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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

Well, USC (university of southern california) paid the bastard $50,000 to show up at USC and give a speech.

About 7000 people (average estimate) showed up to see him talk.

I did not realize how much this guy hates President Bush. Yes I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 and yes obviously he makes fun of Bush but tonight he was just going crazy on the guy!

He showed us about a dozen 30 second videos called "Vote for Bush"

One of them goes as follows:

"Senator Kerry used to have long hair

*shows picture of Kerry in the 1970s*.

Now he has short hair

*shows a picture of him now*

There is only one word for this:

FLIP-FLOPPER!

Vote Bush *shows american flag upside down*"

and then another one that I happen to remember...something to do with this guy being Kerry's number one supporter. The guy has only one arm and no legs and michael moore was playing on it by saying "kerry's supporter is this guy...he lost one arm and both legs in combat. if he really loved his country, he would have given his remaining arm. is this the kind of person you want in washington?"

I think Michael Moore is a great film maker, but the reason that I don't like him is as follows.

Even if I had an idiot for my president, I am a believer in the 'my country, right or wrong' attitude and I have no respect for someone like him that goes around proclaiming the world that my country has a complete halfwit for a president.

but just thought i'd share the fact that i have seen the guy in person now!


PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
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User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

Michael Moore is very anti-American, even towards the liberals. What's funny, is he enjoys the freedoms and the rights that give him the ability to speak so fragrantly about politics and say the things about the United States. Seriously, if the man really hates it here so much, go somewhere else. But in all honesty, I don't really believe he truly feels the way he does about the US. I think he is just using shock factor and propaganda to get people to watch his films. Bowling for Columbine was pretty good, but the 9/11 movie was SOOOO over the edge. I turned it off half-way through and put in "Soul Plane" instead LOL.

UAL747


User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Michael Moore is very anti-American

Is it possible to be critical of Bush without being called "anti-American"?



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Is it possible to be critical of Bush without being called "anti-American"?

It is. But if you read that opening sentence of UAL747, he included that he is overtly harsh on Democrats too. I tend to agree with some of that. I am a Kerry supporter but I'm not too crazy about Moore. To me the guy looks like he needs one of Captoveur's Obsession perfumes.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Qb001,

No, I'm not saying he's anti-american because of his Bush bashing. Quite the contrary. If you study his films, he basically finds EVERYTHING in America wrong, and has some weird affection for Canada. Dunno. Like I said, he's using shock value, and baseless propaganda for his own agenda, which is to make money. These movies of his are so crazy, they draw people in to see what he is going to say next. Hell, I wanted to see his movie so badly, when they were out of it on DVD at Blockbuster, I went and bought a VHS Player just so I could see it. It's anti-government, anti-American, and anti-American people at it's best/worst.

UAL747


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

The admiration a country deserves is directly proportional to its ability to live with its most acerbic critics.

It was once a prime reason to admire the USA.


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1943 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Look, I think Michael Moore often goes too far, and then he ends up working against himself, but...

AirxLiban: Even if I had an idiot for my president, I am a believer in the 'my country, right or wrong' attitude and I have no respect for someone like him that goes around proclaiming the world that my country has a complete halfwit for a president.

Nothing personal, but can anyone explain what possible justification there is for "My country right or wrong"? To me it has always seemed the worst possible slogan and idea. Along with its variants--"My religion right or wrong," "my family right or wrong," etc.--it has probably been the most descructive idea in human history.

The "wrong" part of the expression says it all. Why should allegiance to any group override our morals?

Furthermore, the same people in America right now who are most ra-ra about how you should never question your country or leader (i.e. US/Bush) are also the most critical of people in the Middle East or Chechnya who are perpetrating suicide attacks. (They call these people animals, lesser forms of life, etc.) But it seems to me these ultra-patriotic Americans ARE THE VERY SAME PEOPLE whose "My leader/cause right or wrong" mentality, had they been born in Iraq or Palestine, or wherever else, would make them first in line to strap on some dynamite and blow themselves up in a public place if the leader they happened to follow encouraged it.

Just my two cents, but this mentality has a lot to do with perpetuating cycles of violence and wars in general, whether it is family honor, religious honor, national honor, etc. Let's start focusing on making our country "right," not on following even if it is wrong!

