KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1598 times:
If that was me, I would have tried to run him over. If i could not get an angle to plow over his ass, I would have looked for some type of a weapon in my car and gotten out with it. If nothing could double as a decent weapon, and I could not run him over, or get away and he was pounding the shit out of my rig, I'd risk it, get out and bet on the fact that he is a freakin wack job that I could get the upper hand on him as he wouldn't be expecting someone to fight back.
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Frenchpilot From France, joined Aug 2004, 83 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1555 times:
Is that for real?????? What the hell is that f*cking crackhead about??????
Why does the world has those useless people just wasting the precious damn O2 ........ HURG makes me mad
[Edited 2004-10-14 20:42:56]
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Qb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1476 times:
The whole concept of legitimate defense is to defend yourself in a manner that is reasonnable, considering the harm that is done, or about to be done, to you. If a guy slaps me in the face, I can slap him back, but I cannot kill him.
In that case, killing him is not legitimate defense, as he was just vendalizing a car and he didn't seem to attack directly the lady in the car. I think the lady acted in the best possible manner under the circumstances.
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David b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1470 times:
Killing him or running him over would seem like best thing to do, however, remember that he is not harming the person, therefore, it is illegal in most states to kill the jerk.
NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1464 times:
The whole concept of legitimate defense is to defend yourself in a manner that is reasonnable, considering the harm that is done, or about to be done, to you.
That's correct. Therefore, if one feels that another is putting his/her life in danger, fatal force should be justified.
If a guy slaps me in the face, I can slap him back, but I cannot kill him.
A slap to the face is not a danger to life. A guy coming at you with a weapon is.
he was just vendalizing a car and he didn't seem to attack directly the lady in the car
Yeah, but he could've easily hit the lady in the car. The lady didn't know if he was going to hit her or not. One hit with a crow bar like that can kill you easily, that's why I would've shot him.
Avt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2131 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1463 times:
And, the whole gun control argument starts all over again. A guy smashes your car, and you would kill him for it? I wouldn't hesitate to hit him with my car, not back over him and kill him, or anything, but the availability of guns can turn a property damage incident into manslaughter. He didn't attack the driver. Don't think I'm defending this idiot, but any lawyer will say what I have above.
If it was me, alone in the car as in this case, I'd have taken off too. Why risk your life fighting some big, obviously insane black guy over damage to your car which insurance will pay for anyway? Drive half a block away, call the cops and follow the nutcase if he runs. It's just a car,people. BTW, Ihope this video nails this guy to the wall, and his accomplice the the (probably) stolen video camera.
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7673 posts, RR: 19 Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1454 times:
The actions that you can take in self-defense are not on a one-for-one basis. If a man slapped you in the face putting a few 9mm rounds into his chest would likely not be seen as self-defense.
But in the case with this crackhead, or whatever he is high on (I cannot phathom to think what sober adult would do that), the use of deadly force would, in my mind, be justified. In effect the attack on the property, the car, is in effect an attack on the person.
With an individual as violent and unpredicatable as he is, I would not want to confront him solo without a firearm and some decent firearm training. A situation like this makes you respect cops who often have to deal with crazy violent people as a part of their job.
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NWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1429 times:
I agree with Desertjets.
Let me make one thing clear.
I would never kill a person just for smashing up my car, ever.
But this situation is far different. We have this guy, obviously hopped up on something, and he has a crow bar and he uses it as a weapon.
Now, whenever you have somebody with a weapon, smashing in the windows of your vehicle while you're inside, that's a threat to your life, because you don't really know whether he wants to harm you or not, you just know he has a weapon, and he's after you or your property. That can easily be seen as a threat to your life.
Ryangooner From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 969 posts, RR: 25 Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1366 times:
Its clear by the video his intent is only to damage the car (albeit in a dangerous threatening way). To justify killing someone over that (with a gun) is insane.
I think in this instance if you had a gun in the car the best course of action would have been to have run him over and leave the gun in the glove box!
You would have had more of a defence by running into him than shooting him.
I dont think this was staged, it looked real to me and was just another crazy look at me and what i can do piece of crap, although i was interested to see that he had to pick the placed crowbar up rather than already have it on him from start - maybe it was staged? who knows!
theres some lovely people in this world ! I even had a gun pulled on me last week- great! (not)
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