will experience another major terrorist attack in its future.

What we need to do is to make it as hard as possible for these animals to hit us. We need to aggressively attack them and put them on the defensive everywhere. We need to take the fight to them and not allow them to ever again organize so that they can carry out such a coordinated and well planned attack.


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

What do you think would have happened and what the world reaction would have been if GWB attacked Afghanistan/El Qaeda in early 2001 explaining the urgency of the opertion by the fact that hadn't it been conducted the terrorists would have flied heavy jets into the WTC....

I ask this all the time. And the answer, most likely, is that the world would have screamed like hell. Especially France. They only deal with terrorism after it happened. And they expect the US and Israel to do the same.


User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Terrorists have nothing on American school kids. Our kids have already perfected the art of school shootings a terrorist would have nothing on them.

Last time I checked Columbine was the result of American kids not terrorists. This year alone in the US enough school age kids have been killed to fill up Beslan many times over.

Why don't we concentrate more on getting the guns out of the people really doing the killing here in the US instead of a few guys in Iraq with school plans...

3,000 killed in sept 11
yet we average 10,000+ murders per year in the US that are committed by other Americans...

Lets think about our priorities please!!

Terrorists would have to launch 3+ 9/11 type terrorist attacks every year to kill as many Americans as we kll oursleves.




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User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Statistics Of Today

About 1/3 of 12th graders in the U.S. get drunk at least once every 2 weeks. Over 50% of fifteen- to nineteen-year-old girls and 60% of boys the same age have had sexual intercourse, and about 1/3 of U.S. births today are to unwed mothers. A recent survey of over 1,000 U.S. high school students found that 2/3 of them would lie to achieve a business objective, and a higher percentage reported that they would inflate their business-expense reports to escape paying income tax. Twenty percent of U.S. high school students recently admitted to carrying a deadly weapon to school. On an average day in the United States, 13 children commit a murder.

Murders in the US per year
1999- 15,522
2000- 15,586
2001- 16,037 (includes 9/11)
2002- 16,204
2003- 17,865 est.




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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5981 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

*ahem*

I don't suppose they contained Weapons of Math Instructions?  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

CPH-R

Don't be stupid we launched a pre-emptive strike on our educational system to ensure that nothing of value is taught.

Operation No Child Left Behind is achieving its primary main objective of dumbing down Americans so that they are only capable of taking standardized tests and we can eliminate any type of free thinking. Upon completion of No Child Left Behind we will launch operation "no hope" in which our public school system will be so underfunded and useless that we will have no choice but to shut it down and send all kids to private schools on a wacky voucher system. With all the money we save on education we can then send all the kids who cant afford private school straight to prison where they will end up anyways...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy






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User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1454 times:

NUAir, so we are only allowed to focus on one threat at a time and ignore all others? Who made that call and why didn't I get a memo?


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1449 times:

NUAir, so we are only allowed to focus on one threat at a time and ignore all others?

Maybe it isn't that we have to focus on only one at a time, but we need to be smarter in what battles, litterally and figuratively, we face. Iraq was NOT and should not have been a priority over Afghanistan, and what is going on in North Korea and Iran, which are far more immediate and present dangers. But our leadership in Washington sidetracked us with this photo-op war, that has taken our eye off the real targets of OBL, Al Qaeda and worldwide terrorism, and focused on an old score that shouldn't have been at the top of the list.


User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

One threat at a time...

We spend over $200 billion per year on intelligence and prevention how can you say that we were ignoring other threats!!! We even knew Al Queida was going to launch a terrorist attack on American soil and when they were going to do it!

WE DIDNT IGNORE SHIT! OUR ADMINISTRATION DID!

My point is that our intelligence was fine before sept. 11 and we did not need to increase their budget, we did not need to make any changes and we did not need to spend billions of dollars on "Homeland Security" and we certainly did not need to cut spending on COPS we do not need automatic rifles in the hands of kids and we sure as hell dont need cop killing bullets on the street.

You know the stats on your likelyhood of dying in a plane crash to a car crash well think of that to the second power because you are that much more likely to be killed by another American than you are by a terrorist attack and yet we are now spending 4 times as much on the possibility of a terrorist attack while thousands more Americans are dying every year from murders...

Give me a break!! Lets focus on the real issues and stop being insecure pussies worrying that the world hates us and wants to kill all of us. 75% of arabs are living in fear that we are going to attack them, not the other way around.



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