People like Michael Moore (whether or not you agree with him, and sometimes I don't) show the rest of the world that not all Americans are sheep following Bush, that millions of us have taken to the streets to protest the war in Iraq, etc. How is that bad for our image? It shows that we can have morals and think for ourselves.



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineUal747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

BTW, I recommend the South Beach diet for Michael Moore. Come on man, nobody wants to look at your fat ass for 2 hours. And buddy, it's called a Bic Razor. Shave that pubic hair off your face.

Maybe he should do a film on America's tendancy to obesity. Then he would have to spend so much money on finding people to harass.

UAL747


User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Michael Moore single handedly made McDonald's a Fortune 500 company  Wink/being sarcastic


Go big or go home
User currently offlineNceBoy From France, joined Sep 2004, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

I think you have to be non-american to understand how much MM loves his country. Most people in Europe doesn't like his movie because they find them to be pro-american.

However, you were lucky to be able to attend one of those "Salcker Uprising tour" meeting, and I envy you.

Politics is about sharing your toughts and your points of view. Republicans and GWB have all the medias relaying their lies, and much more campain money. If Kerry victory have to be won by getting to each american door and in each american university, let's Michael Moore do so. He has the right to fight for his country, in order to make it a better and safer place without W.

And if all you guys have agains't him is to tell him to make a diet, well, he won't have lost his time during those months, but you'll have only posting this on this forum...



coz I'm leaving on a jetplane !
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Even if I had an idiot for my president, I am a believer in the 'my country, right or wrong' attitude and I have no respect for someone like him that goes around proclaiming the world that my country has a complete halfwit for a president.

Nothing personal, but can anyone explain what possible justification there is for "My country right or wrong"? To me it has always seemed the worst possible slogan and idea. Along with its variants--"My religion right or wrong," "my family right or wrong," etc.--it has probably been the most descructive idea in human history.

What I mean is that regardless of how inept one's president is, as long as the government is not corrupt it is disrespectful to go out of one's way to expose the your dirty laundry.

I don't mean to say that you should back your country, family, religion whatever for the wrong reasons, I just feel as though going to such extremes to bash it is not constructive.



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineDash8King From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 2742 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

I really think he is just pointing things out so they can be improved. I really don't think he hates his country.

User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

If I made that kind of money "pointing things out" I would probably end up going nuts too.  Big grin


LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Michael Moore single handedly made McDonald's a Fortune 500 company


Another shameful right wing lie.




Michael Moore eats at Burger King. If you read his books you would know that...


User currently offlineNorth County From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2531 times:


I think he might become this decade's "Pet Rock"


User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2474 times:

Whitehatter:

He eats at Burger King. Then 15 minutes later you'll find him at McDonalds. Then Wendy's, White Castle, Sonic and Fatburger. All before noon.



"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

Michael Moore is on one long orgasm against Bush and that's pretty obvious. But like all orgasms, it will come to an end very quickly.

Then what will Moore have? A clump of slightly wet kleenex in his hand?

Probably.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Michael Moore ROCKS!!!! Literally...but he's also one cool fat dude!

BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineCommander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

It was once a prime reason to admire the USA.

Once?

Shows you what you know about our freedom of expression and what our country is really all about.

Hope you understand...some day.



User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Let Mr Moore make moore films about the US Govt. and let us ROTFLOAO in the rest of the world...............

Way to go Michael  Big thumbs up

Michael/SE



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21554 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Shows you what you know about our freedom of expression and what our country is really all about.

To be honest, political-wise, there isn't that much useful freedom of expression anymore. Bush has said that we are free to say what we think, but that it won't matter one bit in the decisions he makes. It kind of ruins the whole "the people are involved in the government" thing. It's more than just electing our leaders. It's having our leaders actually care what we think. It's nice to be able to speak our mind about it, but even en masse, what can we do except vote them out in a few years, after which they go on to become millionaire consultants or lobbyists? They don't really have much to lose. Kind of ruins the fun of having those freedoms.




