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User currently offlineUnited4EverDEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

First off, let me say, I am NOT racist nor do I have anything against blacks, but...

Today I took the PSAT, it qualifies you for scholarships and such. One thing though when we were filling out the info part of the test (name, date of birth, etc.) It said;

"If you are a black American, you are eligible for entry into the Merit Achievement Scholarship in addition to the Merit Academic Scholarship, which is open to all students. Please check below if you wish to participate."

Now tell me if I am wrong, but isn't that the same as saying to me, 'Eh, sorry, you were born white, so we are going to put you at a disadvantage because of that.'

Why should someone, just because of their skin color, have a chance that no one else has to become successful? I am truly thinking about taking this matter to the school admin and follow through as far as I have to go to get this changed.

Please don't bash me for my views, and the views of two other teachers I have backing me for this.

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User currently offlineEmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2123 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4679 times:

You have my support.

Mark



You and I were meant to fly, Air Canada!
User currently offlineDmeeky243 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4662 times:

Look around, you can get a scholarship for having an Irish heritage or being left-handed.


"I have a favorite dish, which tends to change daily depending on my mood, or whether I have a hangover, or whether it's
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

"Now tell me if I am wrong, but isn't that the same as saying to me, 'Eh, sorry, you were born white, so we are going to put you at a disadvantage because of that.' "

Actually its more like saying that you're born Asian and your scores are really high, so lets set quotas for your type. As recently as 1994, schools like Stanford and Princeton rejected Asian students with really high scores for black/hispanic kids with lower scores and white kids who could play sports.

So, if anyone should be complaining, its Mrs Chen and Mr Swaminathan. Yet, they don't and their kids do just fine in college.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17822 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4553 times:

"Why should someone, just because of their skin color, have a chance that no one else has to become successful? "

AMEN.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

First off, let me say, I am NOT racist nor do I have anything against blacks, but...

When I hear ANYONE say that, I pretty much assume that they are.



User currently offlineBFS From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 743 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

Falcon84,
It's too easy to say that. I used to agree with you but get a grip: if you are talking objectively about such a controversial topic such as race, sexuality, gender, religion, it's not a bad idea to set out from the beginning that you in no way discrimiate or judge blah blah blah, or else the automatic conclusion is that: This racist jerk wants to revoke scholarships for (insert 'deprived' group here).

It is a dangerous thing to assume anybody's stance on such subjects without knowing them, or at least hearing them state they oppose something which they cannot justify.

P.s. No offence Falcon84. This is not specifically aimed at you bud, its just one of those things that seem quite fashionable to say nowadays. It is ignorance and it bugs me immensely.


User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Look around, you can get a scholarship for having an Irish heritage or being left-handed.


Hmm, I'm both and no one came to me offering me money.  Confused


User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

That check box is not keeping you from becoming a merit-scholar, my brother took the PSAT today too and he mentioned that but didn't have any problem with it. Apparently it appears to me that you are keeping too closed of a mind towards what the box is acutally saying. A new study just came out showing that many kids don't apply for college aid even thought they qualify and do not go through with it even though they would probably be accepted. This is just trying to show african americans that they are not being left out in the scholarship program. After all, as a post said above, a study came out showing that African-americans do not do as well on these tests. You are taking this the wrong way. You don't need to bring this into a Supreme Court Case over whether the statement is right, that isn't need...."

If you are so into getting a scholarship, a statement on the PSAT isn't going to change your chances, sulking in the non-av forum isn't going to get you anywhere, applying will....
That is just my two cents

[Edited 2004-10-14
06:09:08]

[Edited 2004-10-14 06:12:16]

[Edited 2004-10-14 06:14:56]

User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

If you really have a problem with it, check the "black" box, and when they find out and withhold the money, take them to court for discrimination.


FSP


User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

If you really have a problem with it, check the "black" box, and when they find out and withhold the money, take them to court for discrimination.

You couldn't even get that to a court because you were lying in the first place, how is that showing that you are a person worthy a discount in college, the answer is it isn't....


User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2743 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

In Canada Aboriginal people get free schooling, so no I don't think it has gone to far yet, not until all black people get free university and such.

User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

In Canada Aboriginal people get free schooling, so no I don't think it has gone to far yet, not until all black people get free university and such.

Are you kidding???

No.. I believe you Dash, and I agree with what you've said.. if you think UA4EverDEN is pitching a bitch now... him and 3/4s of this board (and the Bush half of America) would go nuts crying foul!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Actually, the man makes a very good point. When I was going for all my scholarships, there were so many for blacks and all sorts of other ethnic groups/backgrounds..some were really obscure!

