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User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

In the press, around the world - that is, not in the US press - rumors and accounts of American atrocities in Iraq are often reported.

But this time it comes from one of the best American journalist, Seymour Hersh. He's the one who broke the Abu Ghraib tortures story.

What he has to say about the war in Iraq is scary and horrible, there is simply no other word for it.
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/10/11_hersh.shtml


Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
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User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

As I started to read the link of what Mr. Hersh said, I stopped suddenly when I saw Berkeley as the location.

"A Berkeley audience"

Most Americans know what that means.

A one big "NEXT".



User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Where is Captoveur and his Obsession picture?

User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

It´s just the sexually mistreated kid again that does the same to others when grown up...

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Where is Captoveur and his Obsession picture?

He better be careful using it. I did once and another mod deleted it and told me that if I ever did it again I would be banned forever.



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineAirplay From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

I didn't realize Berkeley was an irrelevant area in the US.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Now you know Airplay.

User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

I didn't realize Berkeley was an irrelevant area in the US.


Just to the silent majority who oppose biased reporting.



I mean, for the right price I’ll fight a lion. - Mike Tyson
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17824 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

"Now you know Airplay."

LOL, I thought everyone knew that.

"Just to the silent majority who oppose biased reporting."

AKA those who admire Mao, Stalin, Castro, and Guevarra, but HATE those cold blooded murderers like Bush, Blair, and Starbucks.

[Edited 2004-10-13 18:40:13]


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Ahhh Berkley.

The land of the left wing.

Remember this is the same town that wouldn't let their fireman put US flags on their Fire Engines in October of 01.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

So the next time GWB gives a speech in New York City (or any of the "blue" states), I take it that you people will disregard his words?

Or if Seymour Hersh spoke at the University of Chicago (you know, that bastion of American economic conservatism - which I suppose doesn't matter to you people anymore because the GOP no longer stands for economic conservatism) or some dumbcluck Southern Fundie school then his words would get elevated to pearls of wisdom you'd all suck up?

Or is it just that any critique of GWB and his precious war, however valid, is ripe for ridicule and censorship?

Or maybe its just the stupidity, stupid?



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

No, it is just that Berkley is infested with Stupid people, who border on communist thinking.


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

"No, it is just that Berkley is infested with Stupid people, who border on communist thinking."

Perhaps some are part of the loony left. But Berkeley is also one of the best academic institutions in the country, if not the world. With some of the best thinkers and researchers in the world, let alone some of the highest admission standards. Can't say that about Ol' Miss or the University of Alabama now, can you?

In any case, since when did the audience shoot the message or the messenger?

Or does the loony right just react in a pavlovian manner and foam at the mouth when Berkeley is mentioned. I thought that honor had been appropriated by Hillary?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Berkley is promoted that way by the left.

There are much better schools.




OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineCorpsnerd09 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

What's the point of arguing this.

You right wingers will never believe anything any leftwing media says, and consider the extreme right wing media to be "fair and balanced"

and

You left wingers will never believe anything any rightwing media says, and consider the extreme left wing media to be "fair and balanced"

here's a new flash.
NO MEDIA IS FAIR AND BALANCED! NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY CLAIM TO BE THEY'LL ALWAYS FAVOR ONE OVER THE OTHER!

Now leave some of that whinning for the debates.



If you really want to do it, you will find a way; if you don't, you'll make excuses.
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

"Berkley is promoted that way by the left.
There are much better schools."

LOL.

Oh yes, I'm sure the left influences those mighty standards of science, engineering, math and economics that Berkeley constantly bests. MIT, Harvard and Stanford are perhaps UCB's only competitors.

But then I doubt you'd make it into any of those, either. You know, if conservative "thought" were of such a fine caliber, then Ol Miss and Liberty University would be at the forefront of human achievement.

Alas.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

This isn't even an issue of right and left.

Its an issue of the VENUE where a speaker spoke. Since when did a VENUE negate a speaker's message. As I pointed above, if those standards were adopted, then every speech that Dubya made in that bastion of blueness - Manhattan - should be discredited.

Jeez, I watched Christopher Hitchens speak at Berkeley last year, and his pro-war stance while unpopular was contested and his audience was both combative and very well-informed. For those of you rightwingers who are clueless, Hitchens is the acerbic and very sharp writer who parted ways with the Nation on the issue of the Iraq War.


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

Damn, so real war is not like it's depicted in 50's war movies?  Confused

Oh well, we'll always have Santa Claus.


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

They just cut their heads off one by one.


Oh, sorry, that must have been justified because Mr. Hersh, the good people of Berkeley and our Canadian friends have been silent on the subject.

Sorry, but Seymour Hersh has exactly the same credibility as Rush Limbaugh.





Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

Wow. L188 is still worried about the communists! Sorry to go off topic, but that's priceless.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineProsimtec From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1785 times:

No, it is just that Berkley is infested with Stupid people, who border on communist thinking.

Spoken like a graduate of good ol' Joseph McCarthy U.
Somewhere in Hell, even Joe has must be shaking his head in disbelief.


User currently offlineNUAir From Malaysia, joined Jun 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1738 times:

"Wow. L188 is still worried about the communists! Sorry to go off topic, but that's priceless"

- Actually, I think Bush might be announcing Cuba's intention of developing WMD's during tonights debate. Stay tuned!




"How Many Assholes we got on this ship?" - Lord Helmet
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Wow, the level of denial is breathtaking!

Guys, if you can´t stand to find out what´s going on, why even bother throwing up a smoke screen like that?

These findings are not really new for the most part; And you´ll probably see more of it. It´s the consequence of a propaganda-driven war and in no way really untypical for that.


User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

They just cut their heads off one by one.

Oh, sorry, that must have been justified because Mr. Hersh, the good people of Berkeley and our Canadian friends have been silent on the subject.


Well, I just saw GWB, a few minutes ago, talked about bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq. Those whose role it is to bring this plan about have no business killing innocents; it defeats their purpose. If you don't see that, please consult an optometrist.

But here we have an excellent example of the right-wingers killing the messenger, rather than to address the issue: are some US troops commiting atrocities in Iraq, yes or no? Unfortunatelly, it seems that the answer is yes.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29836 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Yes the speaker in Berkley is part of a propaganda war against the United States, One that I note you seem all too happy to take part in unfortunately.


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
25 Post contains images Klaus : L-188: Yes the speaker in Berkley is part of a propaganda war against the United States, One that I note you seem all too happy to take part in unfort
26 Commander_Rabb : Since when did a VENUE negate a speaker's message. HAHAHAHAHA! When it's BERKELEY. NEXT!
27 RT514 : Interesting (albeit not surprising) read. Thanks for posting, Qb001. The fact that people are citing the location as a reason to attack the credibilit
28 Pacificjourney : RT514 you are obviously not keeping up with the news. It's no longer a 'war' it's now a 'policy initiative' ... which is pefectly fine.
29 Post contains images RT514 : It's no longer a 'war' it's now a 'policy initiative' ... which is pefectly fine. LOL! Thanks for the correction, Pacificjourney.
30 Post contains images Captoveur : I had been avoiding this thread because I knew it would be stupid, but KROC is right, this one has it coming
31 Banco : I don't understand why anyone would be in such denial about the possibility of atrocities being committed by troops. In such a situation it's always l
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