7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

In regards to the initial post, didn't Moore say that "Americans are the stupidest people I've ever met"? I guess he proves his point with his political sports-entertainment in America.  Insane

User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Another shameful right wing lie.

Michael Moore eats at Burger King. If you read his books you would know that...


You do have a sense of humour, right? Surely you're able to laugh at the people you admire or respect - as well as the ones you don't - without getting this defensive about it....



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineImonti From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

He is fat, and manipulative, the stupidity police should arrest him.

"he distorts facts"

There were no allies for the war on Iraq, he just left out England, Poland, Spain, Australia, South Korea, some asian country and I think Japan.

wasnt there a post some where that said, in iraq didnt comply with un sanctions then france had like 10000 troops ready for deployment.

So Michael go tell fibs some where else.

Secondly how he plays on peoples conscience is terrible.

I lost my son in Iraq, didnt your husband, two elder sons and your ftaher and grand father do their naional service? Um sorry to tell you but in wars people die, and any one who joined the armed forces after 9/11 should have been able to see war was inevitable, and if you couldnt then you shouldnt be in the gene pool.


User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

You do have a sense of humour, right? Surely you're able to laugh at the people you admire or respect - as well as the ones you don't - without getting this defensive about it....

well you obviously don't...


25 Post contains images Klaus : Imonti: and any one who joined the armed forces after 9/11 should have been able to see war was inevitable, and if you couldnt then you shouldnt be in
26 Ltbewr : At times, Michael Moore can be brillant, yet at many times, a complete ass. His attacks upon corporate greed in 'Roger and Me', American politics in '
27 Post contains links TYSGoVols : Set aside the blatant lies Moore tells. http://www.moorewatch.com/ He is unAmerican. No not just because he is a Liberal. Because he is a wacko. He ca
28 Imonti : Klaus who is to say I was refering to Iraq, people did die in Afghanistan and still are. Yet was there not a feeling in the air that there would be mo
29 Imonti : I was hoping to write a book entitled "stupid fat man" but then i realised why waste my effort on this retard.
30 Copaair737 : TYS- So if you are liberal, you are Un-American? Jesus dude, talk about distorted views, look at your own. If you are critical of the government, you
31 TYSGoVols : THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID. Liberal does not mean un-American, read what I wrote again and this time try to put bias aside. I wonder have you even questi
32 Copaair737 : here is a quote from your post TYS: "He is unAmerican. No not just because he is a Liberal." JUST being the key word here. So, you are saying liberals
33 TYSGoVols : Three words here OUT OF CONTEXT, the just refers to that not being the reason not just because he is I then went on to give the reason he is un Americ
34 Copaair737 : Sorry, Just in there is like saying "I hate that bastard Joe, no not just because he cheated me out of some cash, but he's been beating his wife." So,
36 Whitehatter : BR715 Your first cartoon just proves that people who scream rabidly at Moore for being un-American are un-American themselves. Fredom of speech is ens
37 BR715-A1-30 : Call me Un-American if you will, but I call this place home. I was born here, and I exercise my rights to the best of my abilities. If I dislike the c
38 L-188 : What is unamerican about called Moore what his is. A fat, socialist, psuedo-euro, lying peice of Explative deleted.
39 SlamClick : "Michael Moore eats at Burger King. If you read his books you would know that..." That is because he got embarassed watching the numbers change on the
40 Post contains images Jcs17 : Goddamnit, I agree with UAL747. Someone get me a rope. The funny thing about Michael Moore's "little" problem with obesity is that he's now making a m
41 LH423 : Most people in Europe doesn't like his movie because they find them to be pro-american. NceBoy: If Europeans truly believe this than a) Cannes was a h
42 Post contains images Klaus : Imonti: Klaus who is to say I was refering to Iraq, people did die in Afghanistan and still are. Yet was there not a feeling in the air that there wou
43 777236ER : He'd make so much more of a point were he to be more subtle! Vague accusations linking Bush to the Saudi royal family are nothing but sensationalist b
44 Jasepl : Whatever one might think of him, or his politics, you can't deny people do actually want to see what he makes. How else would his movies, especially F
45 EA CO AS : I really think he is just pointing things out so they can be improved. Unless he suggests a solution, isn't he still just part of the problem? Michael
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