Now, why can't I, as a regular, American born white male, be entitled to a scolarship because I'm white? I think the NAACP would slap that down because it'd be 'racist'...but they can go ahead and have their little scholarships. You know, it boils down to the same reason why there isn't a "National White Pride Month" (The blacks have their own month), and why there isn't "White Entertainment Television" (the blacks have their own station too)......basically, it's a complete double standard. I can't take pride in the fact that I'm white, because I'd be labeled a KKK memeber..but the blacks can sure party their race up!

There's my .02..please, feel free to flame away, all you fellow white people.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Falcon84, you TOTALLY beat me to it. Hey, white guys (me included), think about all the inherent advantages you have before kicking in the one that minorities get.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11794 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

And another thing:

I am a native born citizen of the United States and second generation. I have paid my taxes and work for a living. I get very little from the government.

However, there are groups that are also native born in this country that get stuff handed to them on a sliver platter.

Go figure.

GO CANUCKS!!



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineLHMark From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4380 times:

Yo, Seb, drive through the ghetto some time and try to take a picture of one of those silver platters. I'd love to see it.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

LHMark, since when is the "ghetto" exclusive to people of color? Oh wait, the "white ghetto" is called a "Trailer Park"?!?!


It takes a bug to hit a windsheild but it takes guts to stick
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4350 times:

Now, why can't I, as a regular, American born white male, be entitled to a scolarship because I'm white? I think the NAACP would slap that down because it'd be 'racist'...but they can go ahead and have their little scholarships. You know, it boils down to the same reason why there isn't a "National White Pride Month" (The blacks have their own month), and why there isn't "White Entertainment Television" (the blacks have their own station too)......basically, it's a complete double standard. I can't take pride in the fact that I'm white, because I'd be labeled a KKK memeber..but the blacks can sure party their race up!

Now here's someone who might as wellbe a denizen of the slums of Papua New Guinea...absolutely 'beyond the shadow of a doubt' 100% ignorant of American History...spoken in his own words.

Whenever I see an American Indian.. I blank out all thoughts of the moment and pause... and ask myself 'my god...how do they do it?'

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

Ryan, I believe that hard work will carry you further than handouts. Besides, you can get scholarships for many things (many for being your average white, black, Asian, Arabic, Indian, male, female, liberal, conservative, gay, strait, etc etc etc etc Joe Schmoe). So what if the PSAT advertises one scholarship over another?

Why should someone, just because of their skin color, have a chance that no one else has to become successful?
Look, there are many ways to be "successful", but I doubt contempt jealousy is one of them. Look at this way; there are ways to be successful, regardless of skin color (or education for that matter). Bill Lear dropped out of High School and I think you know how the story goes from there. Henry Ford never had a "formal" education. The bottom line: don't get so wrapped up in all this equality bullshit that you forget to look for opportunities (like free college  Big grin).


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

OK so say for a moment that one agrees with this type of "positive" discrimination (and discrimination is what it is, no matter what kind of spin you put on it) - what is the statute of limitations on favouring a formerly disadvantaged minority after the period of disadvantagement (is that a word ?) is over ? 50 years ? 100 years ? There has to come a wonderful shining moment when the African American population in its entirety says to itself "Hey, look at us, we're doing OK - we don't need special programs any more. Lets give them to the Pacific Islanders instead ". Right ? Or is this just for ever and ever, I'm a minority, gimme gimme gimme ?

I'm all for social inclusion and equality of opportunity and treatment - but it has to be equal, otherwise where's the incentive ?


User currently offlineUAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Nosedive, well said! Life isn't fair, never has been never will be. If someone wants something bad enought, they'll figure out a way to get it regardless of race, sex, ect........


It takes a bug to hit a windsheild but it takes guts to stick
User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11794 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

LHMark:

That is what I am talking about. I grew up near an Indian Reservation. The largest group of homes looked like a ghetto. More than their fair share were alcoholics and never really did much with their life. *They* are choosing that. Some of them are trying to get something more than that for the whole tribe, which is noble. I am not against any notion that the were here first and the way the Europeans of the past took the land by force.

But, this is 2004. If things were so great in 1547, then by all means, they have every right to live that way. But, now, they can have education, health care and money, all from the government that stole from them. More that I am getting from the government that I was born into in the same year! What happened to equal rights?

GO CANUCKS!!



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

LHMark, since when is the "ghetto" exclusive to people of color? Oh wait, the "white ghetto" is called a "Trailer Park"?!?!

Funny, I didn't see LHMark say anything about the ghetto being "exclusive to people of color". I saw Mark listing one example. And before you go listing blacks or people that live in the ghetto as lazy, no job having slobs, you might want to open your eyes to the real world and see that for every skank sucking up welfare by popping out kids left and right, there are tons of hard working good people struggling every day to make ends meet. People that would rather keep 2 and 3 jobs rather than get welfare.

On to the topic, as already mentioned, if you have to preclude your statement with a disclaimer stating you are not a racist...you probably are. If in 2004 you still cannot figure out why Scholarships for blacks and such exist, maybe you can borrow ScottysAir's time machine and go back to the 1950's...cause thats where you belong. As previously mentioned a person can get a scholarship for just about anything. Oh, and for "Where's my White Pride Month" guy...I had no idea that us whites have been so oppressed for several hundreds of years, discriminated against, beaten and abused cause of the color of our skin that we need a month to get out our culture, our "message", etc. Give me a break. Take a look around "Crybaby White Guy"...your "white celebrations" are everywhere.

Oh, and its funny because I never seem to hear of a black guy complaining that he can't qualify for the Irish-American or the Italian-American or the Chinese-American Scholarships.


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5426 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

KROC - awesome post.

As for the NASP, way back when I was in this position, lo those six years ago, I was torn as to whether or not to fill in that bubble, considering I was, indeed, elligible for it. I decided not to based on the fact that I want my achievments to be associated with the fact that I'm an able individual, not that I happen to have been born biracial. Do I oppose the NASP? Not at all.

First of all, I believe you're overblowing the whole "chance that no one else has to become successful" angle. NASP, like the National Merit Scholarship Program, get awarded a single payment $2,500 scholarship. $2,500 is almost nothing when it comes to college costs these days. Mind you, I went to a fairly low-cost public school and it took 3 different scholarship sources and a part-time job to stay afloat.

Secondly, in terms of demographics, there are a lot more Caucasian students who take the PSAT than Black students. In 2002-2003, for instance, of roughly 1.3 million test-takers, only about 108,000 were Black. In choosing National Merit Scholars, then, there's a statistical bias towards Caucasian students. Having the National Achievement Scholarship Program and the National Hispanic Recognition Program (where there are even fewer numbers of Hispanics taking the test. Around 83,000 in '02-'03) levels out that playing field by lessening the chances of equally capable minority students fallING victim to that statistical bias.



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25 PROSA : If you really have a problem with it, check the "black" box, and when they find out and withhold the money, take them to court for discrimination. If
26 MaverickM11 : "If you really have a problem with it, check the "black" box, and when they find out and withhold the money, take them to court for discrimination." I
27 Rjpieces : When I hear ANYONE say that, I pretty much assume that they are. I second this..........And to an extent the same with "I'm not gay, but......"
28 MaverickM11 : Oh, and its funny because I never seem to hear of a black guy complaining that he can't qualify for the Irish-American or the Italian-American " Never
29 Post contains images MaverickM11 : "When I hear ANYONE say that, I pretty much assume that they are. I second this..........And to an extent the same with "I'm not gay, but......" " Tha
30 MaverickM11 : Speaking of minorities....is there a Latino/a equivalent of Jackson/Sharpton?
31 PROSA : Oh, and for "Where's my White Pride Month" guy...I had no idea that us whites have been so oppressed for several hundreds of years, discriminated agai
32 Pacificjourney : For all you sad white boys getting huffy about people making it to universities and jobs because of the colour of their skin I have 2 words .... legac
33 KROC : Are you saying that it's wrong to take pride in any sort of group affiliation unless that group has suffered oppression? That would mean, just as an e
34 NWA : What amazes me is that blacks would not have this problem if they just didn't check that box...it is optional. A black male that was born may 14th, 19
35 Garnetpalmetto : Its should be based on merits, not skin, sex, or anything. And in this case it is. The National Merit Scholarship Organization doesn't hand out Nation
36 PROSA : What I am saying is simply this. In our society today, with a white majority, where whites for the most part do not have to worry about NOT getting a
37 MD-90 : I think that the state should stop being racist and not classify anyone by race. But private groups and entities are perfectly within their rights to
38 PROSA : Legacy admissions are another case of typically clueless liberals whining about something they don't understand. Universities may admit a legacy with
39 MartinairYYZ : I'm with United4everDEN and Emirates345 on this matter, it is the opposite now! Makes me mad...... they think flip floping the slave thing will make t
40 David b. : First, Legacy admissions have nothing to do with "whining liberals or backwards neocons". Universities will let people in if they suit the universitie
41 MaverickM11 : "For all you sad white boys getting huffy about people making it to universities and jobs because of the colour of their skin I have 2 words .... lega
42 LHMark : Innercity schhols get MUCH MUCH MUCH more money than country schools like mine do, Go ask your parents how much they pay in school taxes in their fine
43 Post contains links Nancy : http://www.nationalmerit.org/about.html They are a private organization: they can give money to whomever they want. You want a scholarship for white p
44 Srbmod : For the past few years, the University of Georgia has been trying to attract black students to the school. This tells you how successful it has been,
45 David b. : Because many "educated" liberals see the destruction of white history and heritage as something that needs to be done. Revisionist history doesn't rig
46 Garnetpalmetto : Because many "educated" liberals see the destruction of white history and heritage as something that needs to be done. Revisionist history doesn't rig
47 Airbus3801 : And in this case it is. The National Merit Scholarship Organization doesn't hand out National Achievment Scholarships simply by virtue of being Black
48 MaverickM11 : " those programs are there for a reason. " Not any good reason though... I'd support them if they actually were successful in creating change in minor
49 Captoveur : I recently took on the Office Space I don't give a shit mentality. I now check the Black box every time something to do with school offers it up. I ha
50 PROSA : LHMark - Newsflash, affirmative action is a controversial topic that is far from being universally accepted. Therefore, equating opposition to affirma
51 Captoveur : Apparently wanting equal rights instead of special rights makes someone racist.
52 KROC : While I'm not ready to lump Captoveur in with teh rest of the crew, LHMark just went yard. Maverick, there is no point in even trying to discuss this
53 PROSA : Maverick, there is no point in even trying to discuss this with you. I bet you were disappointed in the movie "Bad Boys II" when Will Smith and Martin
54 LHMark : Sorry about the vehemence of last night's post, guys. I'm doing this article on Karoke, and it means i have to go to karaoke bars. I hate karaoke, but
55 KROC : I never said anything about being for or against Affirmative Action...BUT to simply dismiss the reasons why programs like AA exist IS racist.
56 Mdsh00 : I haven't had a chance to read all the replies but my take on AA is this. I don't like it for two reasons (especially when it comes to college admissi
57 SSTjumbo : Time for me to say something meaningful. First off, I'm currently against affirmative action as it stands today. I think the premise is correct, you w
58 PROSA : There has to be a system of AA based on economic factors. That way, a poor white or asian would have the same opportunity as a poor african-american o
59 VonRichtofen : "Fortunately the US is one of, if not the most, progressive society in terms of race relations" Not quite, given that the US is the most prosperous co
60 Sleekjet : Someone tell me why there is still a United Negro College Fund.
61 Mdsh00 : Applicants who are white are ineligible, period; applicants who are non-white are eligible, period. Not quite. I know that in Medical school admission
62 VonRichtofen : "Care to talk about issues in France with the headscarf ban?" How is that a race relation issue?
63 Garnetpalmetto : Someone tell me why there is still a United Negro College Fund. To help raise money for the general scholarship funds of historically Black colleges.
64 Mdsh00 : How is that a race relation issue? Replace race with religion and its basically the same thing as a race "war". In the minds of Muslims in France, the
65 VonRichtofen : France is a secular (sp?) society. In fact a good number of muslims in France support the headscarf ban. In a truly equal society you can't have excep
66 Post contains images PROSA : Applicants who are white are ineligible, period; applicants who are non-white are eligible, period. Not quite. I know that in Medical school admission
67 Mdsh00 : France is a secular (sp?) society. In fact a good number of muslims in France support the headscarf ban. In a truly equal society you can't have excep
68 Post contains images Gregjet : If you are mad because blacks get a little head start yous should just lose your mind about native americans because they can go 4 free
69 Captoveur : Is someone of pasty-white, Dutch ancestory, from South Africa, who moves to the US an Afro-American? Whatever happened to admissions based on Merit? I
70 VSLover : If you are mad because blacks get a little head start yous should just lose your mind about native americans because they can go 4 free care to elabor
71 Post contains images JGPH1A : Re: Is someone of pasty-white, Dutch ancestory, from South Africa, who moves to the US an Afro-American? By any sensible reckoning, they should be. Ch
72 BN747 : By any sensible reckoning, they should be. Chances are that person's ancestors arrived in Africa before the ancestors of most Afro-Americans left Afri
73 JGPH1A : Re: Your HO is B.O.G.U.S.... the 1st enslavement of black Africans began in America around 1619 and expanded from that point on. If you care to notice
74 Solnabo : Forgive me my ignorance, but wasn´t it 40 years ago this "intergration act" was signed by LBJ? Dont know how the life of afro-americans are today. St
75 Captoveur : "Forgive me my ignorance, but wasn´t it 40 years ago this "intergration act" was signed by LBJ?" I think that was doing away with what was known as "
76 BN747 : Chances are that person's ancestors arrived in Africa before the ancestors of most Afro-Americans left Africa as slaves. First.. they'd be Africans ..
77 SESGDL : Doesn't all affirmative action apply to Latinos as well? I'd like to know why black people have been singled out in this post. Anyway, besides that, I
78 JGPH1A : If you trace (for example) the paternal ancestory of every Afro-American, what percentage will be able to trace their ancestry back to the slaves who
79 MaverickM11 : "Doesn't all affirmative action apply to Latinos as well?" Affirmative action applies to everyone that is not a white male.
80 Captoveur : "but black people still have a higher poverty level, still live in more crumbling neighborhoods than white people, and have less opportunities than wh
81 MaverickM11 : "Anyway, besides that, I'd like to just point out that it's NOT an equal opportunity for blacks as some people might think. Sure it's equal from a leg
82 SESGDL : "Much of that is self imposed. If you are convinced you are inferior and cannot get ahead, you can't. No amount of handouts will change that." Since w
83 BN747 : Jeremy: "but black people still have a higher poverty level, still live in more crumbling neighborhoods than white people, and have less opportunities
84 L-188 : Anybody besides me wish for the day that there are just 'Rights' In no particular order Not Native American rights Not black rights Not gay rights Not
85 SESGDL : L-188, Well keep wishing, cause with a society where it's not equal you have to give certain people special rights, and society will never be equal. T
86 Captoveur : BN747, as usual your heart bleeds more than the average bleeding heart liberal. If your biggest goal in life is to get pants that sag to your knees an
87 BN747 : well StartOuevr, your masterful command of stereotypes (yes I remember the chinese girl story) explains why you prefer the easy way out as oppose to a
88 PROSA : Doesn't all affirmative action apply to Latinos as well? Consider the notorious case of the Liberman family. Back in the early 1980's (the rules haven
89 Captoveur : Ok fine then BN747, you refuse to open your eyes and look at the average black kid growing up in an urban setting, fine. You can donate your entire in
90 MaverickM11 : "If you want to teach at one of these Universities you should be able to speak the language fluently. " If only that was a requirement for my Engineer
91 Captoveur : Exactly my point Maverick. Why are our universities being taken over by outsiders? I am all for employing legal immigrants and minorities but Universi
92 MD-90 : I have no idea why Univeristies continue to hire these people. The problem seems to actually be getting worse, and it is really hard to make the marke
93 Captoveur : Because Americans that go to public schools come out of them with diminished mental capacities. That's for damn sure... The spoonfeeding that goes on
94 BN747 : A family friend happens to be black, he is college educated, makes probably over 100k a year, and his son used to make good grades in high school, unt
95 Garnetpalmetto : Because Americans that go to public schools come out of them with diminished mental capacities. BS. Pure, unadulterated BS. I know quite a few product
96 Post contains links MD-90 : Tell it to the homeschooled, Garnetpalmetto. Here's an excellent curriculum, the likes of which you can't find in ANY public school in the US. http://
97 Captoveur : "I know plenty of individuals who graduated from my high school who work in politics, finance, law, nongovernmental institutions, etc." Lets put them
98 Garnetpalmetto : Here's an excellent curriculum, the likes of which you can't find in ANY public school in the US. http://www.robinsoncurriculum.com/ *Yawn* This guy i
99 BN747 : Hey BN747, believe what you want, but while you have your head in the sand lemme know if you find better examples of the average black, urban, teenage
100 PROSA : If your biggest goal in life is to get pants that sag to your knees and wear the latest UNC jersey, a rag on your head, and buy huge jewlery and a new
101 Post contains images SESGDL : "Now his kid wears pants that hang to his knees, wears the latest basketball jerseys, and blew any hope he had of a decent future when he decided to g
102 SESGDL : Anyone care to respond? Jeremy
103 Mia : Hey man I went through the same PSAT and its so funny how its only the white kids at my school that complained. You dont complain when a system favors
104 MaverickM11 : " but when a black person has an extra chance" Let's say your at a hospital in the maternity unit and you see three newborn babies: a black, an asian,
105 Captoveur : Which one of the three deserves 'an extra chance'? According to the affirmative action crowd the black one does, regardless of whose parents make mor
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